Europe map?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: demirole

Hi,

I know that this thread is quite old and that probably a lot of things have been said about the maps already. Still, looking through the thread I couldn't help myself and therefore decided to change from a forum lurker to a (most likely only a one time) contributor...

First I have a question: How did you choose which name to use for a place or city? Looking at the Turkey map, most cities carry their Turkish name (Mersin, Adana, Istanbul) but then there is Smyrna (= Izmir), Panderma (= Bandirma), Scutari (= Üsküdar), Antioch (= Antakya), and Alexandretta (= Iskenderun). The same can be seen in Germany (Munich, for example)

Second, I wanted to make two remarks: Lyons is not the valid spelling, I think, it should be Lyon. And while Berne is the valid French spelling of Bern, it is not used in German nor English (as far as I know)

Last, I just wanted to point out that Lake Geneva is larger than Lake Iznik, and due to its stretched shape, should be large enough to take up one hex side. There are probably a lot of good arguments to leave it out, ranging from "too crowded on the map" to "who cares?", but I couldn't resist of waving a flag for the lovely lake I lived at for four years.

Before I go back to lurking: I think you are doing a terrific job, Steve! Hope you are feeling better and best of health for the future!

/Levent

Welcome to the forum.[:)] My health is improved and my eyesight is getting better in my damaged eye, albeit only at a rate comparable to adding two or three grains of sand to beach per day.

Patrice has made almost all the decisions about map names. For the European map we have followed Australian Design Group's names for the most part. That applies to the terrain as well. We did make some corrections to southern Scandinavia and moved the USSR/Rumanian border so Cernauti is in Bessarabia.

EDIT: By the way, my in-laws lived in Geneva for many years, later they lived in Nyon, then in Bule. My father-in-law now lives in Lutry.

[Roberkhan]

Hi, guys! Another lurker pops up!

It's good to read that things are going on, even if not as fast as desired. It's even better to know that your health is improving, Shannon. Thanks for all the work, seriously. You have some sure sells by us in Spain

If it is not too late or too annoying, I would like to add something to the names debate. IMHO, it would be nice and coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both. For example, in Spain we have Cádiz, Málaga and Almería in Spanish -even with their tittles-, but then there are Seville (Sevilla), Saragossa (Zaragoza), Majorca (Mallorca) and Minorca (Mallorca) in English.
Rivers would remain the same, except for Tagus, which translates to Tajo and the beautiful Duero -the most northern one- which just got no name.
Finally, Cantabrian Mountains would be Cordillera Cantábrica. Just for the laughs of hearing non-Spanish people trying to pronounce it, you should definitely change this one. [:D]

But, of course, if you do this in Spain, you would have to go through the whole planet to not disappoint anyone...

Anyway, hope it helps and thanks again for the mess you're in! We bear with you!

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Roberkhan

Hi, guys! Another lurker pops up!

It's good to read that things are going on, even if not as fast as desired. It's even better to know that your health is improving, Shannon. Thanks for all the work, seriously. You have some sure sells by us in Spain

If it is not too late or too annoying, I would like to add something to the names debate. IMHO, it would be nice and coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both. For example, in Spain we have Cádiz, Málaga and Almería in Spanish -even with their tittles-, but then there are Seville (Sevilla), Saragossa (Zaragoza), Majorca (Mallorca) and Minorca (Mallorca) in English.
Rivers would remain the same, except for Tagus, which translates to Tajo and the beautiful Duero -the most northern one- which just got no name.
Finally, Cantabrian Mountains would be Cordillera Cantábrica. Just for the laughs of hearing non-Spanish people trying to pronounce it, you should definitely change this one. [:D]

But, of course, if you do this in Spain, you would have to go through the whole planet to not disappoint anyone...

Anyway, hope it helps and thanks again for the mess you're in! We bear with you!

Welcome to the forum![:)]

I have let Patrice make all the decisions about the names on the map, with only the slightest of input from me. He drops by every so often, and I am sure he will post a reply in this thread someday soon.

[Roberkhan]

That was fast, thanks!

Answering is not mandatory, only if he feels this issue brings something to the game

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Roberkhan

Hi, guys! Another lurker pops up!

It's good to read that things are going on, even if not as fast as desired. It's even better to know that your health is improving, Shannon. Thanks for all the work, seriously. You have some sure sells by us in Spain

If it is not too late or too annoying, I would like to add something to the names debate. IMHO, it would be nice and coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both. For example, in Spain we have Cádiz, Málaga and Almería in Spanish -even with their tittles-, but then there are Seville (Sevilla), Saragossa (Zaragoza), Majorca (Mallorca) and Minorca (Mallorca) in English.
Rivers would remain the same, except for Tagus, which translates to Tajo and the beautiful Duero -the most northern one- which just got no name.
Finally, Cantabrian Mountains would be Cordillera Cantábrica. Just for the laughs of hearing non-Spanish people trying to pronounce it, you should definitely change this one. [:D]

But, of course, if you do this in Spain, you would have to go through the whole planet to not disappoint anyone...

Anyway, hope it helps and thanks again for the mess you're in! We bear with you!

I agree it would be nicer and more coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both, but for Europe we mostly took the WiF FE maps names, without changing them.
Lyons was changed, as I though it was a better valid name in English, but maybe I was wrong and it should be written back to Lyon ? If so, the associated MIL unit should be renamed too.

(not so fast reply, sorry [:D] )

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Roberkhan

Hi, guys! Another lurker pops up!

It's good to read that things are going on, even if not as fast as desired. It's even better to know that your health is improving, Shannon. Thanks for all the work, seriously. You have some sure sells by us in Spain

If it is not too late or too annoying, I would like to add something to the names debate. IMHO, it would be nice and coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both. For example, in Spain we have Cádiz, Málaga and Almería in Spanish -even with their tittles-, but then there are Seville (Sevilla), Saragossa (Zaragoza), Majorca (Mallorca) and Minorca (Mallorca) in English.
Rivers would remain the same, except for Tagus, which translates to Tajo and the beautiful Duero -the most northern one- which just got no name.
Finally, Cantabrian Mountains would be Cordillera Cantábrica. Just for the laughs of hearing non-Spanish people trying to pronounce it, you should definitely change this one. [:D]

But, of course, if you do this in Spain, you would have to go through the whole planet to not disappoint anyone...

Anyway, hope it helps and thanks again for the mess you're in! We bear with you!

I agree it would be nicer and more coherent to have all names written either in English or in their native languages, but not a mix of both, but for Europe we mostly took the WiF FE maps names, without changing them.
Lyons was changed, as I though it was a better valid name in English, but maybe I was wrong and it should be written back to Lyon ? If so, the associated MIL unit should be renamed too.

(not so fast reply, sorry [:D] )

Let's leave Lyons as is. As I recall, changing it wasn't easy (it messed up saved games).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

I've been working on Supply a lot the past week. One of the things I have added is that a unit's source of supply is shown in the Unit Data panel of the Main Form. As you pass the cursor over the units, the Unit Data panel refreshes with various information on the unit beneath the cursor.

Here is a composite of several screenshots. At the top are 6 Unit Data panels taken with the cursor over 6 different units. The name in [] is the unit's supply source. You should be able to find the units on the map and their supply sources. The major supply source for the German units on this fragment of the map is Rommel.

On the left is the Supply Sources and and Paths form. It shows the 12 units that Rommel is keeping in supply and the path that Rommel himself uses to reach supply (in Konigsberg off the bottom left corner - where the 'rg' is visible).

Note that the German XLII Infantry traces to the port Parnu and then through the Baltic to Konigsberg. In the bottom right corner I pasted a sample of the Main Form showing Rommel as the supply source for the XXVI Infantry.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here is another screen shot of the Supply Sources and Paths form. Tangier is tracing an overland path back to Turin (or some city in Italy). Note the diversity of units it is keeping in supply. Units at sea are always in supply.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Here are 4 screenshots of one of the games I am using to test supply.

The US has invaded Denmark but isn't making much progress. One of the Bulgarian units traces supply to Copenhagen, which as a secondary supply source traces a rail path to Hamburg (I think). The other Bulgarian unit in Denmark has to use the Baltic Sea to traces supply - to Konigsberg. The program likes Konigsberg because it is the northern most port on the Baltic in Germany.

The Rumanians are getting supply from their HQ in western France, which is also supplying the German naval units in Brest. There is a cluster of 3 German HQs in the Ukraine joined by several Stukas for the push east.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

2nd in a series of 4.

Here is the Iberian peninsula and the western Med. Two of the German units in NW Spain are out of supply (they have yellow status indicators in the upper right) because the Allies control the Bay of Biscay. The third German unit is within 4 hexes of Madrid, so it is in supply. The British naval units in Palma are OOS because the Italians control the West Med.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

3rd in a series of 4.

Here is the real test for the supply routines. The Axis excursion into Iraq, heading for Perisa, has a string of HQs stretching back to Italy for supply. Although Baghdad, as the capital of an aligned minor country is a secondary supply source for Italy and Germany, it is OOS because it can't reach the HQs using 4 basic path hexes (desert hexes cost 2 BPH).

I had the code working correctly here last week, but I made a ton of changes to the data structure for supply so that it could be recalculated quickly as units move about the map. This morning I am trying to figure out what is wrong with the code for finding Balbo's and Guderian's paths back to Graziani. Once Balbo is in supply, he serves as a tertiary supply source for Guderian, who, in turn, puts the eastern most units in supply.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

4th and final in a series of 4.

I thought you might like to see what the rest of the Med looks like in this game. I had to debug code to get the various territorial units on this part of the map in supply. Even though their home countries have been conquered, they can be built by the conquering major power (which is what has happened here) and can get supply from all the cities in their home country. The territorial unit in Aswan (on the Nile in southern Egypt) is doing just that.

[paulderynck]

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[Shannon V. OKeets]

The problem with Balbo (who is shown in post #451 NW of Baghdad) was that he was functioning as a secondary supply source for Iraqi units. That's because he can find a railway path to Baghdad - a primary supply source for Iraqi units.

My code was assuming that once an HQ had found one primary supply source it did not have to look any further. That wasn't true in this case since Balbo was still not providing supply to the Italian and German units - for whom Baghdad is not a primary supply source.

I have since made the correction and the program continues searching for supply sources for Balbo and finds that he can trace supply back to Italy by going through Graziani. That enables Guderian to trace supply through Balbo back to Italy (a primary supply source for Germany). And then all the Italian and German units near those two HQs are in supply.