IS 2 Sneer vs Andy Mac

[ny59giants]

"IF" you get through Malaya and take Singapore, then Ragoon will be at level 9 fort and impossible to take and thus no break into Burma. [&o] Thus, India will be like the US West Coast and unreachable except for a possible raid.

It looks more like the China theater with better Allied resources and counter punch capabilities.[X(]

Any increase in Allied forces (naval, air, land) needs to be off set with about 3:1 increase by the Japanese to give them a chance. It looks like the Allies will be at Tokyo's doorstep by mid-43.

[Sneer]

yes
sadly speaking i don't see any reason why to go for war in such military conditions
2-4 carriers can't offset beeing short by something like 10 divisions

you are wrong war will be shorter as it will be maximum effort for taking Java & celebes - palembang will not be secured as well as java
there is not enough fighters to cover all resource places + supress Singapore and be present in Burma and pacific so allies will be free for strategic bombing immiedietaly after taking them

my usual answer is taking them is a very short time span - each with base force and designated fighter force

more resources damaged with less supply

simple OOB "on paper" comparison is not enough - for me Alikchi made very unbalanced mod in LCU /strategic deployment

there is big fun with navy and new toys but main idea is to secure land objectives

[Sneer]

bad weather prevented US carrier from attack
i hope that Andy will fear staying too long in area
he got no news from my CVs for a time


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/23/41

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Sub attack at 27,45

Japanese Ships
AK Hawaii Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Takunan Maru #5
AP Nichiryo Maru
PC Ch 16
PC Ch 13
PC Ch 14
PC Ch 15
PC Ch 32
PC Ch 18
PC Ch 17

Allied Ships
SS Uproar, hits 7, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 22,49


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Wellington III x 9
Hudson I x 13
Beaufort I x 6
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9
LB-30 Liberator x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 12
Wellington III x 6
Hudson I x 9
Beaufort I x 5
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
B-17E Fortress x 9
LB-30 Liberator x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 8 damaged
Wellington III: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 4 damaged
Beaufort I: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 6 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
100 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 200th US Coast AA Regiment, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-32 Mary x 73

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-32 Mary: 4 destroyed, 38 damaged



Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
31 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 25,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3
Beaufighter IC x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter IC: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Taiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 28,51


Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hato

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 144425 troops, 1143 guns, 320 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 2680

Defending force 66423 troops, 355 guns, 259 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 1426

Japanese max assault: 2046 - adjusted assault: 816

Allied max defense: 1497 - adjusted defense: 2937

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
2909 casualties reported
Guns lost 58
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
2645 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 9

[Sneer]

good fortune reversed in afternoon when cloud cover dispersed
2 cvl sunk with all planes trapped on them
settsu and cruised damaged


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/24/41

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Sub attack at 103,94

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
AO Neosho, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on 55th Division, at 30,35


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 98,87


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 23
TBD Devastator x 14


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Unho, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Aoba, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Settsu, Bomb hits 2
DD Nenohi, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Junho, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 98,87


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8
SBD Dauntless x 30
TBD Devastator x 17


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 3 damaged
TBD Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Settsu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Kinugasa
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 1
CVL Junho, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatsushimo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 98,87


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 28
TBD Devastator x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Kisaragi
CL Aoba, on fire
CL Yura
BB Settsu, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,46


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PG Unkai Maru #1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kota Bharu at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 42

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 13
Wellington III x 12
Hudson I x 10
B-17D Fortress x 2
B-17E Fortress x 19
LB-30 Liberator x 6
Beaufighter IC x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 5 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Hudson I: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 19 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 6 damaged
Beaufighter IC: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AP Nichiryo Maru
AP Jinshu Maru, Bomb hits 2
AK Shinamogawa Maru
AP Taiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kanayamasan Maru
AP Daigen Maru
AK Tairyu Maru
AP Sakido Maru
AP Kaedesan Maru
AP Takayo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Ch 13
AK Sanko Maru
AP Otori Maru

Japanese ground losses:
86 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,50


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Fuyo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 98,85

Japanese aircraft
F1M2 Pete x 16

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga
CV Enterprise

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
4 x F1M2 Pete bombing at 2000 feet
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ASW attack at 103,94

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

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Sub attack at 103,94

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
AO Neosho, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3952 troops, 92 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 2506

Defending force 63570 troops, 319 guns, 253 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 1369



Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[Sneer]

BB malaya hunted near Palembang
enemy carriers did not try to eliminate settsu group and retreat to PH
US BB at Suva
Dutch BCs moves to ceylon
in 3-4 days i should be ready with invasion on PM but must decide what to do with KB first
i'm tempted to raid south pac - i know us bbs are there - and they are defenceless at suva

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/25/41

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TF 64 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51)

Japanese Ships
MSW Choun Maru #18
MSW W.18
MSW Choun Maru #7
MSW Banshu Maru #52
MSW W.19
MSW W.16
MSW W.15

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ASW attack at 9,39

Japanese Ships
SS I-165, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Dordtrect
DD Hertog Hendrik
DD Van der Heyden
DD Ijseelmer
DD Noordbrabant
DD Katham
DD Groningen

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Sub attack at 101,97

Japanese Ships
SS I-170

Allied Ships
AO Sepulga, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 21,53

Japanese Ships
SS I-154

Allied Ships
AK Mabella, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on 9th Division, at 22,49


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 19
Wellington III x 7
Hudson I x 14
Beaufort I x 7
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
B-17D Fortress x 3
B-17E Fortress x 9
LB-30 Liberator x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 21st Mixed Brigade, at 30,35


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 3


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th Division, at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 14
Wellington III x 8
Hudson I x 7
Beaufort I x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
B-17D Fortress x 2
B-17E Fortress x 9
LB-30 Liberator x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 2 damaged
Beaufort I: 1 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 31st Reserve Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 27
Ki-21-II Sally x 143
Ki-48-I Lily x 15

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 9 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
233 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
27 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
11 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
27 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
24 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 21,53

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
G3M Nell x 14

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
G3M Nell: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane: 7 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Malaya, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 27,67

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
D3A2 Val x 24
B5N2 Kate x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Vyner Brooke, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Tasman, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
9 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Muntok at 21,55

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
G3M Nell x 10

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged


Allied Ships
TK P. P. Buisman, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Muntok at 21,55

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
G3M Nell x 10

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Matua, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Utsire
AK Needwood, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 102,96

Japanese Ships
SS I-169

Allied Ships
AO Neosho, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4064 troops, 96 guns, 0 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 2574

Defending force 64102 troops, 326 guns, 257 vehicles, Beginning Assault Value = 1374



Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[Sneer]

it is weird to me - i noticed p-38F lighting over Singapore in last days of DEC
how the hell i can fight for air superioirity there
1st assault for Johore was very bloody - forts reduced to 5 - numerical advantage less than 2:1 adjusted 1:5
looks like best idea is to withdraw[;)]

sweep mission bring 1:1 losses of my zero against his combined cap
my daitais are 60% strong now as losses are too high
i can't win skies over Singapore even if 80% of my fighters is used over Malaya

[Sneer]

in iron storm due to several factors air war looks diffrently than in stock version
there are plenty of allied planes inmalaya bases and close to them
as I pointed earlier there are 20 fgt sqns in singapore after few days
and most of them are good and very good planes ( hurris/ spitfires /avg tomahawks , P38F )
ap 250-300 + we all know replacements rates are quite high
there is more 4e bombers at start too
+
there is no way japan can block singapore from supply within first months - i think it can be block after Java is taken
with 2k Assault value of troops there is no way to defeat malayan garrison in fight - it needs to be starved first
meanwhile allies can close any malayan airfield within range of their bombers and allied player is forced to attrition play what in stock version happens no sooner than in mid 42 when industry is built up and planes reserves are available
here is example from last combat report
with problem with dealing with bombers in this mod I already posted in thread in main forum
( durability of bombers are increased to lower bloodiness) - there is no way you can stop bombers from reaching targets - AA Changes from Nik mod are not implemented in this game
daily plane losses are 2x - 3x higher than in any stock game I played - despite NIK mod which decrease bloodiness


Day Air attack on Kuantan , at 24,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26

Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane x 24
Wirraway x 15
Brewster 339D x 6
Hurricane IIb x 36
Spitfire Vb x 29
Kittyhawk I x 9
CW-22 Falcon x 7
Blenheim IV x 58
Wellington III x 28
Hudson I x 38
Beaufort I x 23
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 5
B-17D Fortress x 9
B-17E Fortress x 39
LB-30 Liberator x 10
P-38F Lightning x 5
Beaufighter IC x 24
Spitfire Type 355 x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 23 destroyed
Ki-51 Sonia: 14 destroyed
Ki-32 Mary: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Sea Hurricane: 7 destroyed, 9 damaged
Wirraway: 10 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Hurricane IIb: 9 destroyed, 12 damaged
Spitfire Vb: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Wellington III: 2 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged
Beaufort I: 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufighter IC: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
796 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 116

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 10000 feet
2 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Wellington III bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 10000 feet

[Sneer]

last turn - there were many similar



in my second current PBEm it almost 4 months of combat until my losses reached similar level and meanwhile i had malaya /PI /java / east india campaigns finished
in this mod i lost same number in 3 weeks

[Sneer]

shape of zero fighters
there are no planes in the pool
factories are during building up
I can't fight air war for which allies are ready and for which they force me

[Sneer]

oscars are in slightly better shape but their pool is almost empty
and oscars can't shoot 4e bombers which started harassing me in great numbers

[Sneer]

Sorry Alikchi but i find this scenario too highly unbalanced to play as Japan
it is over for me -too many toys to allies too fast but what makes this mission impossible is deployment of these toys -

my prediction is that :
Manila will fall within next two weeks
PM will be taken within next two weeks
for burma 3-6 months will be needed and there is no way to cover it from air
Singapore will not fall sooner than 3-4 months after cutting off - if allied player is smart and reinforce Java with troops from india than Java will not fall sooner than in next 3-4 months
estimated fall of fortress - june- september 42
meanwhile Japanese fighter force will disappear - monthly losses that allies can survive costs japan more than monthly production

can Malayas be ignored in the opening ?- they can - but you need to be prepared that you will loose resources and HI from Bangkog and Saigon within first half of 42
also you will be unable to take palembang before Singapore is taken as well as resource island close to it - otherwise industries will be in ruins
Japan don't have enough supply to survive such events

I can withstand beating - in myPBEM against Raverdave see him taking initiative but also know that if there is no space for Japan at the beginning war will be very short
Japan will be in full retreat within next 12 months and war in my estimation will end in the end of 43

i want to thank all Witp -maniacs that support Alikchi and us players in this game

[FeurerKrieg]

YOu amke some good points Sneer, but I don't think it will be so hard to isolate Singapore, and if it can be isolated, is there really a need to capture before Burma offense starts? For that matter, who says Burma must be taken?

You may well be correct, but Japanese carrier power seems very strong, and naval production has built in surplus right off the bat (I have finished the warship production tables - BTW) so a couple carriers can be accelerated and moved up a year or two. So I see Japan have major control over the water for quite some time.

That being said, I'm only into day 3 of my Iron Storm game so I'm not truly qualified to rebut your claims yet! [:D]

[Sneer]

it is a matter of how fast you can take java - taking java before taking malayas or PI leaves you with too little troops available
you need to go there with troops from PI - i think that clearing luzon and minadanoa in 4 weeks is result i shouldn't be ashamed in the community - these are only troops available to you.
it means that they land java in late January or early Feb - in stock version - basing on easier map it takes at least month to clear java - here allies can double defenders forces easily - 2 months? maybe even 3 or 4 with really sgood defence
so we have april - since april Singapore is cut off but it has 100k-150k suppiles inside and extremaly strong cap - i actually lost fighter war in malaya in first 3 weeks of war - japan can't sustain such losses - allies can - i don't see eggageration in my calculations

Burma - Japan needs every bit of buffer zone for later stage of war
if you leave burma to allies you should forget about Hanoi , Bangkok and Saigan as HI and resource centers - they will be in ruins and you will be short on fighters by this time

killing Japan resources is a key to winning WITP - i managed to take under my boots china easily within 42 in my second PBEM only because i concentrated on resources
if you loose industrial potential of indochina you are toasted sooner than you think

[FeurerKrieg]

I'm still a relative new comer so you are probably right. Once Alikchi and I pick up the pace we will find out in a few months. [:D]