AAR-The Italian Affair--Hoepner vs. mc3744

[pauk]

hi,

just saw your naval shipyard pool, you have plenty of points which you can use for accelerating ship arrival date. Just want be sure that you already accelerated CV's (Taiho, Kasuragi, etc).

[Gen.Hoepner]

I've already accelerated All the CVEs/CVLs and two more CVs...but for what i can see i'll get the next one in 350 days.....[:(]

Tonies should be quite better than oscarII...or at least that's what i hope[:)]

[PzB74]

ORIGINAL: pauk

Hi, my date is 7/8 42. Already passed 150 rd points for Oscar II - but arrival date is still 43-01[:@].
I guess my decision to research O II is the worst one since Abraham Lincon said "oh, i'm bored, lets go to the theatre" [;)]

Must have 155 rd points or so on OII myself....afraid that it's not going to become my lucky number either [:(]
1/43 is 6 months too late to be of any use at all since P38's and Corsairs will eat it for lunch! May as well go to the theater with Mr. B instead [:'(]

[PzB74]

I've been keeping an eye on the Taiho, she's progressing well. Do you know if 330 days means 330 days in accelerated construction mode? Forgot to follow it closely enough, but it seems to be that 2 days or so are subtracted from the completion date each day! That would have been great news - really need that ship ASAP! [:)]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

I've already accelerated All the CVEs/CVLs and two more CVs...but for what i can see i'll get the next one in 350 days.....[:(]

Tonies should be quite better than oscarII...or at least that's what i hope[:)]

[pauk]

hi, i'll take it...

shown data (in your example - 330 days) always means arrival time with normal construcion mode. So, if you turn off acceleraced production and put back in the normal Taiho will come in 330 days. If you leave on acceleraced production she will come 330/2=165 (more or less).

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

I've already accelerated All the CVEs/CVLs and two more CVs...but for what i can see i'll get the next one in 350 days.....[:(]

Tonies should be quite better than oscarII...or at least that's what i hope[:)]

hi,

you have plenty of naval shipyard points unused. You can try with accelerating other ships (CV's or BB's, DD's, its up to you) and keep an eye on naval shipyard points. If it start drain to quickly you can back construction on the normal mode again.

Just my 0.02 lires.

[Gen.Hoepner]

Yes, Thanks Pauk.

I've checked and i've already accellerated the Tahio and another CV ( which are scheldued to arrive in 330 days or something ). I'm not relying on them anyway: my KB is intact and i'll try to keep it in good shape to act as a "threatening ghost" for any allied invasion.
Got some doubts about the usefulness ( ?) of my new army fighters....i fear that he won't dare to play daylight missions with his bombers untill p-38 come out....btw, we'll see soon.

As you can see from my screenshots, i've already passed the 100 points of r&r with the A6M3a, but its date is still the same....november 42....i've leart not to give a **** anymore on the researches.....supplies wasted[:(]

[pauk]

hi, probably i was little bit unclear. I've tried to tell you that you still have enough naval shipyard points(after acc Taiho and the other one) for accelerating other CV's (like Amagi, Kasuragi...etc:)

[Gen.Hoepner]

Ah, ok[:)] I'll do it so:-)

BTW, i really think that when 43 will be reached the japanese CVs won't be anymore that important, due to their lack of AA and the superiority of allied planes, i do really put more hopes on the LBfighters. If these guys will tear down a bit the hellcats and all those nasty planes, then my carrier will probably have some chances of scoring some hits. But again....i already know that my naval assets will be doomed in few months[:(]

[String]

Imho you shouldn't write off your surface or carrier assets. As long as they exist they are still useful as a fleet in being, forcing the allies to concentrate their fleets on one target at a time. If they are sunk or destroyed the allies can run rampant wherever they want to.

Also after you get Zekes your carriers are again a bit more competetive, as the Hellcat will be the main fighter until late 44 or early 45 when the carriers get some corsairs too.

If you conserve your pilots and train some replacement squadrons in china so you can have your carrier groups at high 80's or even 90 exp levels then you can and will inflict some serious damage when you use your carriers correctly. For example hitting an allied invasion force after it has been attacking your bases for a few days, depleting its aircraft and pilots because of your LBA opposition. Striking then, when his pilots are fatigued can yield good results if you still have very experienced pilots. Granted, your airgroups will also be depleted after that but hopefully you have inflicted enough damage to prevent him chasing down the majority of your carriers.. so they can escape and retrain their squadrons to fight another day. As long as you have isolated chinese units in china you will have an easy time training up your squadrons with ground attack. Training from rookie 30 pilots to solid 60's will only take a week or two.. To superb 80's it will take a lot more.. a few months, but still its better than nothing [;)]

[Gen.Hoepner]

Thanks String, that' exactly what i want to do. I'll try to post some screeshots of my carrier air groups as soon as my opponent will send the next turn.
BTW, if i remember well , the bombers and torpedo bombers are in quite a good shape. Most of them are above 85 exp and their numbers are not so much depleded. Different thing for the zero groups: here i suffered some heavy losses during the battles at Darwin, PM and nanoumea Atoll. I used the Mogami method to fullfull the groups that suffered too many losses, but their experience is around 75 average. I'm training some 70 zeros in the PI at the moment. They are carrier capable daitais, so, as soon they reach 80 exp they will disbanded in the carrier trained groups.
When the Operation Timor will be ended, hopefully by the end of August-fist mid sept, i will reorganize completely my carriers fleet, sending some CVs back to Japan for upgrades and sending some air groups to the PI for training program.
I want to be ready with all my CVs, full of exp pilots , by the beginning of 43, when the allies will start to advance in mass....

[PzB74]

I've noticed that the Taiho is being produced at accelerated 115 while my Katsuragi cv's are accelerated 75.
Does this mean that they're being produced at 115 and 75% above normal production speed?

If this is true the Taiho will arrive in early 43 and the Katsuragis in mid 43! This would be most excellent.
I could have 10 fleet and 4 light carriers by mid 43 - and this would enable me to fight mano el mano with the yank birdfarms that year.

ORIGINAL: pauk

hi, i'll take it...

shown data (in your example - 330 days) always means arrival time with normal construcion mode. So, if you turn off acceleraced production and put back in the normal Taiho will come in 330 days. If you leave on acceleraced production she will come 330/2=165 (more or less).

[String]

ORIGINAL: PzB

I've noticed that the Taiho is being produced at accelerated 115 while my Katsuragi cv's are accelerated 75.
Does this mean that they're being produced at 115 and 75% above normal production speed?

If this is true the Taiho will arrive in early 43 and the Katsuragis in mid 43! This would be most excellent.
I could have 10 fleet and 4 light carriers by mid 43 - and this would enable me to fight mano el mano with the yank birdfarms that year.

ORIGINAL: pauk

hi, i'll take it...

shown data (in your example - 330 days) always means arrival time with normal construcion mode. So, if you turn off acceleraced production and put back in the normal Taiho will come in 330 days. If you leave on acceleraced production she will come 330/2=165 (more or less).

it's just that the Taiho has greater durability than the Katsuragis..

[pauk]

just to add, AFIAK ships with greater durability costs more naval shipyard points.

(Taiho 115 NS P, Kasuragies 75 per turn/normal production rate)

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/06/42

The first 2 Chutais have been upgraded to Tonies at Palembang and Bankok. Tomorrow one Sentai(36) will be upgraded at Truk.
Baker and Thursday Island AF level 4.....that worries me. Put out all the bombers from Tarawa and Wewak, knowing that soon his bombers will begin to hit my AFs during the night[:@]
4 more days and the operation Timor will begin.


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TF 1010 encounters mine field at Darwin (36,84)

Allied Ships
SS S-47, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage*sinks*

Cool....my sub mines strike back[8D]

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Night Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 16


No Allied losses

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Moulmein , at 29,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 33
Wellington III x 3
Hudson I x 18
IL-4c x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15 Babs: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:

I'm getting ready for a night strike over Ledo....hope the weather won't screw my plans as usual

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[AmiralLaurent]

I noticed you have 76000+ merchant points in the pool. That means you can accelerate a lot of merchant ships and AUX or you can shut down all merchant shipyards (don't know if this is possible in WITP) for 75 days and save 3000 HI points each day.

[Gen.Hoepner]

Thanks Amiral, I've already accelerated everything i could except for AP/AKs

Another quite day.
The only action took place, as always in Burma, where the allied intelligence prooved its efficacy, striking at night the exact airport i've planned to use for my bombing mission.....17 planes destroyed on the ground and many more damaged...but, at the first lights of the new day, my guys striked back and smashed 44 allied bombers at Imphal....quite close to 4-1 ratio . I evacuated everything i could from there as soon as my planes came back, 'cause i know he's going to bomb the heck out of that AF....cat and mouse goes on.
the first 12 tonies are ready to fight at Bankok ( exp 80)

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/07/42

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Night Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 18


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
12 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 40
Wellington III x 6
Martin 139 x 4
Hudson I x 24
IL-4c x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 destroyed, 14 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 11 destroyed, 20 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

His night strike at Yunan cought my guys sleeping...


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But the next morning....

Day Air attack on Imphal , at 33,26

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 70
Ki-49 Helen x 24
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 19 destroyed, 15 damaged
Blenheim IV: 18 destroyed, 34 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 7 destroyed, 19 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
Martin 139: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
SB-2c: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 67

Very good result indeed...if only the weather in this ugly part of the world would be more stable...
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[Gen.Hoepner]

Two more little night action turns....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/08/42

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Night Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Heavy Industry hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 21
Hudson I x 12


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:

Was already written that he would have retaliate here...evacuated:)

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Night Air attack on Chengtu , at 41,29


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 25


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
8 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
6 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Moulmein , at 29,35


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 6
Martin 139 x 4
IL-4c x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet


WOW....he tries to bomb every single AF in range of his bases in Burma/India...it's clear that he 's a bit scared[:D]
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Night Air attack on Pagan , at 31,31


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 6


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IF bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Lunga , at 67,97


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 22


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
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TF 151 encounters mine field at Palembang (20,55)


Japanese Ships
MSW Senyu Maru #2
MSW Choun Maru #7


Mines everywhere[:@][:@]
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TF 6 encounters mine field at Singapore (23,50)

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 1

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TF 126 encounters mine field at Palembang (20,55)

Japanese Ships
MSW Banshu Maru #56
MSW Atsu Maru

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Day Air attack on Myitkyina , at 36,28


Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 75
P-40E Warhawk x 19
I-153c x 35


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
17 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
15 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
17 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 36,28


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 11
Beaufort I x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
8 x Blenheim I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 5000 feet
5 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 36,28


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 9
Beaufort V-IX x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Beaufort I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Beaufort V-IX bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 56,94


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 121


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
171 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
14 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
11 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
9 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
15 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
10 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
5 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 5000 feet
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/09/42

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Night Air attack on Hanoi , at 36,37


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 7


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 22
Hudson I x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:

He gets one of the still damaged a/c from the last raid

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Night Air attack on Moulmein , at 29,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 4
Martin 139 x 4
IL-4c x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15 Babs: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged


Runway hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x IL-4c bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
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Night Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29

from Reaghen[:)]

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 19
Ki-49 Helen x 6

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 1 damaged
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB-2c: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 6000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

Just to let him know i'm well alive!
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Night Air attack on Lunga , at 67,97


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 19


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Hudson I bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on Myitkyina , at 36,28


Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 62
P-40E Warhawk x 19
I-153c x 34


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 29

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
16 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
16 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
15 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
15 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x I-153c bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mohawk IV bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Myitkyina , at 36,28


Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 22
Buffalo I x 32
P-40E Warhawk x 42


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
16 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
19 x Fulmar bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
21 x P-40E Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Fulmar bombing at 2000 feet
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60 Oscars have been upgraded to tonies so far...With Tojos i have some problem 'cause i only produce 55 for the moment and have one sentai in the PI still recieving planes and one "organizing" at Hiroshima ( should have come today[:(])

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/10/42


Nothing to report today.
The chinese are fleeing from Sining, their last city, moving along the jungle trying to get to India. Tomorrow my invicta troops will march trough it and the flag of Mikado will be up all over China!
Big problems related with fuel at Sosarbja: Op.Timor is delayed again[:(], cause my main carriers are completely out of gas[:@]

[Gen.Hoepner]

So the moment has finally come.
The americans are launching the first offensive operation in Southern Pacific.
My bombers on patrol duty from Rabaul spotted an enemy TF some miles south of Gili Gili.
The betties were not able to find the target but at least 4 ships have been spotted. The speed in unknown, so i do not know if is a Fast trasport or a normal invasion TF.
My defences have been allerted. 5 betty daitais are ready at Rabaul, supported by 50 zeros and 36 oscars. 22 nells are at Munda with 19 A6M3s.
The carriers i left at Truk have been mobilized( 228 combat planes with them ) along with 2 BBs,3CAs an 4CLs. 20 DDs will support the carrier group.
At Rabaul the South Sea Det. is loading on a 20 Ship TF ready to make a counterlanding.
At Rabaul a Surface TF composed of 1CLs and 5 DDs is ready to come into action.

Now, for sure the enemy brought in his 3 carriers. He doesn't have any near base to cover the invasion with LBCAP.
At Gili Gili only 1 Naval garrison, with no supplies( due to the constat bombing of 200 B-17s), will try to defend the place. Some 1200 mines should help a bit.
I hope my LBbombers will score some hits, so that when my carriers will be ready on the theatre ( 3/4 days i guess), the enemy should be already in trouble.
This battle is going to be bloody, i know, but if i lose gili gili, then my whole souther perimeter will be in danger!

Side note:
China is now a Japanese Dominion
Sining Has finally Fallen!