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[cdnice]

Good luck getting the U.S. and others to pay up on that Chinese debt if they ever invade Taiwan.

[Dysta]

Wow, the debate above reminds me of myself with wood many years ago. It was a good day to keep myself boiled.

Anyway, I am not interested to know who will stand out as an ultimate/terminal/decisive/indisputable victor of that future war scenarios involve with Taiwan. Let the world population decide how much blood to prove this is either a good idea, or a bad idea.

[Blast33]

he U.S. Air Force has successfully completed a series of tests of a new 5,000-pound-class bunker-buster bomb, the GBU-72/B. This included the release of a prototype of the weapon from an F-15E Strike Eagle combat jet over a range associated with Eglin Air Force Base in Florida.

The testing of this weapon, developed under a program variously referred to the Advanced 5,000 Pound Warhead or Advanced 5,000 Pound Penetrator, and abbreviated A5K, took place earlier this year, but the Air Force only announced the results today.
Outwardly, the GBU-72/B itself looks essentially like an enlarged 2,000-pound class GBU-31/B Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) precision-guided bomb configured with a bunker-buster warhead, such as the BLU-109/B or the improved BLU-137/B.

This new bomb differs most visibly from the GBU-31/B series in that it has a pair of long fins or strakes, one attached to each side of the bottom of the bomb's body. GBU-31/B-series JDAMs have a set of strakes that attach to the center of the weapon.

And more details in: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42714/the-air-forces-new-5000-pound-bunker-buster-bomb-breaks-cover

[tylerblakebrandon]

ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984

ORIGINAL: thewood1

Yes, we dropped two atomic bombs on them. I think. Isn't that how it ended?

Despite four years of year on the Chinese mainland, the Japanese military was underestimated by the west. The most famous instance was of the Japanese A6M Zero fighter.

From December 7th, 1941 to June 4, 1942, Japan went on a six month rampage. After stopping them at Midway and Guadalcanal, the Us and its allies had to fight for three long hellish years to push the Japanese forces back to the home islands. And then of course it ended in a controversial manner with the atomic bombs.

Putting my Historian Hat on. You might find a look at the history of U.S. war planning in regards to Japan enlightening. A good starting point is Edward S. Miller's "War Plan Orange." He was the first to really examine planning documents as they became declassified.

The USN planning for a war with Japan dated back as far a 1897 and they determined early on that an initial Japanese rush would result in what has been called "the Western Pacific Capitulation" and most Navy planners expected a 3-6 year march back across before reaching the home islands.

The divergence is in the endgame. With most pre-war Navy planning anticipating an air/naval blockade of some duration. By 1945 the White House is concerned about extending the war and is looking to a ground invasion to hasten the end at greater loss in men and materiel. Then when faced with the impending Soviet entry and a desire not to split the spoils as in Europe the Atomic Bomb choice comes into play.

[Dysta]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 1506993159

If this is true, then China answered the INF that torn by US, by tearing the OSW treaty.

[AndrewNguyen1984]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 1506993159

If this is true, then China answered the INF that torn by US, by tearing the OSW treaty.

God frakking damn it...just frak...f**k. The only thing that can stop China now is that if it goes through the same economic problems that wrecked the Japanese economy during the 1990s. Otherwise...just frak.

[thewood1]

People just don't learn.

[AndrewNguyen1984]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

People just don't learn.

And someone reminded me of the most powerful weapon they have to use against us. Our own debt of which the Chinese own a large amount of. To sum it up, they own us.

[RoryAndersonCDT]

ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984
God frakking damn it...just frak...f**k. The only thing that can stop China now is that if it goes through the same economic problems that wrecked the Japanese economy during the 1990s. Otherwise...just frak.

ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984
And someone reminded me of the most powerful weapon they have to use against us. Our own debt of which the Chinese own a large amount of. To sum it up, they own us.

I'd recommend reading this document, it covers an emerging domain of warfare. Might be relevant.

https://www.innovationhub-act.org/sites ... 0Final.pdf

[Boagrius]

[;)]

[Blast33]

Worthy to modify your CMO start-up wallpaper?
Source: https://twitter.com/DzirhanDefence/status/1450047376110940162/photo/1

[stilesw]

Hey Rory,

Thanks for the "Cognitive Warfare" document. I've added it to the Dropbox Command Unofficial Reference Library.


Unofficial - i.e. not sponsored by WarefareSims, Matrix Games, Slitherine, their employees, relatives, pets or ancestors.

As always, any forum member can have access to this Dropbox resource. Just PM me with your email address.

-Wayne Stiles

[Rondor11]

Very cool mobile AESA

https://radausa.com/

[maverick3320]

ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984

ORIGINAL: thewood1

People just don't learn.

And someone reminded me of the most powerful weapon they have to use against us. Our own debt of which the Chinese own a large amount of. To sum it up, they own us.

Not really. Imagine you take out a 400,000 loan for a house. The bank owns the debt, and you own the asset. Who is truly in the driver's seat? Now imagine you are a sovereign nation and the bank has no legal leverage over you.

Owning someone's debt doesn't give you leverage over them in the international economy. The only "leverage" China has is to stop buying US debt, which would really just lead to other entities buying it instead. They could also try and "dump" a lot of debt all at once which may influence interest rates, but there would be a line out the door of entities willing to buy the US debt.

"If China (or any other nation having a trade surplus with the U.S.) stops buying U.S. Treasurys or even starts dumping its U.S. forex reserves, its trade surplus would become a trade deficit—something which no export-oriented economy would want, as they would be worse off as a result.

The ongoing worries about China's increased holding of U.S. Treasurys or the fear of Beijing dumping them are uncalled for. Even if such a thing were to happen, the dollars and debt securities would not vanish. They would reach other vaults."

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/i ... -bonds.asp

You really need to calm down about all this stuff.

[thewood1]

Thinking that them holding debt is a long term threat is just showing ignorance of the overall bond market. China needs a place hide that money as much if not more than we need it. Our biggest weapon against China is the $1T in treasuries they own.

US citizens are still the biggest holders of US debt, after our own government.

https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the ... bt-3306124

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/m ... s-debt.asp

China owns around 3%. And watch out for those Irish.

I'm sure no one remembers when the Dutch debt scare was going on or the Japan debt scare was going on. Almost every financial scaremongering of China parallels almost directly the same tired out scaremongering of Japan in the 80s and Arab countries in the 70s.

[thewood1]

One thing to keep in mind is that China is foreign energy dependent, while US is foreign energy independent at the drop of a hat and change in administration. Outside the Taiwan issue, that's going to be a main driver if war ever breaks out.

[MaxDemian]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1 ... 1506993159

If this is true, then China answered the INF that torn by US, by tearing the OSW treaty.

Why should China feel the need to answer to the US exit from the INF? China was never a INF signatory to begin with, and the continued adherence to the INF was to a great disadvantage for the US.

The orbital weapon that they've tested, appears to only be useful as a first strike weapon. Fueling up a Long March rocket to launch this weapon is a terrible retaliatory concept.

Let's not forget that the Space Shuttle most likely had an undisclosed orbital bombardment capability: https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3855/1

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: MaxDemian

Why should China feel the need to answer to the US exit from the INF? China was never a INF signatory to begin with, and the continued adherence to the INF was to a great disadvantage for the US.

On the contrary, I think it’s what China wanted. US would never want to prove the rival’s weapons are effective by copying theirs (such as DF-21D/26, nobody is copying them so to keep it ‘theoretically useless’ until war happens), so they will innovate and introduce new weapon systems to deter against Chinese/Russian long range missiles and other high-tech weapons. What Russia and China can simply do is copying their new weapon concepts without unveiling it’s actual effectiveness, to keep on the guess games to US.

In the end it’s the current ammunition that can deliver to the enemy’s soil have the final say, hence the proliferation of ballistic missiles and kamikaze drones.

[MaxDemian]

If the US re-introduces something like the Pershing II, I don't think that will constitute "copying" the Chinese DF-21/26. With its CSGs pushed back to at least 2000km off of China's coast, the US desperately needed an additional attack vector to put China's A2D network at risk.

[BeirutDude]

ORIGINAL: RoryAndersonCDT

ORIGINAL: BeirutDude

It sets a good potential scenario for CMO. Not an outright war, but maybe a limited blockade with a missile threat

I was actually thinking the same, but I'm trying to get away from huge scenarios. I was thinking how to work this, maybe 30 days into a blockade and a united Western force tries to break it to feed a starving Taiwan.

This is the concept I've been playing around recently. Inverted Cuban missile crisis.

This is the concept I've been playing around recently. Inverted Cuban missile crisis.

I think I have a viable option for the PRC to put more pressure than a slow motion blockade on Taiwan/ROC but without having to go after the main island. They need to wear them down and draw them out with something worth fighting for. Working on a scenario now...