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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Looks like Imphal will get some party crashers. Good luck with holding them.
Can you put any bombers at a nearby base to help out?
ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
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As most of you are no doubt aware, India has grown strong in both ground and air forces.
The Allies have begun to move further South; including fighter and bomber squadrons.
The Japanese have invaded Burma, but to date (i.e., April 27, 1942), the Japanese have not entered Ceylon, nor India.
For quite some time now, I have been training medium level bomber squadrons for ground attack and fighter squadrons for escort.
Should the Japanese invade India, to inflict the greatest damage on Japanese ground forces, do you think the "training" is appropriate or should I begin training fighter squadrons for "Sweep?"
Your comments, advice, and critiques are always appreciated.
Thank you, each of you.
Best Regards,
-Terry
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
HansBolter, I tried recently to use training Sweep at 100 feet to try advance Defensive training a little faster. To my surprise, despite the Sweep training set, the squadron trained in Strafe! I even had a recon squadron I was training at 100 feet start getting Strafe skill!
I think this came with the recent changes that lowered the minimum level for GroundB down from 5000 to 2000 feet. Now I use 1000 feet to train fighters and Recon/ASW/NavS, and 2000 feet for other bombing type skills. I only use 100 feet when I really want fighters or assault bombers to raise Strafe skill.
Maybe I misunderstood your intent - I interpreted it to mean that Sweep training would take place at 100 feet, which it does not. I was aware that Defensive skill would train faster at 100 feet and that is why I had sent planes training Recon skill down there. But that skill didn't train because the 100' level seems to be reserved for strafe training (with defensive skill as a by-product).ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
HansBolter, I tried recently to use training Sweep at 100 feet to try advance Defensive training a little faster. To my surprise, despite the Sweep training set, the squadron trained in Strafe! I even had a recon squadron I was training at 100 feet start getting Strafe skill!
I think this came with the recent changes that lowered the minimum level for GroundB down from 5000 to 2000 feet. Now I use 1000 feet to train fighters and Recon/ASW/NavS, and 2000 feet for other bombing type skills. I only use 100 feet when I really want fighters or assault bombers to raise Strafe skill.
You may be right about getting gains in strafing, but you should also be seeing significant gains in defense.
I know training at 100 ft. spurs gains in defense.
I'll grab a screenshot tonight to illustrate. My game is near the end of the month so lots of green and orange skill gain flags are present.
ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Escort at whatever height until 70 Air then Sweep at 100 until 70 Def is the running motto of training fighters, although I'd question the second part. You just don't use strafing that often in the war.Well, generally you don't use early allied fighters in any other role other than CAP/Escort, so Air/Def are the skills. But for later fighters with bombloads it might be worth it to train some other secondary skill instead of strafe like naval or ground attack. Becase Def will increase with whatever secondary skill training so the latter might as well be potentially useful.
Bombers you should specialize. There are different kinds of those, and you need very different skills and very different pilots as a result because training a universal bomber pilot is not worth it. But most will need Ground and Naval bombing anyway
Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin' [;)]ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-
Thank you for your aircraft training input.
I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.
I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.
Best Regards,
-Terry
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin' [;)]ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-
Thank you for your aircraft training input.
I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.
I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.
Best Regards,
-Terry
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin' [;)]ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo
Hans, BBfanboy, and GetAssista-
Thank you for your aircraft training input.
I will continue to train the medium level bombers for ground attack at 2,000 feet with zero range.
I will switch the fighters for sweep at 100 feet with range of 1.
Best Regards,
-Terry
There is no Sweep skill. The two skills essential to sweeps are Air (which means offensive air combat) and defense, the same skills essential for escort as there is no escort skill either.
It's simply exploiting a game mechanic to use low level training to spur gains in defense. If training sweep ay 10k spurred the kinds of gains in defense that training it at 100ft do I would be advocating training sweep at 10k.
The gains in straf are simply icing on the cake that you may or may not ever take advantage of.
Later in the war the Allies get more fighters equipped for ground attack so it seems to me to be a good investment to train straf so I have a readily available pool of pilots who can put that skill to use when planes capable of putting it to use start arriving.
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Sweep is meant to train Air skill, but at 100 feet it will train Strafe skill. There is a setting for training Strafe, so I cannot understand why the insistence on setting Sweep skill when if Air is not the target for development. As long as you get the results you plan on getting, I guess you can set whatever you wish ... just sayin' [;)]
There is no Sweep skill. The two skills essential to sweeps are Air (which means offensive air combat) and defense, the same skills essential for escort as there is no escort skill either.
It's simply exploiting a game mechanic to use low level training to spur gains in defense. If training sweep ay 10k spurred the kinds of gains in defense that training it at 100ft do I would be advocating training sweep at 10k.
The gains in straf are simply icing on the cake that you may or may not ever take advantage of.
Later in the war the Allies get more fighters equipped for ground attack so it seems to me to be a good investment to train straf so I have a readily available pool of pilots who can put that skill to use when planes capable of putting it to use start arriving.
The point I was trying to make is that if the OP wants to train AIR skill + DEFENCE skill at 100 feet, he will get the Defence but NOT THE AIR SKILL!
If he really wants to train STRAFE + DEFENCE at 100 feet, everything is fine if he uses the Sweep Training setting. It just seems less confusing to use the Strafe Training setting if that is what you want to achieve.
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Escort and Sweep both train Air Skill, which is what fighters use in combat. It does not matter which one you train them in, but you must be 1000 feet or higher to get the training because the AI will assume Strafe training if you set them at 100 feet. The low level is desirable for Defensive Skill gains, but you cannot go all the way down to 100 feet if you want to train Air Skill.
You can train bombers in any of the bombing missions - Airfield Attack, Naval Attack, etc. but be aware that 2000 feet is the minimum level for Ground B or Nav B training with bombs. If you go down to 1000 feet you get Low Ground or Low Nav training. Go down to 100 feet and you get Strafe training again, regardless of what you set as the target skill. Low level bombing is really supposed to be reserved for Assault bombers.
Of course if you want to train torpedo bombers you must select torpedoes (even if the base has none!) and Naval Attack for the training. You can go down to 1000 feet for this.
