OT: Corona virus

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Olorin

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I've never owned a smartphone and won't ever. I never thought it would be an issue, and still don't think it will be, but...hmm. For the 0.2% of the population who have "opted out," this is kinda weird stuff.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Google and Apple are working together on an automated smart phone infectious contact technology.

The way it would work is the user would have to "opt in" (supposedly) and then their smart phone would record the wifi "chirps" of all the nearby smart phones throughout the day. When a person was found to be positive for COVID-19, the system would query their phone and pull up all the chirp contacts during their contagious period and then "public health authorities" would use that to do contact tracing.

It's seriously creepy with tremendous 4th Amendment abuse potential. Note: This is NOT GPS tracing or even cell tower tracing> If I understand it is the technology used by the phone to find wifi networks

It's news like this that make me seriously consider throwing my smartphone to the garbage bin.
Also, deleting windows and installing ubuntu.

What, you don't want Windows 10 phoning home?

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

It’s the End of the World Economy as We Know It

2 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... li=BBnb7Kz


"“There will be a rethink of how much any country wants to be reliant on any other country,” said Elizabeth Economy, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “I don’t think fundamentally this is the end of globalization. But this does accelerate the type of thinking that has been going on in the Trump administration, that there are critical technologies, critical resources, reserve manufacturing capacity that we want here in the U.S. in case of crisis.”"

I think takes like this (and this one from MSN isn't the first I've seen; it's perhaps the 30th in the last 2 weeks) are premature at best. Highly speculative.

I think it's roughly equally likely that we'll decide we need to settle on Mars in the next decade so that an apocalyptic pandemic doesn't wipe us out in the future.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Show of hands. Who thinks the Chicoms are going to pay for the vaccine for the Third World when it is available?

I can hear the chorus now...."It's in the interest of the US to pay for it"

Nah, billionaire philanthropy is going to be forced to step into the public service void and do it instead.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Public Health is one of the few worthwhile activities of government but giving them more tools for surveillance is absolutely dangerous. The Patriot Act seemed like a good idea at the time but now we find out the boys in Washington are using the FISA court to spy on US citizens and bullshitting the FISA judges.

I don't trust them to put the WIFI chirp data back in the bottle when the pandemic is over.

It did? It was always going to end that way.

For all the good that they do (and it's a lot!), law enforcement as an institution has shown time an again that they will go beyond the boundaries allowed to them. They're human, after all. The ends justifying the means is not an uncommon belief. Powers given to state police always need to be carefully thought out and safeguarded to the fullest extent possible so as to preserve the rights of the public.

[MakeeLearn]

Hot spots erupt in farm belt states where governors insist lockdowns aren’t needed
04/15/2020 08:02 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... elt-189272


"Trump and red state governors for weeks have fairly bragged about how large parts of the farm belt have escaped the ravages of the virus without the enforced shelter-in-place policies common on both coasts.

It’s still unclear whether the states actually “flattened the curve,” or if the virus just reached there later.

But now, cases are erupting, threatening a local population that doesn’t always have easy access to the same health care as more urban areas.

And the outbreaks are striking the heart of the nation’s farming and meatpacking industry, potentially disrupting the national distribution of food as meat processing plants close down and truckers who move food across the country are sidelined by illness."

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Coronavirus: Gov. Newsom says things will be normal when we have “herd immunity.” Here’s why that’s scary.
What does ‘herd immunity’ look like? About 28 million infected Californians. Maybe 840,000 deaths.
April 16, 2020
https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/ ... ats-scary/

"What’s herd immunity? It’s when so many people have been infected and develop protective antibodies that a virus runs out of hosts. That’s likely what happened in the 1918-1919 flu pandemic, which killed 20 to 40 million people and then vanished.

What does “herd immunity” look like in the age of COVID-19? Without a vaccine, about 28 million infected Californians.

Based on current estimates, about 5 percent of infected people — or roughly 1.4 million Californians — would get severely ill. Of these, 840,000 could die, although there’s hope of holding that number down."

Yes. Guess what the level of measles vaccine compliance is require for "herd immunity" to offer good protection?

93%

For COVID-19, we probably need about 70%.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles ... vid19.html

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Let's keep this among ourselves


Exclusive: Secret Military Task Force Prepares to Secure the U.S. Capital
2 hrs ago



https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclu ... li=BBnb7Kz



"But a little-known military task force charged with evacuating Washington has already been activated, a task force charged with the most sensitive government mission of "securing" Washington in the face of attackers, foreign and domestic—and if necessary, moving White House and other key government offices to alternate locations."

So, business as usual.

[Canoerebel]

What?? Two weeks ago they were all over these states, decrying the delays and predicting horrible things. Now it's no longer clear to them that such dire predictions are going to come about? Wow, they accidentally admit that their earlier dire contentions may not have been accurate. But they never address it straightforward, because transparency and context are not in their playbook.

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Hot spots erupt in farm belt states where governors insist lockdowns aren’t needed
04/15/2020 08:02 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... elt-189272


"Trump and red state governors for weeks have fairly bragged about how large parts of the farm belt have escaped the ravages of the virus without the enforced shelter-in-place policies common on both coasts.

It’s still unclear whether the states actually “flattened the curve,” or if the virus just reached there later.

But now, cases are erupting, threatening a local population that doesn’t always have easy access to the same health care as more urban areas.

And the outbreaks are striking the heart of the nation’s farming and meatpacking industry, potentially disrupting the national distribution of food as meat processing plants close down and truckers who move food across the country are sidelined by illness."

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn



"Courage - a perfect sensibility of the measure of danger, and a mental willingness to endure it."

-William Tecumseh Sherman

"Don't ever think that something you read on the internet is wise, useful or true simply because it is a quote by a famous person."

-Napoleon Bonaparte

[:D]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

That's just wrong, Lokasenna. If South Carolina had the most deaths/million, that would help illuminate the magnitude of a problem. And if South Carolina had the least deaths/M, that tells us something else.

If Georgia has 72 deaths/M, comparing that to the rates of other states absolutely has merit. There will be other factors to consider, but dismissing that as one means of comparison is like tossing your 9-iron into the woods because you can't use it for every shot.

What I'm saying is, since you're already scaling the comparison to per capita, you can't then compare it to per capita again (which is what is essentially being done by comparing to population size). Per capita squared isn't a thing because it's pointless - it tells you nothing. And since it tells you nothing, the below "proof" wouldn't pass middle school math class:

1) State A is 10th-lowest in deaths per capita
2) State A is the 25th most populous state
3) Therefore, State A is doing better than expected

Why? Because there are all kinds of other factors - and because by scaling to a per capita basis, #2 is just essentially restating one half of #1.

Some of us here are analysts by trade.

[22sec]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Hot spots erupt in farm belt states where governors insist lockdowns aren’t needed
04/15/2020 08:02 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... elt-189272


"Trump and red state governors for weeks have fairly bragged about how large parts of the farm belt have escaped the ravages of the virus without the enforced shelter-in-place policies common on both coasts.

It’s still unclear whether the states actually “flattened the curve,” or if the virus just reached there later.

But now, cases are erupting, threatening a local population that doesn’t always have easy access to the same health care as more urban areas.

And the outbreaks are striking the heart of the nation’s farming and meatpacking industry, potentially disrupting the national distribution of food as meat processing plants close down and truckers who move food across the country are sidelined by illness."

Oh the humanity, South Dakota has now joined us here in Mississippi where 1/10 of one percent of the population have confirmed COVID cases. Damn these governors...what have they wrought on us. 😏

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

What?? Two weeks ago they were all over these states, decrying the delays and predicting horrible things. Now it's no longer clear to them that such dire predictions are going to come about? Wow, they accidentally admit that their earlier dire contentions may not have been accurate. But they never address it straightforward, because transparency and context are not in their playbook.

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Hot spots erupt in farm belt states where governors insist lockdowns aren’t needed
04/15/2020 08:02 PM EDT

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... elt-189272


"Trump and red state governors for weeks have fairly bragged about how large parts of the farm belt have escaped the ravages of the virus without the enforced shelter-in-place policies common on both coasts.

It’s still unclear whether the states actually “flattened the curve,” or if the virus just reached there later.

But now, cases are erupting, threatening a local population that doesn’t always have easy access to the same health care as more urban areas.

And the outbreaks are striking the heart of the nation’s farming and meatpacking industry, potentially disrupting the national distribution of food as meat processing plants close down and truckers who move food across the country are sidelined by illness."

I think you misread the bolded part.

Also, 2 weeks is roughly the incubation period, so...


Worth re-linking in general and as always, check the chart at the bottom. https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn



"Courage - a perfect sensibility of the measure of danger, and a mental willingness to endure it."

-William Tecumseh Sherman

"Don't ever think that something you read on the internet is wise, useful or true simply because it is a quote by a famous person."

-Napoleon Bonaparte

[:D]

“You gonna eat your tots?”

-Napoleon Dynamite, Battle of Austerlitz (2 December 1805)

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn



"Courage - a perfect sensibility of the measure of danger, and a mental willingness to endure it."

-William Tecumseh Sherman

"Don't ever think that something you read on the internet is wise, useful or true simply because it is a quote by a famous person."

-Napoleon Bonaparte

[:D]

“You gonna eat your tots?”

-Napoleon Dynamite

How about this Napoleon....the XIV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

[MakeeLearn]

Cuomo bashes Trump’s ‘bizarre’ claim of NYC padding coronavirus death toll
April 16, 2020


https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/cuomo-bas ... h-padding/


"Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Thursday panned President Trump’s accusation that New York City is padding its coronavirus death toll as “bizarre.”

“Why would New York City want to inflate a death toll?” asked Cuomo during an Albany press briefing.

“It’s bad enough as it is. It’s painful enough as it is.”

The city Department of Health on Tuesday began disclosing not just confirmed coronavirus fatalities, but “probable” cases in which the deceased exhibited telltale signs of the contagion, but were never formally tested."

[Canoerebel]

Okay, I see what you're saying. Thank you for bearing with me as I wrapped my head around that.

So the way to approach it is to simply use deaths/M.

Of course, that can be enhanced by further input of data, but deaths/M is one way of measuring mortality in each state or country.

[MakeeLearn]

India coronavirus: Tablighi Jamaat leader on manslaughter charge over Covid-19
3 hours ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52306879


"The leader of a prominent Muslim group has been charged with manslaughter in India after a meeting it held in Delhi spawned numerous Covid-19 clusters.

Police say Muhammad Saad Khandalvi ignored two notices to end the event at a mosque in the capital in March.

The event has been linked to 1,023 cases across 17 states - believed to have been spread by infected foreign attendees.

Mr Saad and his Tablighi Jamaat group have denied any wrongdoing.

Delhi police said that Mr Saad had been charged with culpable homicide not amounting to murder, which means he will not be able to apply for bail.

The charges were brought against him while he was in self-isolation."

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Quote from the Philadelphia Inquirer article linked to by Makee, a few posts above: "We are focused on ensuring that every New Yorker who died because of COVID-19 gets counted," Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said in a statement, adding, "While these data reflect the tragic impact that the virus has had on our city, they will also help us to determine the scale and scope of the epidemic and guide us in our decisions."

That makes sense. The same thing was asserted in here two days ago and jumped on by a couple of forumites who disagreed and predicted rampant non-counting.

There is a large degree of under-reporting. That has been clear from the beginning.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/

You can see for yourself that the CDC acknowledge the likelihood of this and incorporate it in to there reporting (see the technical note)

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Recent US funding of the WHO is running at over $500M a year. 2/3rd of that is VOLUNTARY. They aren't going to "run out of money"

The US taxpayer has been the piggy bank for the WHO forever. And what do we get? The dumbasses resisted US travel bans and delayed the pandemic classification in order to assuage Chicom feelings. Am i worried the Chinese are going to gain influence? It already happened.

Do you have sources for this? Honestly, the WHO never makes the headlines or text of anything that I read, so I'd like to see.

That's because you don't read National Review. [:)]

The WHO stated on Jan 14 "there is no clear evidence of human to human transmission" even though that was 2 weeks after the first cases of the "mysterious pneumonia" among Wuhan hospital workers (a clear example of human-human transmission) and only 7 days before the Chicoms shut down every rail line, bus and plane and taxi and Uber in Hubei province. The Chinese doctor who later died from Covid 19 was already posting videos about the contagiousness of the thing. I watched them myself. The WHO, under this Tedros cat, then resisted calling an international emergency (which would have restricted air travel). This would have made Xi angry. He then visited Xi and praised the Chinese response when everyone at WHO knew they were being bullshitted.

Why do the Taiwanese HATE this Tedros lap puppy so much? Because they know he is Beijing Shiht Tzu. He announced in 2017 that he was "supporting the One China policy". WTF? What does THAT have to do with world health?

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/ ... on-failed/

[MakeeLearn]

14 April 2020
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... red-2020-4