Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Vici Supreme]

Hi Dragon029 and KLAB,

I'm fully aware that "Frazor" at this point is only a popular rumour. My intend here was to apply some uniformity to the database as both DB entries use a wild mix of prototype designation, production designation and/or NATO code. Because of the fact DB#2322 already uses "Frazor", I assumed that the DB editors already had moved beyond the question of wether to use the specific designation or not. I do not claim absolute certainty on any of my suggestions and in the end it's up to them to make the suggested changes or not. I'll remove both suggestions until more info becomes available.

Supreme

[KC45]

Japanese AAM-4B should have more seeker range than AIM-120's. Because AAM-4 have AESA radar seeker.
http://aviationweek.com/awin/japan-upgr ... m-4-japg-2

The crucial claim was that the AAM-4B could switch to autonomous guidance at a 40% greater range than either of the other two missiles and would similarly outperform what was expected to be the 2009 standard of the Russian R-77 (AA-12 Adder). In a 2010 paper, the ministry attributed the seeker's greater performance to the higher transmitting power available from the AESA.

http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/ ... shi/19.pdf (Japanese resource)
40% greater so around 7nm range?

I confirmed ASM-3 starts the service from 2019. Development and testing done in Jan 2018.
http://www.jwing.net/news/7174 (Japanese reference)
I request removing IR seeker from ASM-3. no reference showing ASM-3 has IIR seeker(ASM-2 has). And have INS/GPS mid-course guidance.
JASDF now has ASM-2. ASM-2B and ASM-3 as ASM.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ssile.html
ASM-3 launched from high and low altitude capable.

[KC45]

Additional reference for AAM-4B
The 3rd page of the PDF there is a chart. I put some transulation below.
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/ ... shi/19.pdf

There is compare of stand-off range and autonomous guidance (seeker range) range. This is Japanese official policy assessment, so I'm sure this is the data we can trust.

Build 998.15 makes more importance of missile's seeker range. That's why I put this here.

The missiles are AAM-4,AAM-4B,AIM-120B,AIM-120B+(AIM-120C-5),AA-12,AA-12PD

[Scorpion86]

Hi there! I recently found a treasure trove of official Portuguese Air Force documents about our F-16 MLU fighters. That, combined with research on the Romanian aquisition of our surplus F-16 MLU, resulted in a number of changes to my previous requests about these aircraft! As a result, I submit here my ammended requests, complete with sources. All alterations are bolded and italicized.

Corrections:

#1061 – F-16A Falcon

- Service years: 1994 - 2013
- Should be of the “Block 15 OCU” variant
- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L

- Missing loadouts:
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... acoes.html
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html

#3430 – F-16B Falcon

- Service years: 1994 - 2013
- Should be of the “Block 15 OCU” variant
- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L

- Missing loadouts:
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article3.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... acoes.html
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html

#1235 – F-16AM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16

- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120B AMRAAM loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L

- Missing loadouts:
--- AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM
--- AN/AAQ-28(V)6 LITENING AT Block 2 pod
--- GBU-12
--- GBU-49
--- GBU-31
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchiv ... l?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/2 ... l2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/a ... -f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... 15133.html
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... os_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... 0Silva.pdf
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/adva ... system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf

#3431 – F-16BM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16

- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- Remove the AIM-7 Sparrow and AIM-120B AMRAAM loadouts
- The Portuguese Air Force uses the AIM-9L-1 Sidewinder instead of the AIM-9L

- Missing loadouts:
--- AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM
--- AN/AAQ-28(V)6 LITENING AT Block 2 pod
--- GBU-12
--- GBU-49
--- GBU-31
--- AGM-65B/G Maverick
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchiv ... l?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/2 ... l2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/a ... -f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... 15133.html
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... os_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... 0Silva.pdf
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/adva ... system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf

The Romanian MLUs and the Portuguese MLUs should have the same capabilities as the Romanian aircraft are ex-Portuguese Air Force warplanes, upgraded by a Portuguese company, OGMA.

#4402 – F-16AM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16

- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- The AMRAAM should be the AIM-120C-5, not the AIM-120C-7
- The targeting pod should be the AN/AAQ-33 Sniper ATP, not the Litening II pod
- This aircraft uses the AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod
- The Romanian Air Force only uses the GBU-12, not the GBU-49

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchiv ... l?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/2 ... l2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/a ... -f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... 15133.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... os_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... 0Silva.pdf
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2015-05 ... -16-Fleets
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/adva ... system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf
http://bsad.roec.biz/portfolio-item/f16 ... air-force/

#4403 – F-16BM Falcon MLU

- Avionics:
---Radar: APG-66(V)2
---RWR: SPS-1000-V5
---Counter-measures: Terma ACMDS
---Datalink: LINK-16

- Should have the F100-PW-220E engine
- The AMRAAM should be the AIM-120C-5, not the AIM-120C-7
- The targeting pod should be the AN/AAQ-33 Sniper ATP, not the Litening II pod
- This aircraft uses the AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod
- The Romanian Air Force only uses the GBU-12, not the GBU-49

Sources:
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article2.html
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchiv ... l?d=147539
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-18
http://www.emfa.pt/www/mobile/unidade-18
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2014/07/2 ... l2014.html
http://www.passarodeferro.com/2013/11/a ... -f-16.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... 15133.html
http://passarodeferro-operations.blogsp ... os_16.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... 0Silva.pdf
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2015-05 ... -16-Fleets
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... TII_VF.pdf
https://www.terma.com/media/291446/adva ... system.pdf
http://elbitsystems.com/media/SPS-1000V-5.pdf
http://bsad.roec.biz/portfolio-item/f16 ... air-force/

Requests:

- Vought A-7P (’82-’90)

- A-7A airframes refurbished with A-7D/E avionics
- Has a P&W TF30-P-408 engine
- Retains the 2 Colt Mk12 20mm cannons
- Has refuelling probe

- Avionics:
--- Terrain-following radar: AN/APQ-126
--- RWR: AN/ALR-46
--- Counter-measures: [REMOVED]

- Armament:
--- AIM-9P
--- AGM-65B/G
--- Mk82/83/84 bomb
--- BAP-100 anti-runway bomb
--- BL755 cluster bomb
--- Mk20 Rockeye
--- LAU-5002 (6 x CRV7) rocket pod
--- LAU-5003 (19 x CRV7) rocket pod

Sources:
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/201 ... ii_57.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7P_Corsair_II

- Vought A-7P (’91-’99)

- The same as the previous entry, except where otherwise noted

- Avionics upgraded to:
--- RWR: SPS-1000 (replacing the AN/ALR-46)
--- Countermeasures: AN/ALE-40

- Additional armament:
--- AIM-9L-1
--- AN/ALQ-131(V)2 ECM pod

Sources:
http://walkarounds-blog.blogspot.pt/201 ... ii_57.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_A-7P_Corsair_II

- Alpha Jet A (’92-…)

- Ex-German aircraft, identical to #65, except where noted.

- Avionics:
---RWR: SPS-1000
---Counter-measures: AN/ALE-40

- Uses CRV7 rockets instead of SNEB.
- The “BL.755 CB, Heavy, Multi-Store Rack” loadout cannot use drop tanks, as the BL.755 cannot be used in multi-store racks.

Sources:
http://www.emfa.pt/www/aeronave-4-dassa ... -alpha-jet
http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/eur ... a-jet.html
https://comum.rcaap.pt/bitstream/10400. ... TII_VF.pdf

Once again, thank you for your continued attention and effort!

[BDukes]

Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

First ship was 507 Alexander Obukhov. IOC 2017-18

https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... s-vessels/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandri ... inesweeper

Thank




Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/rus ... pabilities

[KC45]

Additional reference for F-15J with Link16
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/yosan/2009/yosan.pdf (2009's Defense Budget of Japanese Ministry of Defence.)

[KC45]

Japanese JASDF and Korean ROKAF choose RQ-4B blk 30(i).
This is improved version of blk30 but I coudn't find the part they improved. but still I will request change its name for RQ-4B blk30 to 30(i).
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... rk-453796/
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/go ... d-aircraft
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/re ... d-aircraft
https://dod.defense.gov/News/Contracts/ ... e/1694434/

[KC45]

Addtional request,
Armed techinical MLRS and OECM vehicle for generic side.

Now there are tons of varietion of technical inclde MLRS. There are also SAM and AT variants and more so adding these makes more interesting in these days conflict.
https://21stcenturyasianarmsrace.com/20 ... -launcher/ (here is source)
https://i.redd.it/fqpthrg3s5v11.jpg (worth to see for add new units, because they are real units)

And Vehicle with OECM for generic side is the unit worth to add I belive.

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: BDukes

Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/rus ... pabilities

Second attempt to add 12700

Previous approaches:
fb.asp?m=4309815
and
fb.asp?m=4310875

[stilesw]

Scorpion86,

Many thanks for providing the "Treasure Trove" of reference material about your F-16 MLU fighters. I've added it to the CMANO unofficial Dropbox reference library.

This library has three sections:
1. Reference Material,
2. Lua Code samples,
3. Illustrated Guides.

Currently there are over 300 items in the library with 71 members. Any forum member who does not have access to this Dropbox library and would like to be added to the access list may send me a PM with a current email address and I'll add you.


-Wayne Stiles

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: Filitch

ORIGINAL: BDukes

Please add Russia Alexandrit (Project 12700)-class mine-countermeasures vessels (MCMVs) and Seascan MK.2 UUV's

Good data on UUV's used

https://www.janes.com/article/82719/rus ... pabilities

Second attempt to add 12700

Previous approaches:
fb.asp?m=4309815
and
fb.asp?m=4310875

Great. might make priority highers!

[jhnbr400]

B-52 gunnery system. in your 1980 + modern database, you have removed the tail guns and tail radar from the B-52. Gunner's and the gunnery system were still used in the B-52 until the end of Sept. 1991. The gunner was removed as a crew position on 1 Oct. 1991.

[Ancalagon451]

Errata:

Marker (city) has a ridiculously low area of 25m (per comparison an oil refinery has 60000! meter area).

This makes cities unrealistically hard to hit with low accuracy ballistic missiles.

Ancalagon

[KC45]

Can I request generic Coast Guard Surveillance ships?

Request 500tons, 2500tons and 5000tons ships with Unarmed and armed variants.
Equiped Generic Navigation and Surface Search Radar. Max speed is around 18~28 knots.

My recomendations of guns for Armed variants are combinations of 12.7mm guns(DBID #1695 12.7mm/50 MG Burst), 20mm guns(DBID #2319 20mm single Burst) 40mm Guns(DBID #1653 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst).

I can check Japanese military and Para-military info and bring here but I can't read anything except Japanese and English. And there are not much Coast Guard ships in CMANO. eg, South Korea has none of them, but they are in very important place.
Also there are some surverillance ships owned by Fisheries Agency, or those ships.

These days conflicts can starts from action of those Para-military or civilians. So I belive adding these units will CMANO's scenario more interesting.

[KC45]

Delete Request for Ship DBID:#1838 DDG 177 Atago 2008, due to There are no reference! Atago-class got SM-3 at 2019.
At 2008, Atago-class only had tracking system for BMD, Only Kongo-class got SM-3.

Adding request for upgrade SM-2 blk3B for Kongo-class and Atago-class from 2016.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/ja ... missiles-0
https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/us-clea ... -to-japan/

[Dysta]

Request to add BZK-005C in database.

http://news.ifeng.com/a/20181127/60175666_0.shtml (Simplified Chinese, spec. translation below)

- Improved airframe and aerodynamic based on BZK-005
- STOL capable and rough terrain adaptive
- More integrated FCS into automation, can input attack orders and it will follow by it’s own, once the target is in range. (jam-proof)
- Maximum payload weight is 300kg, each pylon can carry 100kg ordinance.

[ARCNA442]

I just noticed a rather large oversight - the armor for all US aircraft carriers is massively understated.

The Midway, Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, and Nimitz classes are all listed in the database as having only "medium (91-140mm)" belt and engineering armor with "light (41-90mm)" bridge armor.

However, Friedman's US Carriers (pg 216-220 & 395) lists USS Midway as having:
7.6" armor belt
6.3" bulkheads
3.5" flight deck + 2" hangar deck + 2" 3rd deck
6.5" side / 3.5" top conning tower (reduced to 2" on USS Coral Sea, the 3rd ship in the class)
7.6" side / 6.3" bulkhead / 5" above / 2.5" deck steering gear (not clear what is meant by separate "above" and "deck" figures)

While similar detail for the Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, Enterprise, and Nimitz classes is not available for obvious reasons, multiple websites suggest that they are at least as well protected as that of the Midway-class and there are mentions of ~3" deck armor in relation to the major fires on USS Forestal and USS Enterprise off Vietnam.

[KC45]

additional request for Japanese Aegis Ships, Kongo and Atago-class

Kongo class ships has only 8 rounds of SM-3 1A missiles. Japan Bought 36 rounds then used 1 round from each 4 ships so remainings are 32, for training. So right now, Kongo-class have only 8 rounds of SM-3.
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/byline/obiekt/ ... -00096641/ (Japanese reference, sorry)

Atago-class DDG has 64+32 cell VLS instead of Kongo Classes 61+29 VLS. Atago-class increased the number of cells of VLS.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atago-class_destroyer
http://www.seaforces.org/marint/Japan-M ... -class.htm
http://www.military-today.com/navy/atago_class.htm

P-2J change request
Their weapons/Loadouts are
4x Mk.34 torpedoes (Super old, now only in CWDB so you need bring it from there to DB3000.)
4x Mk.44 torpedoes
I couldn't find any Japanese resources P-2J with Mk46.
12x 150kg ASW bomb
8x 127mm rocket
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/kanoya/toukat ... nziki.html (Home page of Kanoya AB)

150kg ASW bomb but it used for Surface ships, so can attack both Surface and Sub. and it is used by P-3C and P-1.


Requesting Armed Maritime Surveillance load out for P-3C and P-1.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%83%BD ... %E4%BB%B67 (Japanese source again, sorry)

JMSDF and JCG pursued North Korean Spy ship at offshore Noto Peninsula in 1999. At this time, P-3C used 150kg bomb for warning shots. Each P-3Cs had 4 bomb.
I request Anti-Spy ship or Armed Surveillance loadout for Japanese P-3C and P-1.

[KC45]

Additional changes
P-2J used jazebel sonobuoy the name was
AN/AQA-5 (early model/SSQ-41A) and AN/AQA-5N (later model/SSQ-41B)
it was not HQS-6.

Also equip AN/ASA-20B julie active range only, instead of HQS-3B. NO detail information.

Early type of P-2J had HLR-1 and later type had HLR-101, In CMANO, the name is HLQ-101 so need small fix.

http://www.geocities.jp/aobamil/mil-dic/P.html#P2J
This home page information is based on Japanese research magazines as source. But still this is Japanese.

http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/aP2Jmj.html (This site had same informations. / still Japanese)

I checked UP-2D as ELLINT variant but no detail information. No detail information.

PS-1 had HSQ-101 MAD system. Also can equip with Mk44 torpedo.
http://www.geocities.jp/aobamil/mil-dic/P.html#PS1 (Japanese)

[KC45]

Type97 torpedo has incredible attack DP.
MK46's and Mk50's are around 50~100 but Type97 has 400DP.
Too huge. Request reduce to around Mk50's 45DP. (I have a question, MK50 is succesor of Mk46 and less DP. that's strange for me. HE shaped charge is that weak? Mk46 has PBX warhead but I can't think that doesn't that huge change)