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[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: Excroat3

Seems like a Russian Mi-17 preforming SAR was destroyed by a TOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IschF-ihjS0

Just wow...

[Dysta]

Remember when people in 80's theorize that nobody can shoot down a helicopter with a RPG-7? I think whatever weapon that can launch to the sky, there's always a chance to hit something.

[Gneckes]

I'm pretty certain that helicopter in the movie was landed.

[ExNusquam]

I'm pretty certain that helicopter in the movie was landed.

With it's engine shut down even.

[mikeCK]

Turks have been warning the Russians to stop violating their airspace for months. These continued incursions got so bad that the U.S. Sent F-15s to help the Turks patrol their airspace and discourage the Russians. Once again, Russia ignored Turkish airspace. The pilot was warned 10 times to leave but he kept flying. Exactly how many times are they supposed to allow Russia to overfly their territory before responding? Think Russia would allow an unfriendly neighbor to overly its territory with warplanes dozens of times? No...and neither should Turkey. Smart or not, Turkey had a right to shoot and the Russians should have taken the months worth of warnings

[Dysta]

Don't forget Russia also have right to pause or even cease the anti-ISIS bombardment if regional conflict occurs against their jets.

Which means a huge nightmare to European PR and security.

[NakedWeasel]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Don't forget Russia also have right to pause or even cease the anti-ISIS bombardment if regional conflict occurs against their jets.

Which means a huge nightmare to European PR and security.

I disagree. NATO, and the United States, are more than enough to obliterate the Daesh wherever we find them. The only thing that prevents that is a lack of leadership with the will to do what needs to be done. You let our men and women off their leashes and we will stain the sands of the middle east red with the blood of these mongrels. With a quickness.

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: mikeCK

Turks have been warning the Russians to stop violating their airspace for months. These continued incursions got so bad that the U.S. Sent F-15s to help the Turks patrol their airspace and discourage the Russians. Once again, Russia ignored Turkish airspace. The pilot was warned 10 times to leave but he kept flying. Exactly how many times are they supposed to allow Russia to overfly their territory before responding? Think Russia would allow an unfriendly neighbor to overly its territory with warplanes dozens of times? No...and neither should Turkey. Smart or not, Turkey had a right to shoot and the Russians should have taken the months worth of warnings

Picture For You.

Removed by Moderator. This isn't dead body.com. Please make your point without close ups of dead pilots. This is your first and final warning on this

Because that's double standards. Turkish jets have been violating Syrian Airspace for years. And even the NATO confirmed that the Russian jet was shot down over Syrian Airspace after having strolled merely 10-15 seconds inside the small bit of Turk Airspace. It is no secret that Ankara supports the ISIS and was enraged when ISIS tank-trucks loaded with ISIS oil for their sale in Turkey were destroyed by the Russian Airforce. The truth is, the NATO doesnt even want to defeat ISIS, because they are friends of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, serving their dirty little game of toppling Assad and hurting Iranian interests far too good to be dropped.

[Dysta]

Excellent contribution for this reference, but the latter part of your comment is involved with conspiracies. Like it or not, military and conspiracy do mix very well, but that's beyond the tolerance for further discussion.

I perfer to see what the actual military reaction of Russia after this incident, to understand Russian Doctrine better and use it to other CMANO scenarios.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Excellent contribution for this reference, but the latter part of your comment is involved with conspiracies. Like it or not, military and conspiracy do mix very well, but that's beyond the tolerance for further discussion.

I perfer to see what the actual military reaction of Russia after this incident, to understand Russian Doctrine better and use it to other CMANO scenarios.

Dysta has a good point. Lets keep the focus on the facts and technology and steer away from the politics. The politics are a mess and people really don't come here for that.

Thanks

Mike

[mikmykWS]

Aviationist has some audio and details

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/au ... uaf-su-24/

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/24/ru ... by-turkey/

[mikmykWS]

Information on Russian bomber raids

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/21/in ... ers-syria/

http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/20/ru ... anean-sea/

TU-160 originated in Kola and flew around Europe and through the Med!

Mike

[Broncepulido]

It was the same route of the F-111 in the El Dorado Canyon strikes to Libya in 1986:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Unit ... g_of_Libya

For the Libyan raid, the United States was denied overflight rights by France, Spain, and Italy as well as the use of European continental bases, forcing the Air Force portion of the operation to be flown around France and Spain, over Portugal and through the Straits of Gibraltar, adding 1,300 miles (2,100 km) each way and requiring multiple aerial refuelings.[11] The French refusal alone added 2,800 km and was imposed despite the fact that France had itself been the target of terrorism directed by the Gaddafi government in Libya.[12] French president Mitterrand refused overflight clearance because the United States was interested in limited action in Libya while France was more interested in major action that would remove Gaddafi from power.[12]

[mikeCK]

"Turkish planes violate Syrian airspace" is in a relevant argument. The Syrians would be in the right to shoot down American planes Russian planes Turkish planes violate their airspace repeatedly. Doesn't change the fact that turkey was within its rights to shoot down the Russian plane. that's the end of the argument. Whether they should have or not is a different argument but clearly they were within their rights and international law

[NakedWeasel]

Russia deploying S-400 SAMs to Turkey-Syria border region:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/middleeast/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-shot-down/

https://www.rt.com/news/323379-s400-russia-syria-airbase/

[Broncepulido]

Photo in a exhibition of an Iranian Mi-171 helicopter with 2xC-802 Chinese anti-ship missile, but I think the radar, because the size and bad placement, is a simple weather radar more than a surface search radar: http://defence-blog.com/news/photos-of- ... siles.html

[Zaslon]

Yeap Dysta. Also DB3000 can be tuned (remember a 3M-14 with less than 500 km of range[:D])
Would be nice play a scenery of a limited escalation between Russia and Turkey.

[Dysta]

Usually, positive red-herring answers means yes at high chances. News from official announcement of news conference at MoD of PRC:

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/DefenseNews/2015- ... 630603.htm

Q: Recently, there have been several terrorist incidents involving Chinese nationals. We have noticed the Chinese armed forces have conducted joint anti-terrorism exercises within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) for many times. Will such joint anti-terrorism exercises be conducted beyond the scope of the SCO? For example, will China hold joint ant-terrorism exercises with European countries or the US?

According to Russian media reports, an official source of Russia disclosed that China and Russia had reached a deal on China’s purchase of 24 Su-35 fighter jets with a total value of 2 billion U.S. dollars. Could you please confirm?


A: The Chinese military is committed to international anti-terrorism cooperation. For example, counter-terrorism has been one of the important themes in the joint exercises and training between the Chinese and foreign armed forces. In recent years, the armed forces of the SCO member states have conducted 10 joint anti-terrorism exercises on both bilateral and multi-lateral basis, which has become a regular arrangement. Joint anti-terrorism exercises have become an important component in the SCO defense and security cooperation. According to the consensus reached during the SCO defense ministers’ meeting in St. Pittsburgh this year, the armed forces of the SCO member states will hold the next joint anti-terrorism exercise in Kyrgyzstan in 2016.

Besides, the Chinese armed forces has conducted joint training with the armed forces of Pakistan, India, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Venezuela and Jordan with counter-terrorism as one of the training subjects. These joint exercises and training have played a positive role in deepening bilateral and multi-lateral military exchange, learning useful experience from each other and jointly improving the capabilities of coping with new threats and challenges. The Chinese side is always open to holding joint anti-terrorism exercise and training with foreign armed forces. As to the specific countries, it depends on mutual discussions and coordination.

As for the second question, both China and Russia are willing to carry out the Su-35 aircraft cooperation project. Through joint efforts, substantial progress has been achieved at the current stage. Both sides will continue to conduct cooperation in military technology based on the principle of equality and mutual benefit.


Q: The report from Tass said Russia planned to provide the first batch of S-400 air defense missile systems to China within 12 to 18 months, and the Russian government announced in April this year that it had signed a 3-billion-US-dollar contract with China on the S-400 air defense missile system.

According to the US Defense News, such air defense missile systems will greatly improve the air defense capability of the Chinese military. Could you please give your comments on this?


A: Air defense cooperation is an important part of China-Russia military technology cooperation. Relevant cooperation is going on according to plan.

[Vici Supreme]

Germany is to join the fight against ISIS with Tornado RECCE (recon) aircrafts and a frigate will be send to accompany the Charles de Gaulle in the Eastern Mediterranean: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 64738.html in german

[Dysta]

We really need Russian S-400 and/or Military Movement in Syria mega-thread, more news about it coming out:

http://youtu.be/DtWLMXAGTQ8

https://youtu.be/Cx9GV_KTVxM

An-124's recent delivery, not just S-400, but also some Panstirs. Such new and expensive defense system won't just be settled rashly.