RHS 5 & 6.758 comprehensive update uploaded/frozen/final?

[Dili]

Thanks for the update i could get the file now. Btw i opened the RHSCVO v5.41 for S050.zip in Editor  and it has the Soviets active. But in the text files it says they are inactive. Or i am seeing it wrongly?

[el cid again]

For reasons unclear - ALL versions of RHS have Soviets active! Two - RPO and CVO - should have Russians passive.
I am "pre issuing" x.42 cam files for these scenarios - because they are not affected by error checking - setting them to passive - and you can use them with x.41 no problem.

[el cid again]

Having learned that VMF-221 was supposed to board Sara - and already having addressed VMSB-231 on Lex -
I decided to try modifying the class. We have a new air group size of 81 (vice 72) and a standard fit which combines the VB and VS squadrons into one - so there is room for a 4th squadron of Marines. If they are landed, a different navy or marine unit may board. If you pick one from a CVE it will never have a size problem. And units of 18 or 19 planes may replace the marines without overloading the ships. You now have two flavors of US CVs, - one with 4 Navy squadrons of the usual sort - and one with 3 plus room for any 4th unit - which if carrier capable can also operate. This means you can do the sorts of transfers that Lex and Sara really were doing when the war began.

Comments welcome. We may fold this into all RHS scenarios - or drop it altogether and put the Marines ashore (VMSB-231 at PH, VMF-221 at San Diego). WE decide this after x.42 returns to us - based on comments and tests.

[Mifune]

I like the idea and we should test it out.

[Dili]

This is cross posted from another thread where i shoudnt had posted (sorry Cobra).
 
Issues i found in RHSCVO 5.41 until now:
 
I have found 2x  89th Ind Chutai with Ki15-Babs  All are in China, the Nanchang unit is in China Exp Army and Chengting unit is in Southern Area Army. It's okay or a mistake?
There are 2 Sonia Units in N. China with Southern Command
All Armored trains (Chinese Exp Force) are in Kwantung.
 
Southern Area Army has many units all around are that supposed to be that way? Same with Saipan Fortress a static unit in Southeast Fleet command but in a 4th Fleet Island. 
Post Edit: Another Btw... any reason all cities around Tientsing are classed Central China instead of North China?
Post Edit2: There are 2x F3 Tainan Chutai - It's missing the F2
 
Kageros, Shimakaze and Yugumos have 5"/40 Tp89 DP gun. That is wrong.  5"/50 3YT is the right one.
There are 2 CA Tone in update list. CA Tone have 1 gun per 25mm mount. In reality they had double mounts.
PC Lepanto has only 4 amno for central 25mm and 84 for rear 25mm.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Dili

This is cross posted from another thread where i shoudnt had posted (sorry Cobra).

Issues i found in RHSCVO 5.41 until now:

I have found 2x  89th Ind Chutai with Ki15-Babs  All are in China, the Nanchang unit is in China Exp Army and Chengting unit is in Southern Area Army. It's okay or a mistake?

REPLY: Need to check. One may be a detachment of the other.

EDIT: Listed by Francillon with Ki-51, it is in Bloody Shambles with Ki-36, and it has migrated in both forms into WITP!
Clearly it was a unit that upgraded IRL. Slot 31 is right - except it does not upgrade. Slot 102 should be 44th Independent Chutai - also on Ki-36. And the pools for Ki-36 and Ki-51 are off by 12 - in opposite directions.

There are 2 Sonia Units in N. China with Southern Command
All Armored trains (Chinese Exp Force) are in Kwantung.

REPLY: This is because the units are transferred in command but not yet moved. There are more like that.

Southern Area Army has many units all around are that supposed to be that way? Same with Saipan Fortress a static unit in Southeast Fleet command but in a 4th Fleet Island. 

REPLY: The Southern Area Army indeed has lots of units in other command locations. It means they should be moved there. But while I changed Saipan - I failed to change the static unit there.


Post Edit: Another Btw... any reason all cities around Tientsing are classed Central China instead of North China? \\

REPLY: Because of their map location. To help players find them. North is translated as "up" even though - in fact - it really isn't on the left side ("North" is "right" over there). It appears to be central China.

Post Edit2: There are 2x F3 Tainan Chutai - It's missing the F2


REPLY: Does not sound right.
Kageros, Shimakaze and Yugumos have 5"/40 Tp89 DP gun. That is wrong.  5"/50 3YT is the right one.

REPLY: Re elected to mount a different weapon in EOS. Actually - many of these vessels converted during the war to one mounting of each type ! And some to two DP mountings.

There are 2 CA Tone in update list. CA Tone have 1 gun per 25mm mount. In reality they had double mounts.
PC Lepanto has only 4 amno for central 25mm and 84 for rear 25mm.

25 mm normally should have 36 shots. But Lepanto is small - probably 24.

[Dili]

REPLY: This is because the units are transferred in command but not yet moved. There are more like that.

 
Okay i will research the units history before came up with issues; except those static ones and duplicates.
 

REPLY: Because of their map location. To help players find them. North is translated as "up" even though - in fact - it really isn't on the left side ("North" is "right" over there). It appears to be central China.

 
Okay the whole projection troubles. It seems odd since Peking is "up" Tientsing and distance between both are not that big unless the North is real 90º right in there.

[Dili]

Beijing Latitude: 39.92889
 
Tientsin Latitude: 38.95 
 
So indeed Beijing is North of Tientsin

[Dili]

IJA Formosa Army HQ in Taihoku(Formosa) is attached to Kwantung Area Army. I am not aware of any Formosan Army HQ in Kwantung.

Taan Naval Base Fortress in Taan(Hainan) is a China Exp Unit static unit in a Southern Area Base

Ponape Base Force is a Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn is Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

Truk is a 4th Fleet Base with a collection of Southeast Fleet Units including a static unit.

Palau Coastal Gun Rgt is a Southeast Unit in a Southern Army Base. It is not static but it is a unit that will seldom move if at all. The Palau Base Fortress is static and also part of Southeast Fleet.

10th Sentai a Ki-32 Army Unit in Home Command upgrades to a Navy D3A2 Val

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Dili

IJA Formosa Army HQ in Taihoku(Formosa) is attached to Kwantung Area Army. I am not aware of any Formosan Army HQ in Kwantung.

REPLY: THis should be Southern Area Army. It is a real HQ - made by copying - and the command was not changed.

Taan Naval Base Fortress in Taan(Hainan) is a China Exp Unit static unit in a Southern Area Base

REPLY: A bit confusing - apparently this is inherited - and it might be assigned either command. But - not in the game - this is the actual HQ of Southern Area Army! Thanks.

Ponape Base Force is a Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

REPLY: Yes - I cought that after seeing your notes about another such unit. Found several. I changed the base to 4th fleet but not the units present.

IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn is Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

Truk is a 4th Fleet Base with a collection of Southeast Fleet Units including a static unit.

REPLY: This is correct. Southeast Fleet bases here - because it is areas SOUTH of Truk not yet Japanese!

Palau Coastal Gun Rgt is a Southeast Unit in a Southern Army Base. It is not static but it is a unit that will seldom move if at all. The Palau Base Fortress is static and also part of Southeast Fleet.

REPLY: This is very difficult. It is an important part of S Area Army at start - but actually 4th Fleet - and at one time I thought 4th Fleet was under Southeast Fleet - when it is the other way around. Should be SAA - but note that this unit should NEVER be moved. Any such move is gamey. IJN would never move it from that base - unless a bigger and badder CD unit replaced it. It was the site of a major (and needless) battle late in the war.

10th Sentai a Ki-32 Army Unit in Home Command upgrades to a Navy D3A2 Val

REPLY: This is only in EOS - because the Army decided to go that way. Other units upgrade to Kates - or two engine bombers. Ki-32/30 is going to go away ASAP. But not always to Army type bombers.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Dili

Beijing Latitude: 39.92889

Tientsin Latitude: 38.95 

So indeed Beijing is North of Tientsin

I know that. It is only its appearance on the map that makes it appear north. We call "up" north - and it really is not always so. FYI I was married in China - and I study PLA and other Chinese things - and even have three credits in Chinese Geography. I can draw a map of China from memory fairly well. I just attempted to ID the location as a playing aide more precisely than "China" - a vast area - for players unfamiliar with geography - according to how it looks on our map display.

[Dili]

Well that dont changes that in RHS Beijing/Peking is considered central China when Tientsin that is at South of it is considered North. This is not important since that is only a classification and from what i know it has no impact in the game.
 
 

[el cid again]

I see - you mean in our map it should also be Central China. The light dawns.

[Dili]

IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn is Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

Truk is a 4th Fleet Base with a collection of Southeast Fleet Units including a static unit.

REPLY: This is correct. Southeast Fleet bases here - because it is areas SOUTH of Truk not yet Japanese!

 
No both are 4 Fleet Bases. For Jaluit that is ok. But the IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn should be put also under 4th Fleet Command.
 
In case of Truk another 4 Fleet Base it should be changed for Southeast Fleet since most Units and the static Base units all belong to Southeast Flt. If that is not your choice at least the base units like the Fortress and the Truk AA should be put under 4 Fleet HQ.
I think the aim here should be consistency between the Base ownership and the units that cannot not move and or belong to it.
Likewise the Palaus. They could be considered Southern Fleet or 4th Fleet depending how we look for it but their static and base units should belong to the command they are under. Now the Base belongs to one command but the static and base units belong to another.
 

10th Sentai a Ki-32 Army Unit in Home Command upgrades to a Navy D3A2 Val
REPLY: This is only in EOS - because the Army decided to go that way. Other units upgrade to Kates - or two engine bombers. Ki-32/30 is going to go away ASAP. But not always to Army type bombers.

 
No my posts are only related to RHSCVO. That´s the only RHS i opened and i intend to play for now. Maybe i am wrong but i am not aware of any Army unit converted to use D3A2 Vals.
 
 

[Dili]

I see - you mean in our map it should also be Central China. The light dawns.

 
Yes or better both and other cities near and North of it to be considered North. Right now Tientsin is the only Chinese city considered in North of China.

[el cid again]

Actually - far up on the map - there are several cities in "North" China. They really are in West China - but it seems to be North. But it is FAR up the map.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Dili

IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn is Southeast Fleet Unit in a 4 Fleet Base

Truk is a 4th Fleet Base with a collection of Southeast Fleet Units including a static unit.

REPLY: This is correct. Southeast Fleet bases here - because it is areas SOUTH of Truk not yet Japanese!

No both are 4 Fleet Bases. For Jaluit that is ok. But the IJN Jaluit Naval Stn Bn should be put also under 4th Fleet Command.

In case of Truk another 4 Fleet Base it should be changed for Southeast Fleet since most Units and the static Base units all belong to Southeast Flt. If that is not your choice at least the base units like the Fortress and the Truk AA should be put under 4 Fleet HQ.
I think the aim here should be consistency between the Base ownership and the units that cannot not move and or belong to it.
Likewise the Palaus. They could be considered Southern Fleet or 4th Fleet depending how we look for it but their static and base units should belong to the command they are under. Now the Base belongs to one command but the static and base units belong to another.

REPLY: This is approximately correct - but slightly confused. Pulau pretty much be Southern Area Command for AI to function right - although really it was Nanyo (i.e. 4th Fleet). But Truk is different. It - and its units - remain 4th Fleet.
ONLY units moving out to base at Rabaul and points SE of there are SE Fleet. SE Fleet is HQ at Rabaul - and it is not yet Japanese.

10th Sentai a Ki-32 Army Unit in Home Command upgrades to a Navy D3A2 Val
REPLY: This is only in EOS - because the Army decided to go that way. Other units upgrade to Kates - or two engine bombers. Ki-32/30 is going to go away ASAP. But not always to Army type bombers.

No my posts are only related to RHSCVO. That´s the only RHS i opened and i intend to play for now. Maybe i am wrong but i am not aware of any Army unit converted to use D3A2 Vals.

You are right. So I will check it out.

[Dili]

REPLY: This is approximately correct - but slightly confused. Pulau pretty much be Southern Area Command for AI to function right - although really it was Nanyo (i.e. 4th Fleet). But Truk is different. It - and its units - remain 4th Fleet.
ONLY units moving out to base at Rabaul and points SE of there are SE Fleet. SE Fleet is HQ at Rabaul - and it is not yet Japanese.

 
No problem with that. I also think it is the best option, but then the Palaus base units that  not move should be part of Southern Flt and they are not.
Likewise in Truk the fixed (Truk fortress and Truk AA) Units should be then 4th Fleet but they are Southeast Fleet while the base is in 4th Fleet.
 
 

Actually - far up on the map - there are several cities in "North" China. They really are in West China - but it seems to be North. But it is FAR up the map.

 
In RHSCVO 5.41 i am not aware of any in Japanese hands except Tientsin. For example Tatung and Kalgan those most up North are in central China. But like i said this not an important issue since it is only a description.
 
 
 
 
 

[el cid again]

North China includes Urumchi (287), Sining (416), and should include Hami (285) - but it seems to have migrated into Central Asia. Perhaps NW China would be more correct - since they really are in NW China!

[Dili]

Yes i noticed them now