Greyjoy(J) vs. Obvert(A) - The air war in China- DBB, SLs, PDU OFF

[GreyJoy]

The only good news in China is that now i can buy out the 41st ID for just 495 PPs....[X(][8|]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

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wow, you get some serious good die rolls. One really has to feel for your enemy. Having 3 times more fully prepped units than you against less opposition I took 5 times more losses in the first attack alone, after something like a dozen naval bombardments. Wonder if that was all that damned river crossing. [8|]

Besides that, why did you shock attack? Your enemy's adjusted av is just horrible. You should have more problems here when thinking about the odds compared to Luzon. But if you get the same rolls again, it was a cake walk with less losses the usual attack on Singapore causes that only gets a 2x bonus for urban light.

I didn't shock Castor. My IDs were all at DA, while the small para companies were those who shocked cause they crossed the rivers in order to close the hexisides

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

The paras marching in over the rivers convert the whole thing into a shock attack, so be careful. That said, a tremendous result and I think the base is doomed. Two more attacks to kill forts, you will take it on the second or third attack.

Why let them retreat at all? I'd kamikaze another unit to close the last hexside.

I don't think that is what happens. The message will say shock attack if any unit does that, but the other units can still make deliberate attacks or bombardment attacks.

As far as i can tell Crib, witpqs is right here.
I wanna them retreat to a clear hex so to finish them at a much less expensive cost in terms of casualities (if i conquer Calcutta but they do not surrender en masse - like the chinese do-) it could take me weeks to wipe them out in urban terrain...

[ny59giants]

Which hexside and/or hex are you leaving open so the Allied troops can retreat out of Calcutta??

Sian - that will leave a big mark!! In all seriousness, it looks like you didn't bring in enough artillery to wear him down.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Which hexside and/or hex are you leaving open so the Allied troops can retreat out of Calcutta??

Sian - that will leave a big mark!! In all seriousness, it looks like you didn't bring in enough artillery to wear him down.

Oh my.... [X(][X(][X(]

Lost a Whole army now...they attacked...and we retreated...look at the losses...


Ground combat at Sian (83,41)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 95257 troops, 396 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2619

Defending force 77130 troops, 608 guns, 870 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649

Allied adjusted assault: 1233

Japanese adjusted defense: 416

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
25679 casualties reported
Squads: 657 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 647 destroyed, 143 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 119 (76 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Vehicles lost 263 (143 destroyed, 120 disabled)
Units retreated 20

Allied ground losses:
5867 casualties reported
Squads: 74 destroyed, 531 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd Construction Regiment
92nd Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
85th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
9th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
1st Construction Regiment
57th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
4th Construction Regiment
4th Chinese Base Force
Red Chinese Army
14th Group Army
2nd War Area
7th Group Army
3rd Group Army
5th War Area
24th Group Army
1st War Area
10th Chinese Base Force
3rd Chinese Corps
4th Group Army
8th Group Army
3rd Construction Regiment
34th Group Army
15th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
36th Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Tank Regiment
41st Division
5th Armored Car Co
10th Tank Regiment
110th Division
5th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
37th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Tank Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
6th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
12th Army
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
North China Area Army
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment


and now we will run for our lives... sh**t... i have trashed my Chinese army...won't recover from this one!





This is the hex i'm leaving open... should work

[ny59giants]

You will recover in China due to supply issues. As you know the Chinese cannot do these big attacks too often as it eats up lots of supplies. You may need to shuffle forces around and plan a more methodical attack in mid-42 rather than now. Remain focused on SE India!!

[Lowpe]

I seriously doubt he has the supplies in Sian to attack, especially the next day.

I take it you cut the railroad line to the north...he will be hard pressed to get supply there.[:)]

You will win here, it will just take longer than you had hoped.

[fcharton]

Hi Greyjoy,

Shock attack into Sian, over the river, with all your troops, in the face of a yet undefeated army, like a true IJA general...

Seriously, I don't read Erik's AAR, but it really looks like he is playing China correctly. He has been carefully avoiding battle, to let his units rebuild from the heavy disablements they begin the game with. And as a result, he ends up around Sian, in a perfectly defensible area, with several 300+ AV corps, which won't allow him to keep Sian in the end, but will win him time. And you have just given him a few more months.

This said, vexing as it might be, this doesn't change your situation in China. Just fall back around Sian, and try to cut the road to Lanchow (this is exactly why you need to take Yenan early, imho). He will not be able to counterattack very long, for lack of supplies, and the big stack in Sian will need to be fed. Then, consolidate over the road from , and bring guns and bombers...

You've probably lost a few weeks here, but those are just a few weeks, and you hold Northern China, in early 42.

Francois

[castor troy]

ouch, over 1000 IJ combat squads destroyed in China is a real beating. Is he following you? That could be a real disaster then.

Now considering Sian is a clear terrain hex and Calcutta is an urban heavy you really have results being upside down for me, which reminds me what that river crossing from DH into Calcutta really meant for my Army.

Why you want the Allied troops from Calcutta retreat? The needed odds that make them retreat are the same that make all of them instantly surrendering if losing the base and there is no retreat path. [&:]

[Lokasenna]

Sucks in China, but you can still recover. You may want to consider buying some of those units out now that they're miniaturized [;)]. You can still prevail, as ny59giants says, due to supply. You will need your air force now, but thankfully that's a bit cheaper to buy out of Manchuria than the LCUs are.

What happened to you is why I have avoided river crossings into Sian. They're dangerous because it's a place where the Chinese can actually get some forts built before you get there.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I seriously doubt he has the supplies in Sian to attack, especially the next day.

I take it you cut the railroad line to the north...he will be hard pressed to get supply there.[:)]

You will win here, it will just take longer than you had hoped.

He did already, post # 405 was the Allied attack. [8D]

[GreyJoy]

Yes, he did attack back and completely annihilated my army!...wow!!!!
Hurts a lot guys. Already buyed back a division tough...less than 300 PPs...[X(]

Ok, 2 more days into the war:


Feb 2, 1942

At Calcutta i forgot to change orders for 2 eng rgts... one is wiped out and destroyed, the other one only has 1 support squad left alive [:@] stupid me!
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Ground combat at Calcutta (52,37)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4201 troops, 227 guns, 187 vehicles, Assault Value = 2306

Defending force 36933 troops, 281 guns, 458 vehicles, Assault Value = 893

Japanese adjusted assault: 0

Allied adjusted defense: 873

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
908 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 38 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (9 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
33rd Division
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
5th Division
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
55th Cavalry Regiment
2nd Division
38th Division
18th Division
21st Division
19th Ind Engineer Regiment
1st Tank Regiment
2nd Raiding Regiment
15th Guards Regiment
25th Army
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Fld AA Gun Co
16th AA Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
30th Fld AA Gun Co
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th AA Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
112th Infantry Rgt /5
3rd Mortar Battalion
Southern Army
143rd Infantry Rgt /3

Defending units:
Fort William
44th Indian Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
255th Armoured Brigade
43rd Cavalry Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
1st Patiala Lancers Regiment
45th Indian Brigade
18th British Division
36th Indian Brigade
India Command
6th Heavy AA Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Eastern Command
35th Light AA Regiment




At Sian, as you've seen, the chinese deliberate attacked and pushed me out... now we're running back for our lifes, with the chinese armies in pursue...think i won't make it


Ground combat at Sian (83,41)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 95257 troops, 396 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2619

Defending force 77130 troops, 608 guns, 870 vehicles, Assault Value = 1649

Allied adjusted assault: 1233

Japanese adjusted defense: 416

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
25679 casualties reported
Squads: 657 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 647 destroyed, 143 disabled
Engineers: 23 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 119 (76 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Vehicles lost 263 (143 destroyed, 120 disabled)
Units retreated 20

Allied ground losses:
5867 casualties reported
Squads: 74 destroyed, 531 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 46 disabled
Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd Construction Regiment
92nd Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
90th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
16th Chinese Corps
85th Chinese Corps
7th Construction Regiment
9th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
1st Construction Regiment
57th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
4th Construction Regiment
4th Chinese Base Force
Red Chinese Army
14th Group Army
2nd War Area
7th Group Army
3rd Group Army
5th War Area
24th Group Army
1st War Area
10th Chinese Base Force
3rd Chinese Corps
4th Group Army
8th Group Army
3rd Construction Regiment
34th Group Army
15th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
36th Division
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
9th Tank Regiment
41st Division
5th Armored Car Co
10th Tank Regiment
110th Division
5th Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
37th Division
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Tank Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Brigade
6th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
12th Army
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
North China Area Army
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Army
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment



Feb 3, 1942

The 3rd day of Feb is a better one. The Chinese don't seem anymore to be moving east from Sian, so we may be able to save our Army...well, what is left of it

In India, we bombed again (with CAs and with Betties and Sallies) and we attacked. Another 1-1 and forts down to 0... losses are quite high (2 more Eng rgts wiped out) but the enemy is really crumbling down... few more days like this and we may be able to get the city!

Changed my mind...thank you guys! we will close every hex and destroy everything!


In the DEI, several ducth bombers attacked Palembang from Batavia. Few days ago another small raid caused me 10 fires and something like 40 refineries damaged[:o]. Today we were ready, with 40 zeros and 36 nates... wasn't enough... an Hudson scored a single bomb hit and lit the fires... 30 more refineries damaged[X(][:-]

We're advancing towards sosarbaja tough... with 2 full divisions. Should make it

At Mindanao...we attacked...and got a bloody nose...a SNLF units wiped out.... i'm a bit losing the grip in the PI....

Car Div 1 is looking for preys in the IO...empty!

The other CVs are regrouping at Singapore

[castor troy]

you just have to put a small unit into the hex SE of it, you don't even need to cross over into the town. Just close the retreat path and they are done.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

you just have to put a small unit into the hex SE of it, you don't even need to cross over into the town. Just close the retreat path and they are done.

Yup, doing that exactly. Tanks are on the way

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: fcharton

Hi Greyjoy,

Shock attack into Sian, over the river, with all your troops, in the face of a yet undefeated army, like a true IJA general...

Seriously, I don't read Erik's AAR, but it really looks like he is playing China correctly. He has been carefully avoiding battle, to let his units rebuild from the heavy disablements they begin the game with. And as a result, he ends up around Sian, in a perfectly defensible area, with several 300+ AV corps, which won't allow him to keep Sian in the end, but will win him time. And you have just given him a few more months.

This said, vexing as it might be, this doesn't change your situation in China. Just fall back around Sian, and try to cut the road to Lanchow (this is exactly why you need to take Yenan early, imho). He will not be able to counterattack very long, for lack of supplies, and the big stack in Sian will need to be fed. Then, consolidate over the road from , and bring guns and bombers...

You've probably lost a few weeks here, but those are just a few weeks, and you hold Northern China, in early 42.

Francois

Yes Francois, will do that. Will wait for the air situation to change a bit and fall back into good terrain and recover.
Now that i have bought out the 26th ID, i can devote more PPs for buying some IJA bomber groups. Will also need to have more oscars online...and to do that i need the production to catch up!
In the meanwhile, however, i'm moving BBs to HK. Wanna start bombing Wenchow ASAP. Hate to have that nail in my side... BBs should do the job just fine. AKEs are on their way to Shangai, along with some more zeros and Lilies

[GreyJoy]

However, the bright side is that it's Feb 3rd 1942 and Calcutta is about to fall. Then, what's next? Assam, for sure. Ceylon...yes...

The question is: how further should i advance in India?

[castor troy]

isn't Shanghai a lvl 8 or 9 port? Shouldn't it be easily big enough to replenish BB main ammo?

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

isn't Shanghai a lvl 8 or 9 port? Shouldn't it be easily big enough to replenish BB main ammo?

Yes, should be. But the AKEs are at Sasebo, so are pretty close. Would like not to risk to waste 2 days to replenish because of the ops points spent to rearm those big guns. Just to be sure

[witpqs]

The question is: how further should i advance in India?

To the Suez! [:D]

[paullus99]

Get some deeply entrenched in India that you never see the invasion of the Home Islands coming!!!