War Plan Orange: October Update

[rekab]

Just had a thought on the 1922 start!

If the Washington Treaty was not ratified, when pressured to choose between Japan or US would Churchill still have dropped the Anglo-Japanese Treaty? (An action that p***** *** the Japanese and could be argued laid the foundations of WITP)

After all was that not what Plan Red was all about? The British Empire honoring its obligation to Japan?

Japan honoured the Treaty in 1914, by declaring war on Germany.

So in the 1922 version might we have the option of the US alone against Japan and the British Empire[:@]

Just a thought........

--Bob

[Tankerace]

I'm considering it, but for the initial release no. This is mainly because if the Brits were going to help out the Japanese, they would put all their ships in the Atlantic. That way, the US would be split and could be defeated. To model this, I can simply give the US about half the ships and see what happens.

However, as I planned the mod, here is the general path of naval events that lead up to it. Items in Bold are departures from history.

1914: The Entente and the Central Powers declare War.
1915: Battle of Dogger Bank
1916: Battle of Jutland
1916: Britain starts building the first of the Admiral Class battlecruisers.
1918: WWI ends. Britain begins construction of 3 more Admiral class battlecruisers (Hoods)
1919: Britain has scrapped, or begins scrapping all predreadnoughts preceeding the Agamemnon.
1921: Battleships Alabama and Ostfriesland used as targets in air attacks. While the sight of battleships sinking causes alarm, but does not persuade all who watch.
1921: The United States hosts the Washington Naval conference in an attempt to disarm the world's fleets. The main objective of this treaty is to give the US parity with England, ensure a superiority of Japan, and break up the Anglo-American Alliance.
1922: America and a partially banckrupt England agree on the treaty. Furious, Japan renounced the Anglo-Japanese alliance, and demands that she be given an equal rating as the two superpowers. After refusing to agree to this, Japan withdraws from the conference.
1922: On February 8, 1922, England and the United States ssign an agreement, both pledging that each will come to the others aid in the event of war.
1922: In May 1922, the US makes one last attempt to restart the conference. Japan, again demands parity with England and the United States. Once again refusing, diplomatic negotiations are broken off.
1922: On May 30 1922, all British and American citizens are forced out of Japan, and all British aircaft in Japan (serving as protypes for Japanese models) are seized by troops.
1922: On May 31, 1922, The Japanese Ambassador delivers a note to the United States Government. It amounts to a declaration of war.
1922: On June 1, 1922: The British Government, despite being nearly bankrupt, declares war on Japan. Immediately, it prepares to send a force of dreadnoughts to protect Interests in India and Malaya.

So, why the conference offended Japan, it also made them renounce the treaty, which was an intended effect.

[rekab]

After that, I do not think anyone can say you have not given serious thought to all aspects of your WPO mod.

You never cease to amaze me[&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]

This mod is going to be a real 'Honey', (as the Brits in WW2 named a bit of US hardware, so we name a bit of US software)[8D]

--Bob

[Jaypea]

Will you be using the whole WITP map? IF so, how are you handling ground troops all over the map? It must be difficult to find out troop dispositions for the pacific in 1922, right?

Just curiois because I like the ground war part also and this could be real fun.

Thanks
JP

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Jaypea

Will you be using the whole WITP map? IF so, how are you handling ground troops all over the map? It must be difficult to find out troop dispositions for the pacific in 1922, right?

Just curiois because I like the ground war part also and this could be real fun.

Thanks
JP

Ask Don Bowen nicely is the way to go I'd bet![&o]

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Ask Don Bowen nicely is the way to go I'd bet![&o]

Sorry Ron, but you've over-estimated my library. I am pristinely ignorant of pre-1939 forces. I have a couple of books with some information but no "hard" OOB data.

Guardians of Empire, the U.S. Army in the Pacific 1902-1940 ISBN 0-8078-4815-8
War Plan Orange, the U.S> Strategy to Defeat Japan 1897-1945 ISBN 0-87021-759-3

P.S. Any interesting Mail recently???

[Tankerace]

Basically, I am using the same pre-war formations, but now you'll find tanks a fairly scarce thing, with the occasional Whippet or M1 Combat Car. Reinforcements will still be present, but not to a great extent. There will enough ground troops to execute landings and ground combat, but again nothing on the scale of WW2.

I can tell you that the main area of land combat will be centered in the islands of the central Pacific (coaling stations), and in the Philippines. I will probably also include extra formations, so that the player can attempt to invade the other country. However, any 1920's war in the Pacific would have been primarily a naval war. Amphibious landings had only been accomplished 1 other time in history, and Gallipoli was a bloody disaster.