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ORIGINAL: Raverdave
WiTP has move so far fowared from UV that it is no longer a case of simply "porting" an ungrade across from WiTP to UV.
ORIGINAL: Becket
ORIGINAL: freeboy
it really is a mute point.
Or maybe it really should have been? [:D]
Kidding! I couldn't help it!
I do hate those mute points, though, it's always so hard to understand to know what they are talking about.
I...I can't stop..!!!
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Your attitude in this matter is refreshingly old fashioned..., pride in your product.
As I said in the Dev forum a long time back when the word "patch" came up ... "that is demoralizing, it means we failed as a team."
It is really a pleasure working with 2by3. Even when they say they can't get something fixed they go off and fix it anyways. Just in the last week when we were all set for gold, Mike came along and completely gutted the TF routines and redid them from scratch. It caused a couple of major bugs and shook things up, but the end result is the odds on anything going wrong in "your" game is greatly reduced because it was done.
I was scratching my head wondering how insane these guys were to make such a large change at this late state, but it just shows how committed they are to getting it right no matter what.
While you might not be super happy because your favorite "XYZ" is not in the database, you will not be screaming because the game crashes on you every 15 minutes of order entry. This game can take you working for 24 hours entering in orders. It is *that* stable. "XYZ" can be dealt with in the editor, crashes can not.
ORIGINAL: 2Stepper
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
As I said in the Dev forum a long time back when the word "patch" came up ... "that is demoralizing, it means we failed as a team."
Nah, I wouldn't take it that way Frag. Though I can understand how you might... The community of people that buy wargames and games in general are almost "pre-programmed" to expect that SOMETHING will be amiss at release time because those that developed it were under a tight schedule. Then patches would follow...
While that's a sad story of the industry it's equally sad that most of us out here have gotten used to it. It is VERY refreshing to know that Matrix took the time and effort to make a great product that we all could enjoy... I'm sure it'll be a gem out of the box... and with regards to patches? Heck I'd just look at them as "developmental improvements". [:D]
I mean really, who ever said you can't improve upon perfection? [;)][8D]
ORIGINAL: freeboy
In a nutshell you make your error,"settle for playable .." no person in this forum wants a playable beta as the final product. I would not expect to "settle " for anything associated with matrix or 2by3. Calling me a dolt or selfish is your liberty, yet in a game that one player stated took 12 hours to input his first turn I will probably play many first turns just trying to "get it right". So my month of waiting, or however long it takes, days or weeks? This time really could be spent learning the nuts and bolts of what we all expect to be a fine game. As for myself it’s about learning and having fun. Do you really think it would hurt the game to be released imperfectly? Maybe it should be tested another year or two then? Ludicrous I know but these issues are not black and white, and while you seemingly want a flawless product I know there is no such thing.. ever. This is not a selfish proposition as you stated, in no way does releasing the game in its current form hurt the game or gaming community, neither matrix nor 2by3 are planning this so it really is a mute point.
ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
ORIGINAL: freeboy
In a nutshell you make your error,"settle for playable .." no person in this forum wants a playable beta as the final product. I would not expect to "settle " for anything associated with matrix or 2by3. Calling me a dolt or selfish is your liberty, yet in a game that one player stated took 12 hours to input his first turn I will probably play many first turns just trying to "get it right". So my month of waiting, or however long it takes, days or weeks? This time really could be spent learning the nuts and bolts of what we all expect to be a fine game. As for myself it’s about learning and having fun. Do you really think it would hurt the game to be released imperfectly? Maybe it should be tested another year or two then? Ludicrous I know but these issues are not black and white, and while you seemingly want a flawless product I know there is no such thing.. ever. This is not a selfish proposition as you stated, in no way does releasing the game in its current form hurt the game or gaming community, neither matrix nor 2by3 are planning this so it really is a mute point.
Well, in the commercial business software world, software often remains in beta for a year to 18 months or more before released into production. The idea that commercial software is released with only a month or so of beta is actually a bit scary to me.....
ORIGINAL: freeboy
hey zoom80 this game has been in BETA for months, where did you get the one month from... I said in this last month several forum members have expressed..[>:][>:]
so.. maybe we will see this game soon.. if no new bugs show up
ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
ORIGINAL: freeboy
In a nutshell you make your error,"settle for playable .." no person in this forum wants a playable beta as the final product. I would not expect to "settle " for anything associated with matrix or 2by3. Calling me a dolt or selfish is your liberty, yet in a game that one player stated took 12 hours to input his first turn I will probably play many first turns just trying to "get it right". So my month of waiting, or however long it takes, days or weeks? This time really could be spent learning the nuts and bolts of what we all expect to be a fine game. As for myself it’s about learning and having fun. Do you really think it would hurt the game to be released imperfectly? Maybe it should be tested another year or two then? Ludicrous I know but these issues are not black and white, and while you seemingly want a flawless product I know there is no such thing.. ever. This is not a selfish proposition as you stated, in no way does releasing the game in its current form hurt the game or gaming community, neither matrix nor 2by3 are planning this so it really is a mute point.
Well, in the commercial business software world, software often remains in beta for a year to 18 months or more before released into production. The idea that commercial software is released with only a month or so of beta is actually a bit scary to me.....
You just have to trust the gods of wargames Joel Billings and Gary Grigsby. I have owned and played just about every game these 2 have been involved in. They have my complete trust.
Freeboy,
WITP has only been in Beta testing for a little over a month. Alpha testing for months.
But it was very good Alpha testing.
)ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
Well, I;ve rewritten almost every Grigsby game I've gotten the source code to over the years, including PACWAR to fix a litany of bugs and AI stupidity.....
ORIGINAL: GBirkn
ORIGINAL: ZOOMIE1980
Well, I;ve rewritten almost every Grigsby game I've gotten the source code to over the years, including PACWAR to fix a litany of bugs and AI stupidity.....
I didn't know they released the source code! What sort of a license is it under? Are there any plans to release the code to UV, so we can contribute some help that might eventually find its way into WITP?
