The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

what do u mean with "glutton for punishment"?

It means someone who is willing to endure great hardship when others would have given up long ago. It usually is used when someone is thought to be doing so foolishly, but you have turned that on its head and inspired the more literal use of the term in a sense of admiration.

[witpqs]

BTW, GJ, thinking over those last bunch of ground combat results, you have had a few divisions worth of squads disabled. Are you sure you want to wear down your force so much before resting them? And resting them might allow Rader to think it a plausible defense that can be reinforced.

[paullus99]

Most certainly meant to turn that phrase into one of admiration - you've seen the lowest of the lows & endured quite brutal campaigns without even a glimmer of a light at the end of the tunnel, but have turned adversity into an advantage (kicking in the back down while your opponent was guarding the front with a shotgun) and shown that through careful planning & the willingness to take a drubbing, that any situation can be turned around.

[Cap Mandrake]

Hokkaido Hurricane

Combine advice from other partygoers and Ketel One at a 2:1 ratio. Blend on high for 20 seconds. Add 2-3 shakes of Tobasco. Strain over ice and serve in a highball glass.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

BTW, GJ, thinking over those last bunch of ground combat results, you have had a few divisions worth of squads disabled. Are you sure you want to wear down your force so much before resting them? And resting them might allow Rader to think it a plausible defense that can be reinforced.

I will rest them now. I'm moving 4 divisions (the most battered ones) up to Sapporo where they will be aided by a couple of HQs. the rest will move on but won't attack for some time in order to get the majority of those disabled squad back into activity again.

However i really don't think Rader will use this halt to reinforce Hakkodate. He has already started the evacuation. I will LRCAP and keep on sending PTs and DDs to interdict this evacuation but i really think he's moving away from Okkaido

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Let me clarify: in this screenshot you cannot tell which a/c is being produced by each factory, but, as you see, my DL is only 7/10 (only 1 recon plane operated over Harbin, while the other one was repairing). If you get a DL 10/10 you can tell what kind of engine or aircraft is produced.

So i think Micheal got it right[:)]

I disagree. One-Pass Pete can tell the difference between a Mavis and a Tojo. It's a cave-in to the JFBs.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

Most certainly meant to turn that phrase into one of admiration - you've seen the lowest of the lows & endured quite brutal campaigns without even a glimmer of a light at the end of the tunnel, but have turned adversity into an advantage (kicking in the back down while your opponent was guarding the front with a shotgun) and shown that through careful planning & the willingness to take a drubbing, that any situation can be turned around.

You make me flush [:)]

Thank you Paullus...much appreciated. But as i said many times, if it's a merit, this must be shared with all of you contributors and readers of this AAR. It's because of you and your encouragements that i managed to hold on during the grimm times and it's because of you if i managed to learn enough of this game to be able to get back from the dark side and see the light again.
So i consider this a kind of a community effort[:)]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Hokkaido Hurricane

Combine advice from other partygoers and Ketel One at a 2:1 ratio. Blend on high for 20 seconds. Add 2-3 shakes of Tobasco. Strain over ice and serve in a highball glass.

And those who really knows the secret of H.H. tend to add a little "bush of grass" on the edge of the highball glass[:D]

[soticrandy]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, so for the 3rd and 4th of May we will concentrate our effort in closing once for all Harbin a/c production.

220 B-24Js will be called into action for this mission. I equally distributed my bombers towards the different targets and all the industries should be hit.

I know it's not a "juicy target"...but at least is something we can start with untill we have enough 4Es to concentrate on Honshu.

Are you targeting more than the airframe factories? Because that would make it seem like you are still ignoring Nemos advice...

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
You make me flush [:)]

Perhaps we can combine the flush with Miller's recent "makes me mad as hot piss" statement....

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

ORIGINAL: pws1225

Miller, I have no experience with any of the Japanese production, so I'll have to take your word on it, but "boils my piss" is worthy of the forum Hall of Fame!

+1

+2

I'm wondering whether the boiling is in the bladder or externally. One hopes for the latter unless we're talking about your worst enemy. [:D]

Lol, its a common saying in northern England.........the polite meaning would be "I find it very annoying"

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: soticrandy

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, so for the 3rd and 4th of May we will concentrate our effort in closing once for all Harbin a/c production.

220 B-24Js will be called into action for this mission. I equally distributed my bombers towards the different targets and all the industries should be hit.

I know it's not a "juicy target"...but at least is something we can start with untill we have enough 4Es to concentrate on Honshu.

Are you targeting more than the airframe factories? Because that would make it seem like you are still ignoring Nemos advice...

No, i'm targeting ONLY the a/c factories. The rest of the damage is what has been taken out by the Fires lit up by our first mass fire bombing a couple of weeks ago

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Let me clarify: in this screenshot you cannot tell which a/c is being produced by each factory, but, as you see, my DL is only 7/10 (only 1 recon plane operated over Harbin, while the other one was repairing). If you get a DL 10/10 you can tell what kind of engine or aircraft is produced.

So i think Micheal got it right[:)]

I disagree. One-Pass Pete can tell the difference between a Mavis and a Tojo. It's a cave in to the JFBs.

Well, i have to disagree your disagreement

A picture taken from 30k feet of an industrial facility cannot tell you what kind of a/c they are producing inside.
Recons over Peenemunde (sp?!) could not tell if the germans were producing V-2s, FW 190s, Me 109s or whatever....

[pat.casey]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Let me clarify: in this screenshot you cannot tell which a/c is being produced by each factory, but, as you see, my DL is only 7/10 (only 1 recon plane operated over Harbin, while the other one was repairing). If you get a DL 10/10 you can tell what kind of engine or aircraft is produced.

So i think Micheal got it right[:)]

I disagree. One-Pass Pete can tell the difference between a Mavis and a Tojo. It's a cave in to the JFBs.

Well, i have to disagree your disagreement

A picture taken from 30k feet of an industrial facility cannot tell you what kind of a/c they are producing inside.
Recons over Peenemunde (sp?!) could not tell if the germans were producing V-2s, FW 190s, Me 109s or whatever....

In the specific case I agree, but in the more general case WW II intelligence services were not limited to a single source of information. They were quite capable, for example, of figuring out that most of Germany's ball bearing production came out of two major sites. They were dead wrong on German industry being unable to deal with a disruption of the same, but that's another issue .

Point being I suppose that WWII bombing missions were not launched blind at "its an industrial facility somewhere near Berlin", then generlly knew what they were trying to hit from a variety of intelligence sources (humint, sigint, recon, etc).

The previous "perfect" intel was bonkers, but correcting down to "virtually no information" is equally wrong, just in the other direction imho.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: pat.casey



The previous "perfect" intel was bonkers, but correcting down to "virtually no information" is equally wrong, just in the other direction imho.

But now it's not like that. You just have to obtain a good detection level and you will know everything back again (even ho many Tojos are produced at Harbin monthly...which is quite unrealistic imho).

So i really do think this change is a good one and it doesn't favour the japs...it simply slows back an unrealistic ability the allies had before this beta

imho

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, so for the 3rd and 4th of May we will concentrate our effort in closing once for all Harbin a/c production.

220 B-24Js will be called into action for this mission. I equally distributed my bombers towards the different targets and all the industries should be hit.

I know it's not a "juicy target"...but at least is something we can start with untill we have enough 4Es to concentrate on Honshu.

This is my first look at the FOW changes from the beta, and I don't like them. I've been working Harbin over in my game, and those aircraft factories are not of equal importance by far. I disagree that Allied aerial recon, particularly by 1944, couldn't tell what model plane was coming out of each plant. I think this is yet another realized JFB whine which pushes the game into a corner it should not be pushed into.

Yes, I agree. The Allies seemed pretty good a figuring out what factories were producing what. And, they pretty much knew how much damage they were doing and were aware when the factories were being (not) repaired. I imagine a lot of other intel came into play but don't really know for sure. The Japanese did make an effort to disperse production, but that was self defeating as well as it resulted in a loss of quality controll. The FOW should be somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.

[GreyJoy]

I just realized i never told you anything more about the squadron (79th RAAF) i decided to follow.... well...since the squadron was equipped with australian Spits mkVIII and sent on the front line at PM...it never saw a single battle [:o]...Rader never contested PM, nor my air dominion on the whole NG...so our beloved unit didn't have (and won't have) any chance to see a real combat.... the mothers of those RAAF pilots will be delighted...i am less

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: pat.casey



The previous "perfect" intel was bonkers, but correcting down to "virtually no information" is equally wrong, just in the other direction imho.

But now it's not like that. You just have to obtain a good detection level and you will know everything back again (even ho many Tojos are produced at Harbin monthly...which is quite unrealistic imho).

So i really do think this change is a good one and it doesn't favour the japs...it simply slows back an unrealistic ability the allies had before this beta

imho

I agree. As much as the Allies knew, it wasn't perfect, and came with many months and years of work. The German factories are a bit different than the ones in Japan as well, just because of the long time the Allies were able to get recon and intel about them, over many years. GJ has been looking at Harbin, for instance, for less than a month, and he already knows how many aircraft are being produces, even if the types are still not discovered. That's pretty good intel if you ask me.

[crsutton]

Ok, I know we are hijacking GJs AAR, but the Doolittle raiders had specific known targets to attack when they bombed Japan in 1942. Including oil storage facilties, a steel mill and power plants. The knowledge of these targets, I assume, was gained without any sort of recon. I would suspect that the Allies had an even clearer picture of potential targets by mid 1944.

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Ok, I know we are hijacking GJs AAR, but the Doolittle raiders had specific known targets to attack when they bombed Japan in 1942. Including oil storage facilties, a steel mill and power plants. The knowledge of these targets, I assume, was gained without any sort of recon. I would suspect that the Allies had an even clearer picture of potential targets by mid 1944.

Did you watch the same movie last night my wife had on the tv while I happened to be in the same room?