Got a minor variant of that behaviour here recently. Sad to see it. [:(] But glad that they were glad. [:)] (Even) Sadder to see the morons behaviour when they are mad. [:@]
All things Football (soccer) related
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
So a lot of clamouring for Jose’s head. Well they may be right BUT........
So we get someone new......and?
Firstly, remember many of these players failed Poch in his last two seasons - if these players were rubbish for Poch and now rubbish for a man who has never failed to win trophies, then why does anyone believe they will suddenly be good enough for someone new? How much evidence is needed?
Dier, Alli, Winks, Sissoko, Aurier, Alderweirald, Sanchez, Lamela - just not good enough. Great pass from Kane last night and Alli completely missed the ball.....
Newcomers have flopped too - Doherty, Bergwijn, Vinicius,
Lo Celso, Reguillon, N’Dombele, Lucas show promise on ocassion but disappear or make too many mistakes too often
There is something wrong with this group of players. Very wrong. I cannot - and don’t - beleve that Jose is telling them to play this way, anymore than Poch did. Different managers - same football since 2017-18 season.
I would rather Levy save the money on Jose and give him funds to re-build and kick out the deadwood and accept the massive loss in doing so.
Harry Kane deserves to be at a club that can give him Champions League football and trophies. It would be an act of kindness to let him go if he wants to. Hate to see him go but hate that such a wonderful player is play8ng with this dross every week.
I hate football.
So we get someone new......and?
Firstly, remember many of these players failed Poch in his last two seasons - if these players were rubbish for Poch and now rubbish for a man who has never failed to win trophies, then why does anyone believe they will suddenly be good enough for someone new? How much evidence is needed?
Dier, Alli, Winks, Sissoko, Aurier, Alderweirald, Sanchez, Lamela - just not good enough. Great pass from Kane last night and Alli completely missed the ball.....
Newcomers have flopped too - Doherty, Bergwijn, Vinicius,
Lo Celso, Reguillon, N’Dombele, Lucas show promise on ocassion but disappear or make too many mistakes too often
There is something wrong with this group of players. Very wrong. I cannot - and don’t - beleve that Jose is telling them to play this way, anymore than Poch did. Different managers - same football since 2017-18 season.
I would rather Levy save the money on Jose and give him funds to re-build and kick out the deadwood and accept the massive loss in doing so.
Harry Kane deserves to be at a club that can give him Champions League football and trophies. It would be an act of kindness to let him go if he wants to. Hate to see him go but hate that such a wonderful player is play8ng with this dross every week.
I hate football.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
I second that. [:(]ORIGINAL: warspite1
I hate football.
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
ORIGINAL: Orm
I second that. [:(]ORIGINAL: warspite1
I hate football.
I err third that...
What a stupid sport.
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
ORIGINAL: warspite1
So a lot of clamouring for Jose’s head. Well they may be right BUT........
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he's got to go, remember we are still waiting for the standard toxic 3rd season under him. I agree its more systemic than just him but someone is sending out Spurs to be ultra-defensive (which they lack the players for) when their best part of the team is the attack against an Arsenal side that struggles to defend under pressure.
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warspite1ORIGINAL: loki100
ORIGINAL: warspite1
So a lot of clamouring for Jose’s head. Well they may be right BUT........
...
he's got to go, remember we are still waiting for the standard toxic 3rd season under him. I agree its more systemic than just him but someone is sending out Spurs to be ultra-defensive (which they lack the players for) when their best part of the team is the attack against an Arsenal side that struggles to defend under pressure.
Maybe, but then we dish out £30m or whatever it is, and what? We are still left with a core of thoroughly useless - and I mean that in all seriousness - players.
And we have no money to re-build the team.
I'd still love to understand what happened in 2018. What turned an attractive, hard working young team into a bunch of crabs, for whom passing sideways and backwards in their own half for 90 mins was the goal.
I wish I knew the answers - hell, in the case of Spurs I wish I understood the flippin' question.
Obvious question: How much was Mourinho involved in keeping Dele Alli? I mean it HAS to be clear to anyone, that that guy has, for whatever reason, peaked. His career as a top player is done. Whatever he had has now gone. That is clearly obvious to Jose - who at least had the bottle to stop picking him (which Poch never did). But then why didn't he go in January? If he is THAT useless - and he is (I mean a professional footballer completely missing the ball when under no real pressure is pathetic) and you refuse most weekends to even have him in the squad - then who is keeping his over inflated salary at the club? PSG wanted him - so why not get rid? Jose or Levy?
Its beyond me but its just so..... Spurs. Spurs can't buy a trophy so they hire a man who has never been at a club and not won at least two major trophies... and can you guess the punchline?
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
no easy answers, but the Mourinho 'style' really is not going to get us anywhere. This was always the risk (as with Grahem) that if it went wrong there was never going to be any residual tolerance.
clearly something went really wrong in the second half of the 2018-19 season. The first half was high-Poch, for little its worth (& its worth very little), have two vague suspicions. One is in the end the Poch approach just knackered them and that was the moment it hit? The other is Poch wrote off the league for the CL and they never managed to regain the momentum? Add on any fall out from Poch's not exactly well judged book? Or his team management for the CL final?
My view would be lets gamble again on a young manager with a reputation to make. We might get Pcch #2 (ok we might get Gross #2). And as you say above, sell Kane (he deserves to win club based trophies) and reinvest as with the Bale money. My instinct is there are quite a few clubs heading for financial trouble in the next year so having cash in hand might allow us to buy well.
Agree about a wide-spread clear out but only Kane would bring serious money. Son would be valuable but it would be a case of buying a player who does have hot and cold streaks and relatively little resale value in say 3 years?
clearly something went really wrong in the second half of the 2018-19 season. The first half was high-Poch, for little its worth (& its worth very little), have two vague suspicions. One is in the end the Poch approach just knackered them and that was the moment it hit? The other is Poch wrote off the league for the CL and they never managed to regain the momentum? Add on any fall out from Poch's not exactly well judged book? Or his team management for the CL final?
My view would be lets gamble again on a young manager with a reputation to make. We might get Pcch #2 (ok we might get Gross #2). And as you say above, sell Kane (he deserves to win club based trophies) and reinvest as with the Bale money. My instinct is there are quite a few clubs heading for financial trouble in the next year so having cash in hand might allow us to buy well.
Agree about a wide-spread clear out but only Kane would bring serious money. Son would be valuable but it would be a case of buying a player who does have hot and cold streaks and relatively little resale value in say 3 years?
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Changing managers when things go badly, usually only have one effect, in my humble opinion, and that is that the situation goes from bad to worse.
To bad that one can not sack underperforming players. [:(]
To bad that one can not sack underperforming players. [:(]
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often students, for heaven's sake. - Terry Pratchett
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
A government is a body of people; usually, notably, ungoverned. - Quote from Firefly
RE: All things Football (soccer) related
ORIGINAL: Orm
Changing managers when things go badly, usually only have one effect, in my humble opinion, and that is that the situation goes from bad to worse.
To bad that one can not sack underperforming players. [:(]
yeah, but Mourinho has basically wrecked a club that already had plenty of problems. Today being a classic of what he offers these days.
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Its an interesting one. Has he really wrecked the club?
Possibly, but I think with that set of players anyone would be struggling to get a decent tune out of them.
Remember, take out the hugely lucky run to the CL final and what did Spurs actually achieve in Poch's last two years? All the numbers, all the stats were heading south.... and quickly.
The player discontent didn't start with Mourinho either. There was all the bad small around Jan and Toby and Eriksen started his bid for freedom with Poch in charge.
That group of players (Sir Harry and to Son aside) have largely been playing the same brand of static, sideways and backwards football for three years.
Was Mourinho telling them to play the way they have this year?
I just don't know to be honest, but Son's reaction yesterday said a lot. If Harry goes, does Son really want (or deserve) to be playing with that bunch of nobodies next year - and for who? No CL and almost certainly no Europa League.
What manager is going to want to come in and try and succeed where Poch and Mourinho have failed - and this time sans Harry? There is no money for any new players.
It is truly difficult to understand what has happened to Sanchez, Dier has never been great but his mistakes this year have been laughable. Tanganga hasn't progressed, Alderweirald should never have been offered that extension, Davies is solid enough but that's about the best you can say, Doherty has been abysmal - what a defence.
The midfield, Ndombele aside, is erm.... garbage and even the Frenchman has hardly shone in the last month or so.
Lets not talk about Bergwijn or Alli.
Good job I don't support them. Come on Fulham... er Torquay... er Exeter... er Plymouth....er Sheffield Wednesday.... goodness I really know how to pick 'em don't I?
What a sad, sad state of affairs.
Possibly, but I think with that set of players anyone would be struggling to get a decent tune out of them.
Remember, take out the hugely lucky run to the CL final and what did Spurs actually achieve in Poch's last two years? All the numbers, all the stats were heading south.... and quickly.
The player discontent didn't start with Mourinho either. There was all the bad small around Jan and Toby and Eriksen started his bid for freedom with Poch in charge.
That group of players (Sir Harry and to Son aside) have largely been playing the same brand of static, sideways and backwards football for three years.
Was Mourinho telling them to play the way they have this year?
I just don't know to be honest, but Son's reaction yesterday said a lot. If Harry goes, does Son really want (or deserve) to be playing with that bunch of nobodies next year - and for who? No CL and almost certainly no Europa League.
What manager is going to want to come in and try and succeed where Poch and Mourinho have failed - and this time sans Harry? There is no money for any new players.
It is truly difficult to understand what has happened to Sanchez, Dier has never been great but his mistakes this year have been laughable. Tanganga hasn't progressed, Alderweirald should never have been offered that extension, Davies is solid enough but that's about the best you can say, Doherty has been abysmal - what a defence.
The midfield, Ndombele aside, is erm.... garbage and even the Frenchman has hardly shone in the last month or so.
Lets not talk about Bergwijn or Alli.
Good job I don't support them. Come on Fulham... er Torquay... er Exeter... er Plymouth....er Sheffield Wednesday.... goodness I really know how to pick 'em don't I?
What a sad, sad state of affairs.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
sure its not just Mourinho, as you say that CL final masked an awful lot of mediocrity (though some could be explained by a bad sequence of injuries and the farce of playing at Wembley).
but its like with Grahem when things (perfectly predictably) went wrong there was no store of good will so very hard to see how to stop things just getting worse.
So can the current Spurs squad play free flowing football against all comers - no clearly not. But its a damn sight better than West Ham's and a fair chunk of that has to be down to Mourinho.
So what now? get rid of Mourinho, invest the Kane+Son money, really its going back 7-8 years to when Spurs had to overpay to try and attract decent players, bring in someone new and hope we get lucky? Not much of a business plan for paying for Levy's stadium but a lot of this mess is on him - he rightly gets the praise for when his choices work out.
as to who to support? Well the Highland League is back again, Brora are top and have just knocked Hearts out of the cup. So imagine Norwich losing away at ... well its hard to think of the equivalent. Edinburgh and immediate region (sort of .5 million), Brora and the linked crofting communities (prob 2,500)
but its like with Grahem when things (perfectly predictably) went wrong there was no store of good will so very hard to see how to stop things just getting worse.
So can the current Spurs squad play free flowing football against all comers - no clearly not. But its a damn sight better than West Ham's and a fair chunk of that has to be down to Mourinho.
So what now? get rid of Mourinho, invest the Kane+Son money, really its going back 7-8 years to when Spurs had to overpay to try and attract decent players, bring in someone new and hope we get lucky? Not much of a business plan for paying for Levy's stadium but a lot of this mess is on him - he rightly gets the praise for when his choices work out.
as to who to support? Well the Highland League is back again, Brora are top and have just knocked Hearts out of the cup. So imagine Norwich losing away at ... well its hard to think of the equivalent. Edinburgh and immediate region (sort of .5 million), Brora and the linked crofting communities (prob 2,500)
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Even I, a guy uninterested in soccer (except for the National Team, go Azzurri! [:)]) know that Mourinho was the most hated guy in Inter Milan by Inter Milan supporters the year he led Inter Milan to win the Italian Championship ("Serie A"), the "Coppa Italia" and the Champions League (2010). As I said, I don't follow football, but I could only think "Boy, what did he do??? [&:]"ORIGINAL: loki100
yeah, but Mourinho has basically wrecked a club that already had plenty of problems. Today being a classic of what he offers these days.
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When Mourinho was coach of Real Madrid he was the same troublemaker. He managed to beat Guardiola's Barcelona and won the Liga and King´s Cup, but the madridist supporters couldn't stand his cockiness at the press conferences and TV interviews. Of course, the rest of the spanish football supporters hated him. In Barcelona was like a public enemy to the people.
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related
So the new MLS season has just opened. Here are a couple of decent strikes from the opening games...
Houston Dynamo 2 San Jose Earthquakes 1
This is Paul Marie's consolation goal for the Earthquakes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz6T1VjU8lc
Seattle Sounders 4 Minnesota United 0
João Paulo opens the scoring...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9kBW9xePjc&t=3s
Finally, yep.... some stadium porn....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhuSy6FjBp0
Best wishes,
Steve
Houston Dynamo 2 San Jose Earthquakes 1
This is Paul Marie's consolation goal for the Earthquakes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz6T1VjU8lc
Seattle Sounders 4 Minnesota United 0
João Paulo opens the scoring...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9kBW9xePjc&t=3s
Finally, yep.... some stadium porn....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhuSy6FjBp0
Best wishes,
Steve
I love the smell of TOAW in the morning...
RE: All things Football (soccer) related
I love the smell of TOAW in the morning...
RE: All things Football (soccer) related
Well that's erm.... struggling to find the right words? Cynical, avaricious, disgusting, unacceptable, morally indefensible, insulting, outrageous....
No I was not referring to the quality Abba song, but the announcement of a European Super League.
Talking is one thing but if these clubs have actually signed off on their intention to go ahead with this plan then they all need sanctioning from their national leagues and UEFA (which won't happen of course because those bodies need these clubs back in the fold).
Personally I don't think the players can be blamed (as they have existing contracts) so they shouldn't stop them playing for their national teams (at least in the short term).
But all clubs who have signed up to this abomination should be refused entry to European competition for next season and each deducted 20 points for this season with any titles won to be taken from them and given to the next highest placed team. So Brentford win the Carabao and Leicester win the FA Cup. Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds or Villa can represent England in the Champions League next season.
As a football fan this European (joke - it's three nations) Super League is totally unacceptable.
Presumably the timing was a clumsy way to try and force UEFA's hand ahead of their announcement about the Champions League (due today)? If so, then they have seriously mis-judged the mood of the football world.
I suspect UEFA will go ahead meaning that either the money-grabbing trolls will have to back down having had their bluff called OR, they are actually serious in their intention to try and force this through. If the latter then European football is now in Civil War. If so then, as much as I love my club, I hope they lose. The future of European football is at stake here and these avaricious trolls who care only for money need to be beaten in such a way that no one tries this again.
No I was not referring to the quality Abba song, but the announcement of a European Super League.
Talking is one thing but if these clubs have actually signed off on their intention to go ahead with this plan then they all need sanctioning from their national leagues and UEFA (which won't happen of course because those bodies need these clubs back in the fold).
Personally I don't think the players can be blamed (as they have existing contracts) so they shouldn't stop them playing for their national teams (at least in the short term).
But all clubs who have signed up to this abomination should be refused entry to European competition for next season and each deducted 20 points for this season with any titles won to be taken from them and given to the next highest placed team. So Brentford win the Carabao and Leicester win the FA Cup. Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Leeds or Villa can represent England in the Champions League next season.
As a football fan this European (joke - it's three nations) Super League is totally unacceptable.
Presumably the timing was a clumsy way to try and force UEFA's hand ahead of their announcement about the Champions League (due today)? If so, then they have seriously mis-judged the mood of the football world.
I suspect UEFA will go ahead meaning that either the money-grabbing trolls will have to back down having had their bluff called OR, they are actually serious in their intention to try and force this through. If the latter then European football is now in Civil War. If so then, as much as I love my club, I hope they lose. The future of European football is at stake here and these avaricious trolls who care only for money need to be beaten in such a way that no one tries this again.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
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well the idea that either Spurs or Arsenal deserve a place in the supposedly 12 best teams in Europe is beyond parody.
but yes, for all 12 the only sensible solution is a comprehensive pts deduction for this season (say 40pts - that should encourage those 2 to actually win a few games) and removal from any domestic/european cup competitions
but yes, for all 12 the only sensible solution is a comprehensive pts deduction for this season (say 40pts - that should encourage those 2 to actually win a few games) and removal from any domestic/european cup competitions
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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Well that's erm.... struggling to find the right words? Cynical, avaricious, disgusting, unacceptable, morally indefensible, insulting, outrageous....
Susie Dent nailed it. The word you are looking for is ingordigiousness - extreme greed, an insatiable desire for wealth at any cost.
Best wishes,
Steve
I love the smell of TOAW in the morning...
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warspite1ORIGINAL: loki100
well the idea that either Spurs or Arsenal deserve a place in the supposedly 12 best teams in Europe is beyond parody.
Agreed - an absolute joke - but it's a shame that this point about Spurs not deserving a place keeps being raised. It's a shame because it detracts from the real issue. If any clubs deserve a place in a super league based on history, merit, trophies won, etc etc then Manchester United and Liverpool are the two English clubs that can say they deserve it. But its not the point. The problem is what this 'super league' means, and the total betrayal of every club in European football no matter how big or small. This is a closed shop and its totally unacceptable.
Now Maitland, now's your time!
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815
Duke of Wellington to 1st Guards Brigade - Waterloo 18 June 1815