HITMAN202 versus THEPRO's Sean is welcomed ... Sillyflower is allowed.

[HITMAN202]

A DEAD, DEAD, DEAD RABBIT

[HITMAN202]

TURN 28 ... TURN 28 ... TURN 28 ... TURN 28

THE pre-move stats





Average inf morale a bit over 76

Blizzard casualties 250 K

And 4 divisions (inf)lost already

It's not what I'm doing that is the focus of this turn, but THEPROS incredible play...

[HITMAN202]

AGN...

Sillyflower is unstoppable

[HITMAN202]

South of AGS (still Sillyflower) pushes on

[HITMAN202]

The ugly.. 3 new divisions isolated in AGS





Belphegor's two step (one, then two) and an retreat in an unfortunate direction isolates one

[Michael T]

The key to the blizzard is Leadership and a L2 fort in non clear terrain. December is bad. Jan gets better. The battle above somewhere that you showed us demonstrates this. Maybe less AP's spent on forts and more on setting up a really good chain of command in the area where you are fighting. But I am loath to critisize. I face my own nightmare soon enough.

[HITMAN202]

Then the disaster







Belphegor's five step. I maybe compounded the problems with a stupid stacking on the hex next to the 3 rd retreat, but I think alea iacta est (by the way I have some interesting references to the fact that Caesar probably did not coin this when he crossed the Rubicon to challenge the Roman Senate.)

The fort row is weak in the south and needs to be further back. Obviously I may be revisiting Odessa. Reserve activation has been nil.

MT, I'll show you my high command after I send my move to THEPROS (still got to make rounds at the hospitals). The modified combat strength of the German infantry divisions in clear terrain is around 8-9 (zero SU's). The median is about 6 and the max as high as the mid twentys (very few.)

It's ugly. Very ugly. But no other AAR has specifically addressed the problems of blizzard. Comments like "run like heck" and "be cautious" are as helpful as telling a pedestrian to put his hands in front of his face to lessen the impact of a speeding car.

But reality may not be kind to me. My WITE skills may be poor.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Then the disaster





It's ugly. Very ugly. But no other AAR has specifically addressed the problems of blizzard. Comments like "run like heck" and "be cautious" are as helpful as telling a pedestrian to put his hands in front of his face to lessen the impact of a speeding car.

But reality may not be kind to me. My WITE skills may be poor.

Hehehe your funny, these guys are good in blizzard but I have seen allot better and you would know it if you read any of my AAR's

I have posted what to do during blizzard and your doing it, whats the problem?

How many divisions you lost total so far?

If you lose less then 10 divisions then they suck at blizzard offensive and your good at defending.

If you lose between 10 and 20 divisions then they are average and so are you.

If you lose more then 20 divisions then they are very good.

I must be missing something because I do not see them doing anything special yet.

Grow a set and stop whining OR am I missing something?

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

TURN 28 ... TURN 28 ... TURN 28 ... TURN 28


Average inf morale a bit over 76

Blizzard casualties 250 K

And 4 divisions (inf)lost already

It's not what I'm doing that is the focus of this turn, but THEPROS incredible play...

Again whats the problem?

4 units lost hehehe, that's horrible for SHC

Chicken little the sky is not falling [:-]

They are nothing special and your doing very good, thk you very much.

Next time do not do what I advised and see the results.

I have personally played through 15 blizzards so I do know what I am talking about.

Your doing the text book of what to do and the results are very good for you and very poor for SHC from the info I see posted so far.

General Chicken Little play on I know the sky is not falling.

[HITMAN202]

Crap Pelton, you're pouring gasoline on the fire. You bad mouth THEPROS and they are going to really stick-it-to-me. I see now ... you're getting on the team with THEPROS and Flavius. Traitor, turncoat . Sillyflower it's almost as bad as being a redcoat.

In fact I fully grasp the situation. You are the WOOKIE.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Pelton


How many divisions you lost total so far?

If you lose less then 10 divisions then they suck at blizzard offensive and your good at defending.

If you lose between 10 and 20 divisions then they are average and so are you.

If you lose more then 20 divisions then they are very good.

I must be missing something because I do not see them doing anything special yet.

With respect Mr P, your analysis has no logic behind it. A few games ago Sean and I destroyed over 30 German divs in the 1st half of the blizzard. German played v badly. If German runs fast enough, they can't be caught. That does not reflect on the quality of Russian play. I am very clear about what we are doing and why.

You are entitled to have and to express your views about how good or bad we are, but use a performance measure that makes sense.

By your measure MT must be cr#p because he didn't kill any of your divs when you ran away from him. I hardly think he played that game badly or that he is a bad player.

Blizzard losses are much more down to German play than Russians assuming competent Russian with a reasonable army. I have played several blizzards as German and never lost a div. Mainly due to having damaged the Russians badly enough in '41, then being a bit careful. I never ran like a girl

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: Pelton


How many divisions you lost total so far?

If you lose less then 10 divisions then they suck at blizzard offensive and your good at defending.

If you lose between 10 and 20 divisions then they are average and so are you.

If you lose more then 20 divisions then they are very good.

I must be missing something because I do not see them doing anything special yet.

With respect Mr P, your analysis has no logic behind it. A few games ago Sean and I destroyed over 30 German divs in the 1st half of the blizzard. German played v badly. If German runs fast enough, they can't be caught. That does not reflect on the quality of Russian play. I am very clear about what we are doing and why.

You are entitled to have and to express your views about how good or bad we are, but use a performance measure that makes sense.

By your measure MT must be cr#p because he didn't kill any of your divs when you ran away from him. I hardly think he played that game badly or that he is a bad player.

Blizzard losses are much more down to German play than Russians assuming competent Russian with a reasonable army. I have played several blizzards as German and never lost a div. Mainly due to having damaged the Russians badly enough in '41, then being a bit careful. I never ran like a girl

Sure the GHC player has allot to do with it, BUT very few SHC players know how to exploit the system on their side of the front.

The losses have to do with both players skill.

SHC players should be able to at a min all things being equal get in the 10-20 range, if not they are not getting enough grain to the horses and fuel to the tanks.

Blizzard has been nerfed for sure, but it still has loop holes like the fuel and morale systems that can be exploited by the players withen the rule set.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Pelton


The losses have to do with both players skill.

SHC players should be able to at a min all things being equal get in the 10-20 range, if not they are not getting enough grain to the horses and fuel to the tanks.

Blizzard has been nerfed for sure, but it still has loop holes like the fuel and morale systems that can be exploited by the players withen the rule set.

Obviously the skill of both sides matters. However, if G runs skilfully enough not even the most brilliant R will destroy a single unit.

It may be that by using some absurd tactics that are not 'exploits' (and I put MT's latest opening in this category) Russians can do better than if the don't. Michael reports exploits instead of using them but stretches the quirks of the system to the Nth degree. That's a perfectly reasonable way to play the game as it's honest and his opponents know what they are getting: a kicking[;)]. However, neither Sean nor want to play that way as you will know from the earlier discussion about our use of para's.

You may call that lack of skill if you want to. Others might think it takes more skill to win without resorting to those sorts of tactics. my own view is that the 2 approaches just use skills in different ways.

Frankly I don't care which camp anyone else falls into but the Pro's are going to win in our way so that even the defeated Nazi can feel he's had an enjoyable game.

I always like to think about the psychology too. Get beaten by MT and you can take comfort in the belief that he only won because of his spending endless hours testing how to get the last drop of petrol out of the game engine or ways to get the last tiny bit of advantage from the T1 rules. Get beaten by amateurs like us who just enjoy pushing a few bits of electronic cardboard around in some sort of semi-organised way and you have no excuse.

Anyway, to measure success in the blizzard just by German unit losses is plain illogical IMHO. The blizzard sets up '42. You frequently and rightly look at the mid and late game in terms of the number of hexes the Russians are from Berlin and how many turns they have left. QED. Let's see where Hitrabbit { or is he now Hitrabbit deceased a la Hopkirk of 'Randall and Hopkirk deceased' fame?) is at the end of '42 and then reflect on how well we did in the blizzard.

[sillyflower]

Santa's sleigh slays simpering "supermen"

[Wuffer]

Gentleman,
while your AAr is entertaining and a good read as well, for which the auditorium wants to thank, your efforts on trashtalking are (fortunetly [sic!]] hopeless beaten by the real pro's in this discipline )
Probably it's something Old Europe can't compete. I'm sure you fully understand.
Nothing tops reality...

So, I hope you don't feel discouraged, even in the knowing that there are a lot of real kermits around here...

[sillyflower]

Glad to see young Wuffler trying his hand at trash talking too. I think we have discussed the nature of trash talking earlier in this AAR. I suspect that we just have different approaches to it. We old-worlders prefer the more sophisticated approach. For the invective style, I think the old world wins again too - Arab cultures excel at the art of the insult.

I never thought of Kermit as the alpha trash-talker though.

[Michael T]

What is going on Hitman? I am in to January now, things not too bad, how are you coping?

[sillyflower]

good question[>:]

[STEF78]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

I think we have discussed the nature of trash talking earlier in this AAR. I suspect that we just have different approaches to it. We old-worlders prefer the more sophisticated approach.

Surprisingly, I agree with an englishman[;)]

[sillyflower]

The chase is on again, and we have agreed to speed this game up. Nothing very exciting to report on 1st Jan turn. 9th Pz xx died in a pocket but pretty much everyone else ran out of reach of serious attacks except in north just S of Finnish stop line where I grind forward 1 hex per turn instead of 2 or 3 everywhere else.

Setting up nicely for an entertaining '42. Soviets will be pretty far forward with a huge, good quality army so will Dr H be strong enough to make significant headway?