OT: 5 million black berets

USMCGrunt · Post by **USMCGrunt** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 8:18 am

Originally posted by KG Erwin:
I'm curious. Where can I find pictures of the new Marine cammies? I went to the official USMC web site, BUT, I think I'd be a little old for a recruit. Nice flash intro, though. They can try recruiting my daughter in about 14 years.

KG,

There are some good pictures at this site: http://www.tecom.usmc.mil/mcub/utility/UtesPicsAll.htm

Or, do a search on new Marine Corps uniform. I got about 300 sites back.

murx · Post by **murx** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 8:05 pm

Is it me or does the hat shown on the link look ugly, non-military and stupid ??? I don't like hats anyway ...

And for the Desert Camo - uh, is the jacket a bit too long ?? The Woodland Camo seems to be the proper length...

And has the Desert Camo guy big feet ??? Or is he wearing canoes for shoes ...

Ah, and one last thing - the guy with the M16 (buttom left picture of the first nine) - why is Private Stupid unable to hold his rifle properly ? The belt (or however it is named properly in English) of his rifle hangs down like two feet and might catch anything up to the size of a tree when he tries to move through a forrest (probably getting him down to the ground)...

murx

KG Erwin · Post by **KG Erwin** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 8:07 pm

Thanks, USMC Grunt. I'll check it out. BTW, I sent an e-mail to Dave Hackworth, extending an invitation to the forum, just to make a brief comment on the games or whatever. This was his reply:"thx but busy finishing a book. got to pass. Hack"
. Well, at least I tried. Maybe we should try to get some other notables to make an appearance here. It would be interesting, and a great plug for Matrix and this forum. Personally, I would love for Jim Dunnigan to give a brief review of SPWaW. Any thoughts on this?

CaptainBrian · Post by **CaptainBrian** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 4:18 am

Originally posted by murx:
Is it me or does the hat shown on the link look ugly, non-military and stupid ??? I don't like hats anyway ... ;)murx

Can't be any less military looking than that most un-military appearing of headgear, the beret. Plus who cares what it looks like as long as it's functional.

KG Erwin · Post by **KG Erwin** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 10:52 am

Pardon me for saying, but the new Marine camo scheme looks a lot like some of the Waffen SS combat uniforms of WWII vintage. I know we adopted the "Fritz" helmet years ago, so I think it's pretty cool. The Germans always had a great fashion style for the military, well, apart from the old Pickelhaube helmets of WWI.

harrymc · Post by **harrymc** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 2:30 pm

I couldn't let this one go by. I am an active duty INFANTRY NCO in the US Army and I have heard all these arguments before. I served in the FRG along the wall and I saw plenty of black berets then. I have nothing but high regard for my brothers in the ranger, airborne and special forces branches. They do the dirty work no one else wants, BUT, it's only a hat. The chief says we will wear it so we will. He probably should have chosen a different color but he didn't, so we will wear it proudly as we should. As for the berets being made in PRC, that is a politicol matter that must be addressed in congress, we in the military will do as ordered as always. I don't think that twenty years from now anyone will even remember why there was such a flap over a hat anyway, no one remembers the controversy over BDU's when they came out in the early 80's do they?

murx · Post by **murx** » Sun Apr 08, 2001 11:50 pm

Berrets not military, uhm, might be from the US point of view as they haven't used them widely till now... but hats remind me of the Wild West (movies mainly) - and the (non)military behavior of those desperados and a miliatary organisation don't go well together (at least in my view of things).
murx

CaptainBrian · Post by **CaptainBrian** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 2:23 am

Originally posted by murx:
Berrets not military, uhm, might be from the US point of view as they haven't used them widely till now... but hats remind me of the Wild West (movies mainly) - and the (non)military behavior of those desperados and a miliatary organisation don't go well together (at least in my view of things).
murx

What breaks up and disrupts the outline of a person's head more, a beret or a wide-brimmed, floppy hat?

Think, it might be a new experience

As far as the "Wild West" comparison... That is the most ludicrous example to date of your ridiculous and pathetic stabs at the United States. If you are going to be critical, we have enough real faults and shortcomings for you to pick on

Be a little more creative and realistic in the future.

Akmatov · Post by **Akmatov** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 8:09 pm

Can't resist a comment on Hackworth. I'll never forget watching him during Desert Shield pontificate about how the US Army was going to get its butt kicked by the 'battle hardened' better equipped Iraqi army because the Army had had the gall to purchase armored equipment he didn't endorse. Then he had the balls to explain after the victory that the Army had since his original broadcast, like 2 months before, shipped out completely new equipment to completely replace all the armor in Saudi. Right like that was even possilbe, they were scrambling like hell just to get the heavy stuff over there one time. The guy may have been a fine officer once, he certainly claimed to have been one - don't know the facts personally, but from what I can see he became a bitter, angry fruitcake.

Grumble · Post by **Grumble** » Mon Apr 09, 2001 9:07 pm

Akmatov,
Shack, bro. Earlier in this thread I posted about how fans of his, (admittedly I used to be one) conveniently forgot about his bitching over the M1, M2/3 and HMMWV. More alarming was his attacks on a Navy Admiral implying he was wearing decorations he wasn't entitled to-untrue once the facts were discovered.
I also believe he's now just a bitter curmudgeon.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 12:03 am

Hmmm.... I think some of the guys in the upper part of this topic take it a bit too serious, where the berets are produced.
In my eyes thats the damn last thing, a soldier has to worry about.
And perhaps you should take care of getting back on mother earth again. Its not "the good Americans" against the "red menace" from far-east anymore.
We really dont need WW3.
And perhaps you should take a look at what good points communism or better socialism contains. The idea is very good, just the execution...

KG Erwin · Post by **KG Erwin** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 6:18 am

Akmatov, have you read any of Col. Hackworth's books? I would highly recommend you reading "About Face", and then reconsidering your opinion. Yikes, I sound like a Hackworth defender, and for better or worse, I guess I am, DESPITE the Admiral Boorda incident. I'm gonna continue to try to get him to appear on this forum, but it may be difficult.

JWW · Post by **JWW** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 7:56 am

Originally posted by Christopher:
Hmmm.... I think some of the guys in the upper part of this topic take it a bit too serious, where the berets are produced.
In my eyes thats the damn last thing, a soldier has to worry about.
And perhaps you should take care of getting back on mother earth again. Its not "the good Americans" against the "red menace" from far-east anymore.
We really dont need WW3.
And perhaps you should take a look at what good points communism or better socialism contains. The idea is very good, just the execution...

Yes, the US and the PRC are morally equivalent. I can buy that. Sure.

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 4:05 pm

Originally posted by JW:
Yes, the US and the PRC are morally equivalent. I can buy that. Sure.

Oh no!!!
You are living with the strange idea that US has any conscience when it comes to their interests? Ha! dream on!

DELTA32 · Post by **DELTA32** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 4:54 pm

Originally posted by Akmatov:
The guy may have been a fine officer once, he certainly claimed to have been one - don't know the facts personally, but from what I can see he became a bitter, angry fruitcake.

Ak....I hate to agree with you but, I do. Hackworth has been wrong more than once...but, nevertheless....he continues to get my respect because as an American soldier he has done what others haven't had the guts to do.

Delta 3-2

DELTA32 · Post by **DELTA32** » Tue Apr 10, 2001 4:59 pm

Originally posted by JW:
You may not know that the black berets, 5 million of them, are being made by a company located in the People's Republic of China. Now I think it would be absolutely insulting for US soldiers to be forced to wear berets made in the country that is currently holding American airmen hostage. Write your congressman.

JW......it's a little late to writing your Senators and Reps now. Most of these anti-American, anti-labor bastards have been supporting Most Favored Nation status, and FREE TRADE for Communist China for years. My congressman, Phil English, R-21, Pennsylvania has consistently voted to support duty-free imports of goods made in Communist China over his career (8 years). You all should have been watching American industry leave your home regions and move to mainland China...only to be brought back here to undercut the remaining manufacturers trying to keep their businesses running.

Screw Congress.....but, write them and call them anyway....if they get enough complaints they may change their ways. But, I doubt it....PAC money speaks louder than words.

Delta 3-2

JTGEN · Post by **JTGEN** » Thu Apr 12, 2001 3:22 pm

A bit out of the topic, but I could not help noticing this discussion on M1. I do not knot who this general is but I must say that I agree on M1 being a bad choice for a tank.

It worked in desert war but in Finland I would rather take T72 than M1. M1 is 20 tons too heavy, it has (to my knowledge) gas turbine engine. I do not think they consulted a single competent logistics person on that choise. And in different terrain there is no help from being able to shoot from 1 km longer distance if you newer get the chance to do so.

And about the berets and employment in US. You might know a lot about war but not a bout economy. I suggest that you do some basic study and you are glad it is too expensive to make those berets in US.

murx · Post by **murx** » Fri Apr 13, 2001 9:00 pm

CaptainBrian, hehe, no I'm not that bad minded on the US, but there is still somekind of Rambo-image on your soldiers ... just look at your boot-camps (for criminals) and training camps for marines. I don't think calling someone dirt, maggots and all that stuff makes him a better soldier, neither mind breaking physical training.

But it is hard to get rid of a bad image. Also one must keep in mind that a big part of the US military image results directly from Hollywood movies. The depicted soldiers they rarely 'act' military like but still makes the watchers think US military is that way.

Additionally it seems that within NATO training operations the US units sometimes make awful faults - which in my view of things result out of a bit 'arrogant' concept on their own training and equipment. Not saying all US think that way - hey, even in our 'Bundeswehr' are some assholes even in the higher ranks (esp. in higher ranks ???) , I can tell you...

What bugs me most is that we Europeans don't pull of enough responsibility within UN operations - we leave most of that up to US units. And that's big fault of our own - and US can surely blame us on that - they are sending men into the dangerous missions...

murx

DELTA32 · Post by **DELTA32** » Sat Apr 14, 2001 1:12 am

Originally posted by Christopher:

You are living with the strange idea that US has any conscience when it comes to their interests? Ha! dream on!

Gee whiz ! Build any Extermination Camps lately ? Go visit Dachau if you need a blueprint for one.

Delta 3-2

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » Sat Apr 14, 2001 5:59 pm

Originally posted by DELTA 3-2:
Gee whiz ! Build any Extermination Camps lately ? Go visit Dachau if you need a blueprint for one.

Delta 3-2

Hey dude! Trying to provoke me, eh?
OK, probably this wont get into ur brain, but nevertheless Ill try it.

WW1+2, Gulf War, Vietnam War, Kosovo War and the whole rest of useless waste of human lifes were ALL caused by NATIONAL interests.
Im not only talking about such obvious SHIT like it happened in germany, but also about things that have happened recently and are happening in the moment.
Economic interests are forced through under the cover of human-rights that should have been broken by the "enemy" who causes problems for the money.
MONEY is MORE IMPORTANT than the HUMAN RIGHTS.
That is not right and has to be changed.
And when I see such shit like it stands in the "sorry china" topic, Im not far away from throwing up.

I will not waste time to tell you what incredible cruel things have happened in my otherwise so liberal city under hitler. It would probably blow ur limited imagination.
Just try to tell me ur last comment face to face. Youre in no way better than the average neo-nazi!
You have probably never heard the word TOLERANCE