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Hi Obvert,
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That is a lot of A6M2! I tried to keep one factory until the Sen Baku came out, then later realized it was far too long a wait and the Sen Baku is not really needed anyway at that point.

I'm not sure how it is with PDU off, but if there is any chance to use a few groups of Georges and Jacks instead of the zero line after about mid-43 that will improve your chances. I'm interested as I'd like to play with PDU off sometime just to see what it's like.

With PDU Off (scenario 2) Jacks are almost useless in 1943. You have two groups that can convert to J2M2, but one arrived on the 30th of September (equipped with A6M2, which must convert to A6M5 and then to Jacks), and the other one arrives in February 44. I am accelerating the Jack in order to get later models, but that's at best a 44 plane, in this setting.

The Georges are pretty much the same : there is a squadron on map that can convert, but it is permanently restricted to the home islands. Three squadrons arrive in November 43. Again, it is more a 44 than 43 plane.

With PDU off, in 1943, the IJN is mostly restricted to the Zero line. The IJA, on the other hand, gets Nicks, Oscar IIb, Tojo IIb, and a lot of squadrons that can convert. I believe the correct strategy (which I'll certainly implement in my next game) is to use your Zeroes in the early months of 42, then retire the IJN squadrons and assign them to rear area duties, while IJA planes, fresh from China and Burma, are rotated to the front. This gives you time to train the IJN pilots that will fight in 44, once your IJA pools (and especially their pilots) are depleted...

Which is another reason to keep the Zero factories. One thing I have noticed is that converting a factory out of the upgrade path means a lot of supplies, but also a very long delay. Large factories repair 1 point per day, which means those big zero factories, will need 6 months to convert. I might live to regret it, but I think I'd rather close them, wait for the Sen Baku, and the 5b, and have 200 factories (maybe more) producing 5b in early 1944.

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November 2nd 1942

I have very little to report today. Enemy bombers attacked Rabaul, unescorted as usual, and shot fighters down

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
A6M3a Zero x 23
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 24
B-17F Fortress x 20
B-24D Liberator x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 15 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 16 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 7 damaged


Final tally is 28:4, with zeroes taking most damage. I will reinforce Rabaul, and go on producing more and more fighters. I understand my opponent doesn’t produce B17 anymore (the next series is in 1945), but I will fight more B24 for the rest of the year. All this is getting a bit expensive, but I suppose there is no way around it. And whereas I am losing a lot of planes, so far, the air battle didn’t do the allies much good.

November 3rd 1942

Enemy bombers visited Rabaul at night. A B17 and a B24 were shot down by the flak, for a change.
Off Colombo, a british cargo was torpedoed and sunk.

ASW efforts seem to be paying. Enemy submarines detected around Truk get hit time and again. I don’t think I can sink them, but they are wasting their precious time covering their metallic bums, and not stalking at my shipping. A good trade.

November 4th 1942

Things are heating in Burma. My opponent seems to be evacuating the road hex south of Akyab. I bombarded today, and found 800 AV, on their way out. I cannot fight such an opposition, but if armored units retreat first, the rest is toast.

Ground combat at 55,46 (near Akyab)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 13946 troops, 147 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 901
Defending force 22528 troops, 453 guns, 443 vehicles, Assault Value = 848

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
13th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
14th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
5th Guards Division

Defending units:
23rd Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
4th British Brigade
5th British Brigade
6th British Brigade
16th British Brigade
6th Medium Regiment


Here is a map of the situation in Burma. On the coast, I intend to move to the end of the road, and threaten to cut the road to Akyab and Cox Bazaar, hoping this forces my opponent to evacuate and provide me with a good supply base (Akyab) for my offensive on Chittagong. I have five infantry divisions and lots of tanks commited to this sector.

My main force is around Schwebo, marching on Kalemyo, held by half a dozen British and Indian units. Two smaller forces, In Katha and Myitkina, are marching to cut the road to Kalemyo. My targets are Kalemyo, and then Imphal and Dinapur, but a column could be sent from Kalemyo towards Chittagong, to put more pressure on Akyab and Cox Bazaar.

To summarize, my short term plan for Burma is to isolate and capture Akyab and Kaelmyo, then proceed on Imphal and Cox, and take and hold the jungle area (and the Ledo valley) by March 1943.



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November 5th 1942

Success over Rabaul


Enemy bombers attacked Rabaul today, and we had a pretty good day. That might be the Nicks, the better organization of CAP, or just luck, but things went fine for a change.

It began with a high altitude sweep from P38-G. They probably fly from Milne Bay, which explains why they arrived before the bombers, and why my CAP was full. Odds were almost 8:1, which seems to be almost enough…

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 45
A6M3a Zero x 23
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 40
Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 2 destroyed


6 P38-G are reported lost, five to air to air, and one to damage. This is about 25% of the current stock the allies have… Good riddance. 15 fighters were lost or aborted at this point, so losses were probably close to 1:1.

Then, the bombers came in, probably from Rabaul, and escorted by P38-F. We still had 100 fighters, against 64 twin engine bombers, and 17 fighters.

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
A6M3a Zero x 21
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35
Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-25C Mitchell x 48
P-38F Lightning x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M3a Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 5 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 3 destroyed


Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 21

8 P-38F and 7 B-25C were reported shot down. I probably lost almost as many, but half of my CAP aborted at this point, when the 4 engine nasties arrived, unescorted of course… I still had 15 Nicks in the air, which probably were the reason why several bombers were shot down.

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 19
A6M3a Zero x 15
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15
Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 7
B-24D Liberator x 15
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged


The next waves of bombers were fought by less and less fighters…

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
A6M3a Zero x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
A6M3a Zero x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 14
B-17F Fortress x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

No Allied losses

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Heavy rain
Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 1
A6M3a Zero x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged


Overall, the enemy lost 8 P-38F, 6 P-38G, 7 B25, 3 B24, 2 B17F and 2 B17E, 28 planes. I lost 10 Nicks, 8 A6M2, 6 A6M3a, and 4 Oscar IIa, 28 planes too. I am quite satisfied with this outcome.

Enemy forces were quite impressive too: I counted 32 fighters, 64 B-25C, 34 B-24, and 40 B-17. Knowing that not all every 4E bombers flew (Rabaul is a level 6 airfield, there must be a penalty), and that more are probably repairing, this certainly says something about Allied focus on Rabaul.

I have more Nicks on the way, I will be trying my first Oscar IIb squadron in a few days, and I am trying to pull a Tojo Sentai back. This means I could probably phase the A6M2 out.

I will probably regret writing this, but I’d like to think the reign of enemy bombers over Rabaul has come to an end…

And your usual blunder

Deep inside the AE code, there must be some special subroutine which checks, every turn, that every success is compensated with a failure. Call it the wargaming equivalent of the action-reaction principle.

Today, a squadron of Lilies from Kunming, which I had ordered to bomb Ledo and forgotten after they failed to take off on several occasions, decided to fly… and were met by a strong CAP… 17 Lilies are lost. I will survive this, but it hurts nevertheless.

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Nice work against the Rabaul strikes! Getting 1:1 is a rare day and you are doing well with what you have there. Early on if he's using those P-38s to escort, that is great for you. They're vulnerable there having to stay close in to the bombers.

About your Lillies. I remember those days fondly now. The agony of a missed setting and half a group shot down. It hurt every time. Now, my last two turns, just to put things in a later game perspective:

545 losses and 467 losses!
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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Today, a squadron of Lilies from Kunming, which I had ordered to bomb Ledo and forgotten after they failed to take off on several occasions, decided to fly… and were met by a strong CAP… 17 Lilies are lost. I will survive this, but it hurts nevertheless.

Yeah, this is something that bites me all the time ... exactly this way. Weather stops the bombing run, I forget about them, and then they do fly and get creamed. It ain't the airframes, its the pilots. Especially bomber pilots which take my much longer to develop than fighter pilots.

Argh!!

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@obvert: 500 planes a day… how long can both of you last at this rate? Or do you have tens of thousands in pools?

November 6th 1942

Burma now


For a few days, my opponent was seen evacuating the road hex south of Akyab. Today, as I was expecting his tanks to be gone, and his infantry to have lost their field fortifications, we tried a deliberate attack.

It began with a naval artillery preparation

Night Naval bombardment of Akyab at 55,46
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Nagato
CA Tone
CL Natori
CL Nagara

Allied ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)


This is a bit disappointing, but then, it might have helped with disruption, and so we got:

Ground combat at 55,46 (near Akyab)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 20001 troops, 159 guns, 919 vehicles, Assault Value = 904
Defending force 19420 troops, 411 guns, 341 vehicles, Assault Value = 674
Japanese adjusted assault: 534
Allied adjusted defense: 623
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Japanese ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 123 (6 destroyed, 117 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1342 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 57 (1 destroyed, 56 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
14th Tank Regiment
13th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
5th Guards Division

Defending units:
4th British Brigade
23rd Indian Division
5th British Brigade
6th British Brigade
6th Medium Regiment

The timing was apparently correct, as we faced five units, compared to seven two days ago. Also, disruption is still reasonable despite the 1:2 odds, and disablements in bad supply flow country should significantly reduce enemy AV. I’m trying again tomorrow, with a little luck, there will be less units, and we can rout them.

Holidays

My opponent already left for his holidays, and we have nothing planned this summer. I was a bit late organizing this, and then the illness of the little one made scheduling a bit difficult. I am planning to work less, though, and am considering my hobby options.

My main hobbies, these days, are music and maths. I have found a good violinist living almost next door, and a lot of time is spent playing the piano (I’ll post links to pieces we’re playing). I think I like chamber music more than solo practice, a bit like PBEM vs AI, if you like. As for maths, I’m a big fan of project Euler (www.projecteuler.net), which is a good mixture of maths and programming.

But this probably leaves time to do something new this summer, and I was beginning to think about starting a game as the Allies. I have absolutely no experience, and thought a game (and most probably an AAR) about what being a Allied virgin is all about, might be fun (in a JFB masochistic kind of way, of course…). The alternative are a few translation projects (from the Chinese) I have on hold.

It is still a plan, so far, so if you play Japan, and are in no hurry, I read my PM and mail…

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November 7th 1942

And Rabaul again


Today, enemy bombers visited Rabaul… and suffered again.

The first wave of bombers (B25C) was escorted. Most of my CAP was lower, and so we suffered, but took a couple of bombers.

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 28
A6M3a Zero x 29
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 28

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 31
P-38F Lightning x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 7 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged


Then came the buffs, which made a mess of my fighters

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 25
A6M3a Zero x 29
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged


One B17 is reported shot down, but the final tally is three. 1:2 odds, but it is always nice to shoot a few B-17. But since that raid was not very large, and, more importantly, had no escort, mosty of my fighter remained in the air, and the next raid, unaccompanied Mitchells, had no chance

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
A6M3a Zero x 25
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 23

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 8 destroyed, 4 damaged


And then we had:

Morning Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
A6M3a Zero x 15
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 1
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 15

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged


Overall, we shot down 30 enemies, B25-C mostly, for 21 planes (most of them zeroes). That’s a month worth production of B25 in a day. I’m still far from depleting his pools, but every little bit helps.

Front lines

The more I look at my lines, the more I realize I am woefully unprepared right now. Of the 630 bases I hold, more than half are not garrisoned, and some areas, like Flores, and Timor, could fall very easily to a determined offensive. Fortunately, I believe my opponent was made prudent by the losses around Ndeni (the Lexington and a number of warships, just to take a small island held by a mere SNLF company, and is worried by the situation in Burma.

As a result, I am moving forward all the units I can find, and am trying to free more by moving restricted units from China into Indochina and Malaysia. The short term goal is to garrison, even lightly, all the front line bases I hold, to deny my opponent any free lunch. This is something I really should have done as I invaded: leave a unit, no matter how small, in every base you conquer that will be on your front line in late 42.

I believe I can correct this in a couple of months, February, say. My front line will not be as solid as I'd like, but it should be defendable. In the meantime, I intend to be as agressive as I can in Burma, and to show my carriers a bit, to try and dissuade my opponent.

Also, I also intend to slowly evacuate the southern Solomons, leave token garrisons, and move the troops to the Bismarck sea (and perhaps the northern Solomons). There is no point being cut off there, and I am happy leaving this area to my opponent in early 1943. In fact, I think I'd like him to notice the evacuation, and take advantage of it. Conquering Guadalcanal in early 43 achieves little, strategically, but if it can divert allies efforts while I repair my front lines, it is well worth the gambit.

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Ach, 11, 8, and 6 min warnings on those 3 attacks ... that is the key issue in your CAP. If you have to park some CA's that have gotten radar there to help .... you gotta get more warning or your luck is going to run out ...
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Ach, 11, 8, and 6 min warnings on those 3 attacks ... that is the key issue in your CAP. If you have to park some CA's that have gotten radar there to help .... you gotta get more warning or your luck is going to run out ...

A very good point! Looking back, I can see most of the raids that went very wrong had such short warnings.
In Rabaul, I have 2 Ta-Chi 3 and one Type 2 radars, but I dont seem to have ship radars now. In fact, apart from the Shokaku (which I won't park in in Rabaul), I haven't seen a radar abord, and the first upgrades with radars at in March 43.

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November 8th 1942

Burma


South of Akyab, our troops attacked after a day of rest. Only three enemy units were left, in move mode, no match for my tanks and infantry. Interestingly, those units did not retreat north east; along the road towards India, but east, into the jungle. We are now moving into the road hex east of Akyab. If we can capture it before the three units can march in, those troops will be cut off.

This reatreat cuts both ways, though. Now, the guard division that just advanced east of Akyab, and forced those units to retreat into Burma, is cut off from its supply base.

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November 9th 1942

The lone guardsmen

East of Akyab, the enemy attacked my lone division. It was costly, but we held our ground.

Ground combat at 55,45 (near Akyab)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 12361 troops, 225 guns, 504 vehicles, Assault Value = 513
Defending force 12568 troops, 121 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 402
Allied adjusted assault: 166
Japanese adjusted defense: 565
Allied assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1165 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled

Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
4th British Brigade
6th British Brigade
16th British Brigade

Defending units:
6th Guards Division


Two tank regiments are arriving tomorrow, reopening the lifeline to Rangoon. More units will be there the day after. For my opponent, it is tomorrow or never.

Kido-Bait

Kido Butai is now five carriers strong. With Lexington sunk and Yorktown probably in yard for a while, this should be enough. My other carriers are relocating to Surabaya, to punish enemy attemps in this area.

Today, I had ordered KB to sneak south of Shortlands, and bombard Rossel Island, just in case we’d find more big ships there. Unfortunately, there was nothing to be bombed in Rossel, and KB was detected by LB-30 from Ndeni, on naval attack. Given the damage I have seen heavy bombers dealing, I was more than a little afraid, but it seems their very low maneuverability make them inefficient against ships. And for once, my CAP had a field day: seven LB-30 are reported shot down, for a total of 17 out of 24 produced.

KB will now retire, I am not trying my luck another day. But it might make my opponent prudent in this area, which suits me fine.


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Ah, that's right you are still late '42. Even with 3 x radar .. .well they only have like 30% detection odds .. so you can do the math, plenty of opportunity for them NOT to pickup a raid. I think the Ta-Chi upgrades in early '43 and that will help detection %.
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November 10th 1942

Those newfangled contraptions


A bunch of AK had been detected in Terapo a few days ago. A submarine on patrol in the area was dispatched there, and met three US Wickes class DE with radar. Note to self: avoid those.

Submarine attack near Terapo at 96,127

Japanese Ships
SS I-121, hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
AK Algorab
AK Betelgeuse
DE Dent
DE Talbot
DE Chew

SS I-121 is sighted by escort
I-121 bottoming out ....
DE Dent attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-121 forced to surface!
DE Dent firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Talbot firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Chew firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Dent firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Talbot firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Chew firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Dent firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Talbot firing on surfaced sub ....
DE Chew firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves


A slow day over Burma

The British didn’t try another attack east of Akyab. The Guards division is now reinforced with tanks. I should have about 1400 AV there in a few days, and I doubt the British have enough time to reinforce or retreat. This also means the smaller stack that retreated into the jungle might not make it home. We will know by mid-November, but defeating both those stacks would probably make holding Akyab a gloomy prospect for the Allies.

Little happened today in lower Burma, skirmishes between his P40-K and my Oscars, mostly.
In upper Burma, two divisions are moving north, from Warazup, towards the Ledo Valley. I don’t want to fight in Ledo, but I’d love to cut the roads and railroads to Ledo and Imphal.

My opponent has spotted the move and sent bombers (Vengeance from Ledo) to slow my advance. They flew unescorted and found Zeroes from Myitkina on their way.

Morning Air attack on 27th Division, at 63,41 (Warazup)
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 16
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
Vengeance I: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


The combat report says two planes lost, but Tracker and the VP chart, say 8…A small victory, but a victory.

November 11th 1942

Close call


KB, retiring to Truk, was found by an enemy submarine, which missed, fortunately. One interesting feature of this report is that my opponent only saw one carrier, even though there are five in the task force.

Sub attack near Lihir at 112,121
Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
BB Kirishima
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Takao
CL Abukuma
CL Sendai
DD Takanami
DD Asanagi
DD Yudachi

Allied Ships
SS Whale

SS Whale launches 4 torpedoes at CV Akagi
Whale diving deep ....


More Burma - the new kid on the block

Oscars IIb are in production since the beginning of this month, and with 230 factories at work, I have several squadrons in operation. One of them is in Mandalay, and swept Imphal, where my opponent parks his Hurricanes. With decent pilots, Oscar IIa had a good chance against Hurricanes IIc, but the IIb has armor, better speed and climb, and good enough maneuver.

Afternoon Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 4 destroyed


Actual losses are 8 to 2. As the IIb is going to be my main fighter for the coming months, I am quite happy of this first result. Next step, testing it against the bad buffs and P38 over Rabaul.
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2 things to note:
1. Yes, the allied DE's are really deadly to IJ subs, and as they arrive the utility of IJ SS drops severely. This is the point in the war where I no longer build SS, except maybe a couple of Glen boats. A decent allied player is going to have DE's on patrol everywhere of concern to him and he gets enough of them to do just that ...

2. Combat reports aren't the same for both sides in PBEM ... see Rev Rick's post here: tm.asp?m=3356364&mpage=1&#
A lot of players make this assumption based upon their AI games where there is only one combat report (the AI one you never see, who knows what Andy AI is seeing [;)]).
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
2. Combat reports aren't the same for both sides in PBEM ... see Rev Rick's post here: tm.asp?m=3356364&mpage=1&#
A lot of players make this assumption based upon their AI games where there is only one combat report (the AI one you never see, who knows what Andy AI is seeing [;)]).

Is this true? I've been sending my combat report together with the replay to my opponent since the beginning of the war. I sort of remember he asked that to prevent the sync' bug which sometimes happen.

Francois

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I have never assumed they were .. but I am not a PBEM expert ... I have to defer to others on that.
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ORIGINAL: fcharton

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
2. Combat reports aren't the same for both sides in PBEM ... see Rev Rick's post here: tm.asp?m=3356364&mpage=1&#
A lot of players make this assumption based upon their AI games where there is only one combat report (the AI one you never see, who knows what Andy AI is seeing [;)]).

Is this true? I've been sending my combat report together with the replay to my opponent since the beginning of the war. I sort of remember he asked that to prevent the sync' bug which sometimes happen.

Francois


Yes, its true they are different. Especially naval battles. I wouldn't want my opponents seeing those unless they sent me theirs as well. You might ask for all of his if there are any things you're curious about. Things like ships sunk will appear on his where they might not on yours.


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No. The combat report is the same for both sides, unless there is a sync bug active that turn.

Even when there is no sync bug happening, the combat report can be different than the replay/animation.
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

No. The combat report is the same for both sides, unless there is a sync bug active that turn.

Even when there is no sync bug happening, the combat report can be different than the replay/animation.

I'm fairly sure the combat report for each player CAN be different when there is action that could be seen differently by each side. For instance, if a ship is hit there is often a discrepancy in the number of hits shown by each report, or the confirmation of sinking, which of course happens in one's own report but may not in the other report.

This is supported by the report listed above by Rev Rick. Have a look. You may simply be operating with this assumption because it hasn't happened in your experience, but how often do you see your opponent's reports? [:)]

I remember checking this once ages ago with Dan Nichols in our PBEM and we each had a report that varied in similar circumstances.
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Maybe I'm crazy, but why not have your opponent send his reports to you as well? [:)]
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Music for today is Mozart violin sonata K301, sight read last week-end with my violinist friend. Well, in fact, she sight read. I had spent most of the weekend trying to learn those faster bits that are supposed to sound oh so natural. This is how evil empires collapse. Instead of giving meaningful orders to their troops on the ground, emperors and their ministers play Mozart sonatas…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDUFbd4LuKs


November 12th 1942

Burmese tracks


The battle for the road to Akyab is raging, sort of. We achieve 1:2 odds with little casualties on both sides. I have changed my leaders, the enemy is unsupplied, but it won’t do. I will attack again in a few days. I’m in no hurry but it is a slow road.

Ground combat at 55,45 (near Akyab)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 21556 troops, 260 guns, 1118 vehicles, Assault Value = 1470
Defending force 12479 troops, 225 guns, 506 vehicles, Assault Value = 535

Japanese adjusted assault: 315
Allied adjusted defense: 641
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 179 (56 destroyed, 123 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
194 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 94 (41 destroyed, 53 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Tank Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
5th Guards Division
11th Tank Regiment
6th Guards Division
Guards Tank Division

Defending units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
4th British Brigade
6th British Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
16th British Brigade


Meanwhile, the enemy seems to be evacuating Akyab. I don’t know whether my opponent intends to leave, or just retreat troops along the coast and fortify it, and hold Akyab with the troops now on the road. I believe he will try to keep Akyab, for a while. It is a level four port and a level six airfield, and would be a very good supply hub and forward airbase.

But in reality, I very much doubt Akyab can hold. Four more infantry divisions are on their way, and my artillery from China is closing on Lashio, ready to be railed into Burma…

Air losses

Losses today were 9 allied planes to 3 ours. Yesterday was 3:13, the day before 3:11. My opponent has not visited Rabaul since the seventh, when he lost a score of bombers, and so most of the action is happening over Burma, where my Oscar II and Tojo IIa are giving his Hurricanes IIc and P40-K a hard time.

Oscar IIb production is ramping up nicely. I am converting and buying Nate squadrons now, and retiring Oscar I squadrons from the front lines, to turn them into training outfits. Next month we get the Tojo IIb, and more squadrons that can convert to it.

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