Did the Japanese immediately use the 700+ they produced? How many were actually used in action?
According to Francillon, barely a hundred (of the MXY7 Model 11) were used in action. But this figure may only account for those Ohkas that were released from their carrier-Betties and not for those shot down together with their carriers. Not sure about this!
Maybe because Japan has to expand the factory before turning them out in large numbers? Or do you expect a whole factory magically popping up?
In the game they're available in January 1945, first combat use was March 21, 1945 (and first hits scored April 1).
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you can not expand the factory, it does not show up in the industry window of tokyo. This factory only appears in the info window of total production (i.e. under the info button).
Seems that you're right!
But I don't understand this! Ohkas are not produced from start on (their factory appears fully functional in the database as posted above). Maybe the factory does appear on 1st January 1945 to make it impossible to expand it earlier or to do research of the Ohka before? Something special about Ohka production...
I too could not find any info ingame regarding their Numbers, they are not shown in the info screans for aircraft produced or those becoming available, and I did not see a Factory screan for them either. I gues it is indead a Fixed figure. Why I wounder did they set the figure at 9? To Bad they unpgrade to the other models of Ohka, and that the P1Y1 will not be alowed in game to use them if the game goes past Aug. 45.
Any one notice if alt efects their hit chance aganst ships?
Anyone notice if their parent aircraft have to face flack?
Since they dont have to get all the way to the target I wounder if they get a special modifier for the A to A resulation?
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Most of the recent tests have them attacking groups of 2, but then I had bumped the production upto 100 at Tokyo so see what happens. After a while, they dropped back to one per attack.
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Ah, Thanks was hard to tell from the tests I ran...
Has anyone sean them Launch atacks in numbers greater than 1 at a time?
Is the reasioning behind the One at a time atacks to inshure that several Bakas dont hit the same target, or at least minimise it? The Unit I tested had 18 planes in it and never did more than two sortie...
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I don't know and I could not find anything about it in DevForum.
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Makes some sense as it would have been a case of get in and fire. Not a co-ordinated mass flying bomb attack like modern day AGM.
Did find a Combat report which showed 10 attacks in same combat, but each bomb attacked one at a time.
Michael
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Is the reasioning behind the One at a time atacks to inshure that several Bakas dont hit the same target, or at least minimise it? The Unit I tested had 18 planes in it and never did more than two sortie...
From what I gater they did atack in Mass, but as you say they tried for specific ships, I should say the bettys were formed up and launced in mass, I dont have a problem with the Planes atacking I gues in game one at a time, but to see only 2 out 18 even launch is an isue, though as noted above it is likely that my test was done early on and the game had not produced enough Baks for their to be enough to go around.
I would like to know if their is methoud to the madness regarding the production number of 9 per month though, and their being no Bakas in the pool in Jan, unless of course it is a mistake and neads be rectified for the stock game.
"On 21st March K711 suxcedded in launching 18 aircraft on the first Jinrai sortie, with 15 of the rikko carrying Ohka to give the weapon it's combat debut"
The were all shot down before reaching the launch point. K711 had been atack at ait's base by Carrier launched planes before this sorti and had taken considerable losses in Rikko before this soritie occured as a result of both these actions this unit was disbanded. Their was howeaver another unit that had been trained and equiped to use the Ohka at this time ready to go...
"Leaving K708 to take over as the operational hikotai. The later unit would subsequently undertake a number of small scale sorties, primarly at night, priour to the wars end."
Suporting these Night operations were:
"Also Flying from Kyusho was K704, which was controled by 706 Ku, while 801 Kokutai operated reconnaissance Hikotai 703. Formerly K703, the later unit had been redesignated on 15th March 1945. T707 and 709 were also assigned to 801 Ku, and they preformed mainly night patroles and mine laying operations. From Taiwan, K702 under 765 Ku control, flew small number of mishions, as did a provishional unit Know as Atack (special) Hikotai 701. Again part of 765 Ku, 701 was equiped with Type 1 aircraft..."
"K708 flew it's next Jinrai sorti on the afternoon of 12 Aprial with 8 rikko, which suxcedded in launching six Ohka. One of them sank the destroyer USS Mannert L Abele in the only confirmed Ohka sinking of the war...."
After this sortie two more were made in daylight both were intercepted two early to launch, after this the unit switched back to Night atacks , Ocashionaly some daylight sorties were undertaken, but right up to the end of the war Ohka sorties were the last being flow on the 14th of Augast 1945.
Several ships were damaged By Ohkas including the BB West Virginia.
Given that these did manage to hit their targets, both in daylight and at night, and considering the small number actualy launched, and that nowhear have i sean a referance for one shot down..after Launch, I should think they worked well enough, the main problem being the deleavery means... this would of been rectified to a degree in later models, which were to be carried by P1Y's with about double the range, and even greater as evidanced by the list of model types above, their was even to be a shore launched vershion and a sub launced vershion.
Sources: Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific war by Francillon, and Mitsubishi Type 1 Rikko "Betty" units of WW2 by Osamu Tagaya.
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Abele had already been hit and crippled before the ohka hit her ---
At about 1440 three Zekes broke orbit and closed to attack. Mannert L. Abele drove off one and splashed another about 4,000 yards out. Despite numerous hits from 5-inch bursts and antiaircraft fire, and spewing smoke and flame, the third kamikaze crashed the starboard side and penetrated the after engineroom where it exploded.
Immediately, Mannert L. Abele began to lose headway. The downward force of the blast, which had wiped out the after engineering spaces, broke the destroyer's keel aft No. 2 stack. The bridge lost control and all guns and directors lost power.
A minute later, at about 1446, Mannert L. Abele took a second and fatal hit from a baka bomb—a piloted, rocket powered, glider bomb—that struck the starboard waterline abreast the forward fireroom. Its 2.600 pound warhead exploded, buckling the ship, and "cutting out all power lights, and communications."
Almost immediately, Mannert L. Abele broke in two. her midship section obliterated. Her bow and stern sections sunk rapidly. As~ survivors clustered in the churning waters enemy planes bombed and strafed them. However LSJR-189 and LSMR-I90, praised by Comdr. Parker as "worth their weight in gold as support vessels," splashed two of the remaining attackers, repulsed further attacks, and rescued the survivors.
Secondly, the description of the hit on WeeVee is that of a normal Kamikaze plane. Note the description of a "bomb carried by the plane falling off its shackle". It was not an Ohka, it would not have been carrying a bomb.
Now, as to the ability to hit with them in the game, I don't have any data/experience on that. I would think that it would be very low in my opinion.
Sing to the tune of "Man on the Flying Trapeze" ..Oh! We fly o'er the treetops with inches to spare,
There's smoke in the cockpit and gray in my hair.
The tracers look fine as a strafin' we go.
But, brother, we're TOO God damn low...
The description of the Hit on the USS West Virginia only described it as a kamakisie, and that the warhead/bomb did break away from the airframe. Several other referances describe this as atack as being made from an Ohka, including many US ones. I sighted the one above mearly because it described the damage from the atack, sometinhg I had never read before. Other ships were also atacked at this time and place by Ohka's as well. 4 ships were atacked 3 transports and the USS West Virginia in the Aprial 1st atack as I recall all damaged from Ohaks.
All reports and descriptions, from various sources sight a decent handeling weapon, and one that aparently could hit the targets, as noted above several ships were hit. The problem was not the Ohka, but the delevery system linked to the parent aircraft, once launched if in range they stood a good chance of hitting the target acording to the referances sighted above.
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From what I've read, the WV attack was from an ohka. Probably it's most important result. I've only found three or four ships sunk/written off by ohkas (a few DDs or DMs).
