GD 1938 v 2, testgame

[Jeffrey H.]

I do get the feeling that the Germans have the upper hand currently and without pressure from the Soviets, can do as they like against the Anglo-USA forces.

[kombrig]

The Soviet industry is simply too weak. It should be about twice stronger in order to be able to launch major offensives.

[Jeffrey H.]

I think the concentration of production is too high in central europe. It makes a German Italian alliance unbeatable.

It would be an interesting comparison to see what the production strengths of the various sides are.

[ernieschwitz]

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.
I think the concentration of production is too high in central europe. It makes a German Italian alliance unbeatable.

It would be an interesting comparison to see what the production strengths of the various sides are.

Not sure i subscribe to that theory. I almost won with the Soviet Union in another game of GD 1938... so it is possible. Incidently, Italy and Germany are not doing well in that game either...

[RufusTFirefly]

ORIGINAL: ernieschwitz

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.
I think the concentration of production is too high in central europe. It makes a German Italian alliance unbeatable.

It would be an interesting comparison to see what the production strengths of the various sides are.

Not sure i subscribe to that theory. I almost won with the Soviet Union in another game of GD 1938... so it is possible. Incidently, Italy and Germany are not doing well in that game either...

Completely agree with Claus.

In the other gamne we are at turn 65. Will give a more detailed report the next days in the AAR of that game. Here only a short overview:

- Western Allies and USA are pushing back Axis forces at all fronts.
- Italy has been thrown out of Spain and France. USA have captured whole northern part of Italy down to Rome (that is in hands of US too), while Britain has taken Sicily and captured all Italien territory up to Naples. Venice is the only Italien city that is not yet taken by the Allies. Beside Venice only the territory on the Balkan is in Italien hands. African colonies have been taken by France.
- German forces hold the French terrain along a line running from Le Havre, to Paris, southeast to Lyon and Geneve, while Paris and all territory west has not been in hands of Axis at any time and the south has been liberated by USA and GB. (Please refer to map in post discribing the situation in April 1939 of testgame 3)
- Netherlands and Belgium are controlled by German forces, except of Amsterdam, that has defended successfully and has now even recaptured a neighbouring hex.
- In Scandinavia the German advance was stopped at Stockholm and Bergen. Meanwhile British forces have liberated Oslo and Goteburg, while first units moved out of Stockholm southwards.
- North Sea is completely under control of British and US navy.

All this was possible while Axis and SU worked together. Germany and Italy could concentrate their power completely against the western forces, but Axis is in big trouble. Therefore I think Axis is not too powerful. Weaking Axis and SU not in coalition with them would cause a rapid breakdown of Axis I guess. SU is powerful as Western Allies are. I dont see how Axis can survive in case both neighbourgs attack the Axis.

[kombrig]

The current situation is that the Germans are having complete air superiority in the East. The Soviets at this point are not in a situation to break it. In order to break it, the Soviets would need more production power. Maybe the problem is that the West is not giving real pressure against the German airforce. I don't really know what the West is doing, I don't see it much. Do they bomb German cities? If not, then why not? If West would really concentrate in cutting down the German airforce, then the German player should weaken his air force also in the east which would allow the Soviets to undertake major offensives. But in the current situation the Soviets would need twice the industrial power in order to break the stalemate.

[lion_of_judah]

I do not know why the allies stopped sending their fighters on the western front. I haven't noticed any major air battles and so that is good for me. all that does is allow my forces time and that is always a good thing. the British did try an invasion of France, but that was thrown back into the sea.....hehehe

[Twotribes]

The US bombed Germany for 2 years before invading, me thinks the allies need a history lesson.

[Jeffrey H.]

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

The US bombed Germany for 2 years before invading, me thinks the allies need a history lesson.

Ever hear of the Dieppe Raid ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid

Me thinks you just got a history lesson.

[ernieschwitz]

ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

ORIGINAL: Twotribes
The US bombed Germany for 2 years before invading, me thinks the allies need a history lesson.

Ever hear of the Dieppe Raid ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieppe_Raid

Me thinks you just got a history lesson.

Not to quible in an already ongoing argument, but the Dieppe raid was widely considered a failure... You aren´t going to repeat all the failures of the allies are you?

[ironduke1955]

"Not to quible in an already ongoing argument, but the Dieppe raid was widely considered a failure... You aren´t going to repeat all the failures of the allies are you?"

This was true the Dieppe raid was a military failure but the lessons learned proved invaluable for D-Day. In some ways it was a dry run for the real thing.


"The US bombed Germany for 2 years before invading, me thinks the allies need a history lesson."

I guess this should read.


The Allies bombed Germany for 5 years before invading, me thinks the allies need a history lesson.

The first raids were conducted on Germany in 1940 by the British, a direct response to raids carried out by the Germans in Holland and the Blitz. And these raids continued until 1945 with additional muscle added by the US in 1942, increasing in strength and scale.

[Twotribes]

As I pointed out the US bombed for 2 years before invading. I did not discuss the British at all. But since neither the British or the Americans in this game are bombing perhaps I should.

[ironduke1955]

To be honest in GD1938/3 the USA had the advantage of having airbases in France as far East as Calais, due to RufusTFirefly stopping the Axis from taking France out of the game, unlike GD1938/2 where France is completely defeated except for a couple of colonies. I could base them at Amsterdam but it has tenuous supply and a viciously active fighter battle between the British and the Germans constantly overhead. The USA conducts the bulk of the strategic bombing with B17's soon to be upgraded to B29's. It makes sense to let the Brits handle the job of keeping the Luftwaffe under control with their excellent fighter's and let the USA deliver the damage to Axis cities requires a bit of team work to organize, its hard for anyone other than the USA to develop good fighter and Heavy Bomber force all the other countries have many other priorities. The Lion of Judah is making life more difficult with support for the Axis fighters and 3 Soviet armies in the west.

[Twotribes]

From comments from Germany and the allies and the Russians in game 2 the allies are NOT bombing Germany. Is that wrong? Are the allies sending bombers and Germany is claiming they are not? Last time I asked this question the US player said he could not afford to make bombers.

[lion_of_judah]

we'll, as of last turn not one German city has been bombed. my fighter strength is being built up in the west and east with this respite of sorts. the eastern front has been somewhat quiet on the soviet end. have not met any soviet fighters for several turns now, I'm thinking a good push offensive wise and I might crack his front, but will have to get the western front more under control than it is now.

The Japanese theater is stalemated, the new fighters are just now coming out so hopefully they will reduce my fighter losses.. this all is from the last turn, still waiting on new turn

[Jeffrey H.]

ORIGINAL: lion_of_judah

still waiting on new turn

Mee too, where is it ?

[kombrig]

It seems that the US player has got the turn currently.

[lion_of_judah]

German eastern front- finally....largest air battle to date has just occurred and once again the Luftwaffe came out on top.

[lion_of_judah]

......NEWS FLASH......

German war industry will now be producing our latest air craft level VIII I think it is or was it VII. New panther will be rolling off the production floor next turn and should help turn the tide of the war in our favor on the ground. minor air battle over Madrid, was a tie so air superiority in this theater is still contested.

Italy......still some life in them after all.....new production should see improvement on the battle field

Japan...... new research has produced an upgraded version of the Zero, along with our latest fighter rolling off the production floor.....

[lion_of_judah]

Italy's production of her new weapon has resulted in a great victory. 8 British ships have been sunk.

Germany- eastern front.....conducted several bombing runs against soviet troop concentrations. no air engagement on the eastern front - result air superiority..

western front..... quiet with the exception of the Spanish front, air battle resulted in draw....contested, but allied loses were heavy.

Japan.....quiet with the exception of a couple of air strikes and arty bombardment, other than that quiet.