OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

MakeeLearn, how about dandelion fritters and redbud flowers?

Saw a few dandelions yesterday.


So you know about redbud flowers?!! They taste like peanuts to me.

And Violets are very plentiful now too. I dont eat the Confederate Violets, they are rare.

[Wuffer]

Good news!

Cautious interim result of a mass investigation in one of the largest clusters in Germany:

14% have gone through the infection and show antibodies and not, as previously assumed, 5%.


Therefore, the death rate can be corrected considerably downwards: to about 0.37%

Yeah, this virus seemed to be a man with education and taste, as Jagger said.
German source:
https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/med ... ssion=true

[Canoerebel]

You probably are well aware, but redbud (Cercis canadensis) is a member of the legume/pea family. You're right, the flowers taste just like peanuts.

Pokeweed will be available soon.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
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Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and ...

I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

Is there some new research on this?

Because what I have read, other than outliers, is that masks should be reserved to medical staff PPE.

And non sufferers wearing them is a waste of scarce resources.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus And National Parks: What's Closed
April 8th, 2020 6:37pm

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2 ... ats-closed



I read a article yesterday that stated there was trespassing and vandalism going on in some parks.

[Encircled]

Hans is one angry man!

Anyway, those of you worrying about fresh stuff, don't

Once the initial shock of the stockpiling dies down, then it will return to normal pretty quickly.

Only thing you can't get over here now is flour and sultanas as it seems the entire UK is attempting to bake bread and cakes!

[Canoerebel]

The U. Washington site (https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany) seems to feel that Germany has a pretty strong handle on things.

[Canoerebel]

U.Washington site nailed US mortality yesterday. It seems likely that the level of confidence for models increases as additional date is incorporated. But here's hoping that a new trend will start today for under-reporting, eventually yielding a death toll significantly less than the 60k currently projected.

[MakeeLearn]

In 1600s,1700s,1800s America...

Many of the "Medicine Men" of the tribes were saying:

"We will not return as a People, but our way of life will."

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: obvert

Midlevel bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.

warspite1

Echoes of Chernobyl.....[:(]

In the Chernobyl case, the lying came from the top. That is true again. In DECEMBER it may have been local officials doing the lying. Pooh Bear is in it up to his eyeballs now.

warspite1

I'm not sure what you would call 'the top' and how the rankings of the three men convicted over Chernobyl would compare in relative terms with those Chinese officials (seemingly) suppressing the truth - at least iniitally.

The rankings of the three themselves were on different levels; Dyatlov the deputy chief engineer, his boss Formin and the director of the plant Bryukhanov.

Yes, things were covered up higher up in due course, but the start of the cover up (for the reasons stated previously about fear of the consequences) started with these three (assuming the excellent Chernobyl program to be accurate).

I am guessing of course, but I would suspect there was something similar in China when, before the (seeming) official cover up, things would likely to have needed suppressing lower down the food chain (and for the same reasons).

[warspite1]

The Swedish experiment is interesting. And now the numbers are starting to rise.....

[Canoerebel]

There have been many media stories the past ten days that the American South is taking it on the chin, including the one excerpted below. To an extent this has been reflected in here with numerous comments, contentions and viewpoints.

Turns out the contention is mostly wrong.

Georgia, our 8th most populous state, is currently 10th in mortality per million. Florida, 3rd most populous, is 21st. North Carolina, 9th most populous, is 42nd.

Louisiana is problematic: 25th most populous but 3rd highest mortality per million. And Mississippi is taking a hit: 35th but 17th highest mortality.

The other southern states are doing comparatively well, very well or about even (population rank/morality per M):

Alabama, at 24 is 26th.
Kentucky, at 26 is 24th
South Carolina, at 23 is 28th.
Tennessee, at 16 is 31st.
Arkansas, at 34 is 43rd.
Virginia, at 12 is 35th.

These numbers will fluctuate but, as they currently stand, the narrative presented has been wrong. Very wrong.

As we progress through this thing here in the US, I'm more thankful than ever that we have a federal system that somewhat pushes down power and responsibility. I'm glad my county called shots for me for a long time; then my state; and that the situation hasn't reached the point where a nationwide one-size-fits-all mandate had to be imposed.

The South is doing doggone well.

[Canoerebel]

One more example: https://undark.org/2020/03/23/in-the-am ... le-ground/

[Wuffer]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Coronavirus And National Parks: What's Closed
April 8th, 2020 6:37pm

https://www.nationalparkstraveler.org/2 ... ats-closed



I read a article yesterday that stated there was trespassing and vandalism going on in some parks.

This is what I fear most: Some a$$holes hiding in the spawning areas while killing and selling everything.

In Berlin fishing was first allowed, than banned the next day, than again allowed but only spinfishing and moving around until finally they capitulated and everything is as usual )

Friends confirmed that the huge population of the city's wild boars are in the gardens every night, while we have another severe swine flu outbreak some 200 km/miles away in western Poland. Nature strikes back.

[JohnDillworth]

There have been many media stories the past ten days that the American South is taking it on the chin, including the one excerpted below

I read the article and it seems to be about the unique threat to the age of the victims, not so much as the numbers of the victims and uses statistics to back up their assertions. Additionally, the article is over a week old, and speculative. As usual solid reporting from the Atlantic.

"The same age range in Georgia accounts for 17 percent of all deaths. By comparison, the same age group accounts for only about 10 percent of all deaths in Colorado, and 6 percent of all deaths in Washington State. These statistics suggest that middle-aged and working-age adults in the two southern states are at much greater risk than their counterparts elsewhere; for some reason, they are more likely to die from COVID-19."

[Canoerebel]

The article is wide ranging but includes assertions like this: "The coronavirus is advancing quickly across the American South." Only it hasn't, from a death/M measure.

Other articles have done the same. The media has picked up the narrative and portrayed it in that general way rather than in more narrowly confined way. They're just wrong. I wonder if anybody will simply say, "You know, that has been out there and it does appear to be wrong."

[JohnDillworth]

"You know, that has been out there and it does appear to be wrong."

So a higher percentage of young people are not dying in the south than in other parts of the country? Cite your source please

[Canoerebel]

Another quote from The Atlantic: "The slow response from those [Southern] governors will be even more ruinous in a region with so many challenges." That was with reference to many of the states we now now are doing comparatively well. Those kinds of reports helped foster the discussion in here last week about how the states were responding, with various strong expressions of opinion about Georgia and others.

Ruinous?

Based on the current data, they got it wrong.

[JohnDillworth]

"The slow response from those [Southern] governors will be even more ruinous in a region with so many challenges."

Well Louisiana let Mardi Gras go on and is reaping the whirlwind and Florida was among the last states to impose strict isolation restrictions so I think that we might want to let this play out, no? Or are you ready to declare victory for Louisiana and Florida?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I just found a nugget I thought would be too elusive for retrieval. A memory from more than 15 years ago, but I found it in the dusty archives of the internet. It flies contrary to expectations, and relates to some of our previous discussions, so here it is.

The Drudge Report (for those of you unfamiliar) posts an accumulation of links to news stories from various sources. For much of its existence it was widely perceived as right wing. But UCLA and other schools did a study (in 2003, I just learned) that rated it as centrist, of all things. Other sources (New York Times) received different ratings.

Here's the link to the study: https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_p ... eMilyo.pdf

For clarity: I am not a fan of The Drudge Report.

That paper is almost old enough to vote. I don't think it should be used in a current context.

No, things are even more extreme now. It's so obvious just reading and listening to them.