Speedy vs Fabertong - time to smack back the Penguin

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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Hi witpqs - I don't have Tracker. Where do I get that from?

From the thread in the main forum:
The web site to get it from is here: http://sites.google.com/site/witptracker.

If you have problems and/or suggestions, post them to this thread or send e-mail to witptracker@gmail.com.

So I assume adding up the load values in the bottom left of the screenshot below don't equate to the troop total?

No, unfortunately. Even if they did with Tracker you can see a bunch of units in one place, and you can export a CSV to set up your own invasion spreadsheet, so Tracker is very convenient.

It's also very convenient for looking at Alerts and Intel each turn. Managing your squad upgrades, and so much more. My every-turn use is limited, but once in a while there are tasks to be done where it is the only source of info or it gives up the info so much more quickly and easily than in-game that it is a great aid. Ask about different stuff as you get started with it. You will like it!



Thanks witpqs.

The link doesn't appear to work?[&:]

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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Ooh - maybe the link I pasted was messed up or there was a hiccup. Here is what I got (edit to add) when I went directly from my bookmark just now:



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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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That's a bold plan, Alfred. Speedy should expect the super-penguin to mount one or more counter-attacks, although not necessarily immediately. It would most definitely be the defining thrust of the game.
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Having real probs getting Tracker going.....can't even get the latest version of Java installed properly!

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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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OK, I'm no Java expert, but...

What version of Windows are you running, meaning is the version of Java you downloaded appropriate?

Second, if you have a 64bit machine and you have 64bit Java loaded, go to the Tracker thread in the main forum and get their assistance with getting 32bit Java installed along side it. Tracker does not (yet) work under 64bit Java. Several folks have gotten it to work with minimal fuss on 64bit hardware (by also loading 32bit Java). I have 32bit hardware so I have not done that myself.

Third, a corrupt .msi? If you did already download the appropriate version for your Windows, then it sounds like the actual download is not working properly. Are you having problems with any other downloads? Or was that one of the downloads that the installer does automatically? Maybe you hit a bad spot and need to just try again. I'm still wondering why you had trouble finding that web site earlier, and if perhaps the two are related.

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RE: 23rd August 1942

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Smeulders,

The point about my suggested axis of advance is that it maximises Speedy's major advantage (freedom of naval movement in the area to the north of the indicated islands and south of Alaska) and minimises the Penguin's major capabilities (LBA).

(1) Speedy can approach Wake from the north and enemy LBA is largely made irrelevant. Only Netties would represent any threat but they would be very vulnerable to interception from the initial CV covering force, and subsequently from land fighters operating out of Wake itself. The 2 divisions currently at Pearl Harbor would more than suffice to defeat the likely current Wake garrison. Those 2 divisions could then be taken off immediately after the shock attack captures Wake and replaced by a RCT. A small Allied garrison would suffice because for the next few months, the enemy is in no position for a counter seaborne invasion.

(2) Immediately following on from the capture of Wake, Speedy can approach Marcus from EastNorthEast, again minimising enemy interdiction. Again a 2 division assault will almost certainly be enough. Once secured, Marcus can immediately base a figther unit purely for CAP and more when the airfield is built up.

(3) After Marcus, the choice is either Iwo Jima (my preference) or Pagan in the northern Marianas. The choice largely depending on how strongly either site is garrisoned. Iwo Jima has the advantage that only airpower based on the Home Islands will be an issue but that would require the Penguin to either totally interrupt his pilot training program or rebase from elsewhere, which in turn opens up Allied possibilities elsewhere. Again the approach to Iwo Jima (from due east) can avoid enemy air concentrations.

(4) The value of either Iwo Jima or Pagan is that it allows air surveillance of the enemy convoy routes to the South Pacific and allows for the vectoring in of Allied CVs from their safe loitoring positions in the area referred to previously. There is no need to immediately move on the Philippines (or the rest of the Marianas) but after the necessary build up, an early 1943 invasion becomes an option. In any case the advance would have been accomplished on the cheap before the enemy has had an opportunity to garrison the island chains and whilst he lacks the ability to launch any meaningful sea counter invasions.

(5) There is no need for Speedy to totally tether Allied CVs to these locations. He merely has to organise some CVs to escort resupply convoys, and then only until the airfields are built up to accommodate 50 Allied fighters. In between convoys, he can use subs to top up supply.

Alfred

I see your point and it might work, but it's sticking out your neck quite far and counting on the fact that your opponent hasn't got anything more than a table knife to cut it off. Who knows, at the moment that may indeed be the case in which case your plan is very good.

The 2 divisions per atoll does seem a bit much though, it'll be murder due to the overstacking penalty, besides, do the allies even have enough AP and AK to move that ?
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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OK, I'm no Java expert, but...

What version of Windows are you running, meaning is the version of Java you downloaded appropriate?

Second, if you have a 64bit machine and you have 64bit Java loaded, go to the Tracker thread in the main forum and get their assistance with getting 32bit Java installed along side it. Tracker does not (yet) work under 64bit Java. Several folks have gotten it to work with minimal fuss on 64bit hardware (by also loading 32bit Java). I have 32bit hardware so I have not done that myself.

Third, a corrupt .msi? If you did already download the appropriate version for your Windows, then it sounds like the actual download is not working properly. Are you having problems with any other downloads? Or was that one of the downloads that the installer does automatically? Maybe you hit a bad spot and need to just try again. I'm still wondering why you had trouble finding that web site earlier, and if perhaps the two are related.

PS: Try out Google Chrome for a web browser.

Thanks for your thoughts witpqs. 'Seems' like I've sorted it. After much digging, tweaking and downloading I think I've got it workign and I loaded up my last turn into Tracker and it seems to have found the onfo ok (Intel screen info displayed fine).

Now being a total newbie to Tracker, and having no idea what I'm getting into with it, I have a few Q's if I may?

If so:

1.) How do you best get it to store and track things over time? By that I mean Faber and I use the same save slots every turn - 15 for me and 18 for him. Now am I still able to do this or does Tracker require me to upload a new turn in a different slot every turn? OR Can I keep it in slot 15 and just upload this to tracker every turn before I start my orders?

2.) I can't for the life of me see where I get info on there about unit sizes for Atoll invasions etc?[&:]

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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Always keep it in the same slot. Just do a Read Turn from the menu when you load up Tracker (after saving your turn file to the proper directory of course).
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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ORIGINAL: Speedy

Now being a total newbie to Tracker, and having no idea what I'm getting into with it, I have a few Q's if I may?

If so:

1.) How do you best get it to store and track things over time? By that I mean Faber and I use the same save slots every turn - 15 for me and 18 for him. Now am I still able to do this or does Tracker require me to upload a new turn in a different slot every turn? OR Can I keep it in slot 15 and just upload this to tracker every turn before I start my orders?

2.) I can't for the life of me see where I get info on there about unit sizes for Atoll invasions etc?[&:]

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Like Marvin said, but in just a tad more detail:
- It works on the same save slot so the game must be there every time (you know this if you set up the configuration file where it gets the password, etc.)
- It reads the save game and the Intel file (not sure if it reads the others), so if you get the replay separately run it, but wait until getting the full turn to do the 'Read Turn' in Tracker.

Base Load Stacking: On the pull down menu where you select the screen to look at (i.e. 'Alerts', etc.), select LCU's. Now you can sort by any column you want to by clicking on the header. Scroll all the way to the right, about the last column is 'Base Load' - that's the one! BTW, you can rearrange the colmuns by dragging and dropping the column header. I always drag the Base Load column to the left when I use it so the number is close to the unit name.
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Smeulders,

In view of the issues raised in your last post, you (and hopefully Speedy too) might find the following comments of value.
Assuming Speedy has lost few transports to date, his sea lift capacity should be of the following order. Note that I have listed only troop transports because they can carry both troops (the critical item) and equipment. Cargo ships, of which there are many more available, are omitted because they can only carry equipment.

(A) Sea Lift Capacity

Pacific Ocean littoral

USN
25 AP with aggregate 96,000 capacity
14 xAP with aggregate 36,000 capacity

RAN
19 xAP with aggregate 59,000 capacity

RNZN
7 xAP with aggregate 17,000 capacity

Indian Ocean littoral

RN – 38 xAP
Commonwealth – 5 xAP
Dutch – 31 xAP amounting to about 85,000 capacity

For the purposes of the suggested offensive, I totally exclude the combined RN and Commonwealth sea lift on the basis it is too far away. Some of the Dutch ships may have been evacuated to Australia or still be in American waters and there it constitutes a reserve which may be available for this offensive.

To be on conservative side, this leaves us with the USN, RAN and RNZN to provide the sea lift. This amounts to approximately:

25 AP = 96,000 capacity
40 xAP = 112,000 capacity

A total capacity of 208,000

(B) Load Requirements

A USA infantry division uses 24,000 sea lift capacity in Transport TF mode and approximately 30,000 in Amphibious TF mode. A USMC infantry division uses 22,000 sea lift capacity in Transport TF mode and approximately 28,000 in Amphibious TF mode. However, these are not the critical figures. The critical calculation is to load the divisions onto Amphibious TF in combat mode so that they are fully unloaded in one turn onto the Wake and Marcus atolls (see section (D) below).

(C) Amphibious Unload Rate Over the Beach

By far the best ships for an Amphibious TF are APA. Unfortunately, Speedy will have none available for this offensive. The daily unload rate for AP is 600 and for xAP it is 250. Accordingly, to complete unload in a single day, a USA infantry division needs 50 AP or 120 xAP. The comparable figures for a USMC infantry division are 47 AP and 112 xAP.
Clearly relying solely upon USN, RAN and RNZN troop transports will not suffice to completely unload in a single day but if we add our reserve fleet (ie the Dutch troop transports) to the equation, then it should be possible to do so. If we then add the much more numerous (but not listed) cargo ships, a 2 division sea lift capacity should be possible.

(D) Appropriate Invasion Force Size

It is unlikely that the Penguin would garrison the atolls with a division due to the over stacking rules. Much more likely is that the garrison AV is mainly provided by at best an army bde but most likely by a Naval Guards unit. The difference in AV is quite significant ranging from about 150 AV for a bde to about 60 for a Naval Guards unit. When the level of fortification is taken into account, Speedy may need to land as much 750 AV to immediately defeat a bde. Against a Naval Guard unit, he would need to land only about 300 AV. The conservative estimate is therefore that a two division invasion would cope with the most likely worst case scenario.

The importance of a quick victory is twofold. Firstly for the invader, it is always a bad situation to have an extended fight for an atoll. Secondly capturing an atoll with the initial assault eliminates the need to factor in the overstocking penalties on supply consumption as the assault troops will subsist on their organic combat rations.

Once the atoll is secured the two divisions are removed and replaced by either a RCT (which will probably result in some overstocking) or an armour bn plus CD unit (plus BF to service the LBA) which should come within the stacking limits.

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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Until your opponent can reconstitute some sort of carrier force (depending on when he starts getting the Taiho, et al), I would expect that he might try interdicting your supply lines with fast destroyer groups - of course, once you have supply lines within reach of some of his larger harbor/bases.

At this point, he doesn't have all that much to lose, since he's already lost the one asset that posed a credible offensive threat to you (his carriers) - so anything he can do to stymie your own offensive plans is what he should be doing (and you be prepared to deal with).
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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I´m afraid with the outcoming of the two carrier engagements one could clearly say the Penguin has lost the game already. If Speedy isn´t throwing his "limited" number of carriers equipped with Wildcats at some area with lots of enemy LBA that could support each other then I can see no chance for Faber to really hurt his invasions. In my game my 600 carrier based ac fleet was trashed by a more or less equal (in ac numbers) KB without taking real damage but without the carriers it would take a lot of land based strikes to actually achieve something against the USN carrier fleet.
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RE: 24-27th August 1942

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Hi all,
 
Afraid I'm now away on holiday at my Dad's in Spain until next Wednesday.
 
Good news is that Tracker informs me that 1st Marine Rgt + 2nd USMC Eng Rgt will be just fine for invading Wake Island (for example) as they're just inder the 6,000 troop limit [:)]
 
We're just upto end of August now. Updates etc when I'm back. Until then happy hunting [8D]
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28-31st July 1942

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Hi all,

Back from Spain. So didn't want to come back home!

A fairly quiet few days.

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Attu -

The 28th saw the end of Japanese presence on Attu Island. Almost 4500 Japanese died with only a few surrendering.

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Other areas -

Stalemate still in northern Aus. Forces are within 120 miles of Carnarvon on the west coast.

Raids on Noumea from Norfolk Island have disabled the Light Industry and reportedly sunk SS RO-60 in the port.

CV Lexington is in the Shipyard at San Francisco and will remain so for 72 days.

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Submarine Warfare -

A bad few days for my subs! 6 dud/missed attacks.
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End of August 1942.........

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Hi all,

The highlights (obviously) for this month were the Japanese invasion (and subsequent annihilation) of Attu and 2 massive CV Battles that the Allied clearly won west of Attu and NW of Midway.

September see the upgrading of many AK/AP classes, North Carolina Class + Mahan Class DD's. In terms of planes the most significant addition to our stock is the P40K/Kittyhawk III and the F4 Recon bird. No significant ship arrivals this month (except 6 shiny new Gato Class subs[8D])

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Points:

Allies: +3751
Japanese: +448


Bases:

Allies: -3 (+31 points)
Japanese: +3 (+102 points)


Planes:

Allies: +194 lost
Japanese: +450 lost (mainly from CV actions)


Troops:

Allies: +87 lost
Japanese: +190 lost (mainly from 2/4th Division annihilation at Attu)


Ships:

Allies: +5 ships (+63 points)
Japanese: +34 ships (+796 points. Interestingly the sunk ships list ONLY lists Akagi and Junyo (wasn't even reported in the battles!) as the CV's reported sunk (we know they all went down though). I can only assume that the point totals accurately reflect the situation but the break down into ships etc isn't accurate due to FOW. In short there's 5 more CV's and 2 x CVL to add to this total).

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Sub Kills:

Dutch Boats:

PB - 3 (1 mine)
AK - 21
TK - 3
CM - 2
DD - 4 (+2)
TB - 1
DMS - 2 (-1)
E - 1 (+1)
APD - 1

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British Boats:

DD - 1 (mine)
AK - 1
SC - 1
PB - 1

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Fleet Boats:

AK - 34 (+8)
SC - 3 (+1)
AP - 3 (+2)
PB - 4 (+1)
TK - 2 (+1)
CM - 1
ACM - 1
E - 1
APD - 1
DD - 2
CL - 1 (+1) (Kashima)
CVE - 1 (Taiyo)

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S-Boats:

AK - 7
AP - 1 (+1)
CM - 1
PB - 2 (+1)
DMS - 1

Total = 108 ships = 48% of reported sunk ships total.

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1-4th September 1942

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Hi all,

A fairly quiet start to the month of September. I woudl guess Faber is shifting forces and planes all over the place to shore up defences in every possible way.

For my part my Major Ships are still repairing and replacing planes losses in Seattle, San Fran and PH. I have Rgt's preparing for a selection of Atolls over the Pacific to give myself options when the time arises to counter-attack in a couple of months time when all my CV's are operational and my men prepared for theit targets.

In the meantime my offensive in western Aus is nearing Carnarvon (50 milees away). Over the past 4 days fairly substantial BF and air assets have reached the Perth region to support this - 3 x Fighter Sqn's, 3 x Bomber Sqn's, 2 x Transport Sqn's.

Follow up and occupying BF forces are also in the region for Carnarvon.

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CBI -

The first Allied offensive in Burma will be launched within 2-3 weeks bound for Akyab.

In China it looks as though the Japanese are preapring a new offensive heading west towards Changsha (I'll show a Screenshot soon). I doubt it will get anywhere as I have substantial forces around Changsha.

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Submarine Warfare -

A mixed few days with it starting off well on the 1st:

SS Seal heavily damaged AK Tenryu Maru off Batavia.

SS Albacore sank PB Ichiyo Maru SW of Korea.

On the 2nd AK Borneo Maru was damaged by a torpedo from SS Tuna off Wakkanai.

Since then I've had 9 ([:@]) dud and missed attacks against AK's (2 against the damaged Borneo Maru[:@]), DD's and an ACM.
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RE: 1-4th September 1942

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re: Australia
 
With KB no longer in play, do you have any plans to use your CVs to support amphibious assaults in north Australia, or are you content to continue the overland attack with LBA support?
 
 
re: British Navy
 
What are your plans for the RN? Will they be supporting the planned Akyab offense?
 
 
 
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5-6th September 1942

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Hi all.

Hi ckammp - No CV's are planning to be used for Australia at present. LBA can support my offensive in the west. I have plenty of fighters in the area (about 2 x FG worth at the moment). I can base hop from Carnarvon (it appears it's now unocuppied even though a Rgt was spotted there a month or so back! My men are 20 miles away).

RN - Nope. Akyab will probably not need any naval support. Especially since the likes of Port Blair and Rangoon are Netty bases. The 6th was the date my men started to embark trains at Calcutta bound for Chittagong where they'll march the rest of the way overland. I'll detail the force in a few days.

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CBI -

A major effort was launched over Akyab on the 5th. Almost 100 x mixed LBA bombed Akyab. This time, however, a Zero Ku was on CAP. My unescorted bombers suffered at their hands. 18 failed to come home. Darn.

As recon reported the Japanese have begun to advance west towards Changsha. I doubt they'll get very far. There was a reported 1600 AV in Nanyang, 1700 AV further to the south of it vs my 2500 AV to the south and 1200 AV at Changsha with a further 600 a few days away. There's also level 6 forts at Changsha.

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Other areas -

I've spent the past few days also looking at other potential invasion routes. I still don't really fancy moving back through New Caledonia and the Solomans. Just a time issue. I have no idea how much Faber has in depth around here. There are no planes on New Caledonia or Luganville. A Bde is at Noumea probably with a BF and a couple of smaller units are at Koumac.

LBA raid New Caledonia almost daily from Norfolk Island. 2 x PC were caught docked at Koumac on the 6th and reported sunk.

I'm tempted to go through the Gilberts as well as Wake. There are many bases down here that are unoccupied and Tarawa can be invaded by 2.5 divisions without any negative impact for example!

The Kuriles don't feel great to me as there are lots of bases Faber can stage LBA from and it's very near Japan.

As such I have several Divisions and Rgt's (those listed a few posts back) preparing for a variety of Atolls and Islands in CentPac tp give me options depending on the situation and recon when my CV's are ready to go in force.

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Submarine Warfare -

On the 5th SS O19, patrolling east of Singapore, located a convoy and reportedly sank AKL Miiko Maru.

West of Nagasaki SS Albacore stalked a convoy and sank the troop laden AK Tusima Maru.

SS Herring had a gun duel with AKL Penang Maru SE of Tokyo. Despitye pumping 7 x 3" shells into here return fire damaged my sub (30 SYS/FLT) and she retired. Poor effort.

On the 6th SS Searaven sank AKL Suzan Maru SE of Toyohara.

In return SS KXVIII was lost with all hands off Georgetown when a DD convoy escort located and cornered her.

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7-12th Septembner 1942

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Hi all,

A fairly steady and quiet few days. The majority of the action and focus has been on Australia.

Firstly, a question regarding Tracker - I'm reading the turn every day but what else can you do with it? Can I tell it to search SigInt for example to track enemy troop placements (if so how)? In short I assume there must be uses of it for TRACKING stuff?

An empty Carnarvon was pccupied by Allied troops on the 9th. Engineers are starting work on an airstrip to base fighters. Next step is to occupy and buildup Exmouth before tackling Port Headland which contains 1-2 Inf. Rgt's.

Further to the east a speculative attack was launched against the Japanese at Daly Waters with surprising results:

Ground combat at Daly Waters (76,131)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41231 troops, 732 guns, 1231 vehicles, Assault Value = 1458

Defending force 29741 troops, 317 guns, 348 vehicles, Assault Value = 949

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 893

Japanese adjusted defense: 510

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2543 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 101 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 219 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 27 disabled
Vehicles lost 74 (3 destroyed, 71 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1329 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 88 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Vehicles lost 84 (5 destroyed, 79 disabled)

The Japanese are moving out to the north towards Katherine. I want to attack again now but I need to wait for supplies to reach my men (down to 50% of minimum needed at the mo)! I really hope I can get the Japs before they retreat.

Further forces are moving up from Cloncurry (3rd Aus Division + support) as well as forcers gathering to the south of Daly Waters (800 AV).

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Other areas -

The Akyab invasion force has massed at Chittagong......final orders are being issued and we'll move out in a day or two. I'll detail the forces involved tomorrow.

SigInt has been very useful. 65th Bde is heading to Tarawa. 62nd Inf, Group is heading to Wake Island. This kind of info will help a lot in my upcoming planning. I have Rgt's planning for many many places and I'll probably just bypass these strongholds as there'll be bases which are unoccupied in the Gilberts and Marshalls for examples.

Although not a priority, I have several forces in theatre in SoPac (originally for defence) that I will start to prep for re-invading New Caledonia and the New Hebrides. LBA from Norfolk can keep New Caledonia supressed.

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Submarine Warfare -

A fairly quiet few days. 4 dud/missed attacks.

The successes:

SS Salmon blew up PB Shinko Maru 2 off Wakkanai on the 8th.

SS Greandier reprted sinking the Aden Maru class AK Seikho Maru on the 10th.

On the other side SS I-121 sank KV Quesnel (searching for her) east of Attu on the 12th.

SS S-18 was moderately damaged by SC CHa-25 off Toyohara.

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RE: 7-12th Septembner 1942

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OK.

In Intel, tell it to use All Turns, then use one of the other the pull-downs on the right to select a unit you are interested in. Or, to select a base you are interested in - you will see all messages pertaining to that base.

Go to the Devices tab. Select Allies. Select Squads. Select Hide 999 Availability (units that never arrive in the scenario file). Sort the list by name. You will see all of your squad pools. Select one line. Press the button in the lower right of the screen (I think it's called pool history). You will see the pool history, but even more valuable is a listing of what LCU's have that device. Use this information to help manage the upgrading of your squads to newer versions (by selecting which units to turn on/off replacements for).

LCU tab with the Base Load column we covered earlier, right? Go to the Bases tab. Sort by name. Then find a base and look across to the row that shows what is the capacity of that island.

Go to the Alerts tab. Select Current Turn. Sort by Type ('ship sunk', 'LCU arrived', etc.) Go to Intel tab. Select Current Turn. Sort by location.
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