OT: Corona virus

[Canoerebel]

Man, a few people here simply have no sense of proportion and respect.

Nobody in this forum wants anybody to die. Nobody here (that I know of) is engaging in risky behavior. Everyone seems to be complying with regulations.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Sorry CR, but there is nothing incorrect about stating that those who are willing to expose other people (or are doing so), knowingly or not (almost certainly unknowingly), are putting other people in danger. On a large scale, that will lead to more deaths. If one disagrees with this, then it follows that one must also disagree with the entire concept of social distancing as a tool to prevent the spread of disease - because it's the same thing, just a matter of scale. I don't think you think that social distancing hasn't been effective (the opposite, in fact), so you should probably just concede the point rather than projecting hubris onto him.


And nothing about obvert's post that says "this is what you should think." He even went out of his way to point that out. Did you miss it?

Objective arguments may not actually sway our southern gentleman.

I'm sure he has read the science on correct distancing across a campfire over a number of hours, the percentage possibility of passing the virus while casually chatting on an Appalachian trail with wind speed, temperature and humidity taken into account.

The definition of hubris is actually quite interesting in this context. From Websters;

hubris: exaggerated pride or self-confidence

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Nigeria's Banner Oil Hits $12, Millions of Barrels Remain Unsold
April 17, 2020

https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/ ... ain-unsold


(Bloomberg) — The real oil market is killing Nigeria.


"One of the country’s benchmark grades, Bonny Light, fell to about $12 or $13 a barrel this week, according to traders monitoring the West African market. The deeply loss-making level shines a light on a chasm that’s emerged between real crude prices that producers are fetching, and headline futures contracts like Brent, which stood at about $28 on Friday."

Why is that? Is it black market oil? Unsafe to load on a tanker because of COVID?

Man, the mullahs in Iran must be sucking out of a dry straw by now. I sort of feel sorry for them...oh...wait..I'm over it.

No demand because of you know who...COVID.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Man, a few people here simply have no sense of proportion and respect.

Nobody in this forum wants anybody to die. Nobody here (that I know of) is engaging in risky behavior. Everyone seems to be complying with regulations.

I don't think anyone was specifically talking of forumites when they said certain policies could lead to spreading the virus. In those posts I took the term "you" to mean the adherent to that policy, not the reader of the post. Just substitute the term 'people' for 'you'.

[Canoerebel]

BBfanboy, I wish you were right. But note the comment above asking if I had been tested, apparently because I'm heading to the woods camping with wife and friends.

[Canoerebel]

See what I mean?

The arrogance here is remarkable.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Sorry CR, but there is nothing incorrect about stating that those who are willing to expose other people (or are doing so), knowingly or not (almost certainly unknowingly), are putting other people in danger. On a large scale, that will lead to more deaths. If one disagrees with this, then it follows that one must also disagree with the entire concept of social distancing as a tool to prevent the spread of disease - because it's the same thing, just a matter of scale. I don't think you think that social distancing hasn't been effective (the opposite, in fact), so you should probably just concede the point rather than projecting hubris onto him.


And nothing about obvert's post that says "this is what you should think." He even went out of his way to point that out. Did you miss it?

Objective arguments may not actually sway our southern gentleman.

I'm sure he has read the science on correct distancing across a campfire over a number of hours, the percentage possibility of passing the virus while casually chatting on an Appalachian trail with wind speed, temperature and humidity taken into account.

The definition of hubris is actually quite interesting in this context. From Websters;

hubris: exaggerated pride or self-confidence

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

BBfanboy, I wish you were right. But note the comment above asking if I had been tested, apparently because I'm heading to the woods camping with wife and friends.

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgia has banned the movement of all private vehicles from Friday until April 21, tightening a state of emergency in an effort to prevent spread of the coronavirus, the government said on Thursday.

“In case of violations of these restrictions, the government will be forced to declare strict quarantine,” Irakli Chikovani, the government spokesman, told a briefing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21Y39O

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

See what I mean?

The arrogance here is remarkable.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Sorry CR, but there is nothing incorrect about stating that those who are willing to expose other people (or are doing so), knowingly or not (almost certainly unknowingly), are putting other people in danger. On a large scale, that will lead to more deaths. If one disagrees with this, then it follows that one must also disagree with the entire concept of social distancing as a tool to prevent the spread of disease - because it's the same thing, just a matter of scale. I don't think you think that social distancing hasn't been effective (the opposite, in fact), so you should probably just concede the point rather than projecting hubris onto him.


And nothing about obvert's post that says "this is what you should think." He even went out of his way to point that out. Did you miss it?

Objective arguments may not actually sway our southern gentleman.

I'm sure he has read the science on correct distancing across a campfire over a number of hours, the percentage possibility of passing the virus while casually chatting on an Appalachian trail with wind speed, temperature and humidity taken into account.

The definition of hubris is actually quite interesting in this context. From Websters;

hubris: exaggerated pride or self-confidence

Haha. Yes. it is. You've finally gotten it! [:D]

[Canoerebel]

LOL.

Obvert has applied Asian Georgia regulations to USA Georgia.

[Canoerebel]

Nice try, Erik.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

BBfanboy, I wish you were right. But note the comment above asking if I had been tested, apparently because I'm heading to the woods camping with wife and friends.

TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgia has banned the movement of all private vehicles from Friday until April 21, tightening a state of emergency in an effort to prevent spread of the coronavirus, the government said on Thursday.

“In case of violations of these restrictions, the government will be forced to declare strict quarantine,” Irakli Chikovani, the government spokesman, told a briefing.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21Y39O

[Encircled]

I act like I've got it, but don't know it, all the time.

That way is the only safe way to go with the lack of tests.

Without a test, you cannot know if you have had it, have got it or have the beginnings of it.

[Encircled]

Oh, and we are about to run out of crucial PPE over here, which is something that was looking increasingly likely as soon as people started working out that the government and its cheerleaders say a lot, but don't do a lot.

Hopefully Johnson will be back at work soon (how bad has it got where you are hoping he can save us?!?) as the vacuum is clearly affecting the way we do things.

And we are miles behind in testing, and pretty much everything.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In turn, they don't need to be lecturing us and telling us what to do. Thus far, we're managing comparatively well.

warspite1

Can we be clear here - who are you accusing of telling you (the American people?) what to do? That comment suggests the American people are all of one mind on this. But many of those who are 'telling' you what you should do are echoing views of many Americans too.

I'd just like to be clear here on exactly what you mean to avoid mis-understanding. Thank-you.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel


Man, a few people here simply have no...... respect.

The arrogance here is remarkable.

warspite1

Indeed - a major lack of respect. I ask you a perfectly polite question seeking clarification and you simply choose to ignore it. How ignorant.

[Canoerebel]

Based upon reports in thus far, Italy continues to sustain a very tough fight.

Spain's mortality report today is down a lot. It'd be great if that wasn't an anomaly.

UK basically unchanged.

Belgium down 25% from yesterday. Netherlands nudged down.

France hasn't reported yet.

Germany remains low. Odd that Germany has a lot of cases but few deaths. Is that a measure of better/more effective treatment, the demographics of the population (younger), or a different way of reporting?

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

LOL.

Obvert has applied Asian Georgia regulations to USA Georgia.

I could live with that.

I love ponytails.

[Canoerebel]

Sorry, Warspite. I didn't see your question earlier. I wasn't ignoring you, so there was no lack of respect.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In turn, they don't need to be lecturing us and telling us what to do. Thus far, we're managing comparatively well.

warspite1

Can we be clear here - who are you accusing of telling you (the American people?) what to do? That comment suggests the American people are all of one mind on this. But many of those who are 'telling' you what you should do are echoing views of many Americans too.

I'd just like to be clear here on exactly what you mean to avoid mis-understanding. Thank-you.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel


Man, a few people here simply have no...... respect.

The arrogance here is remarkable.

warspite1

Indeed - a major lack of respect. I ask you a perfectly polite question seeking clarification and you simply choose to ignore it. How ignorant.

[Canoerebel]

Warspite, I scrolled back through about three pages to find the quote you're referring to, to get the context. I didn't see it.

But I'm sure I was referring to a handful of people here, from both sides of the Atlantic, that lecture others what they should think.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

See what I mean?

The arrogance here is remarkable.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Sorry CR, but there is nothing incorrect about stating that those who are willing to expose other people (or are doing so), knowingly or not (almost certainly unknowingly), are putting other people in danger. On a large scale, that will lead to more deaths. If one disagrees with this, then it follows that one must also disagree with the entire concept of social distancing as a tool to prevent the spread of disease - because it's the same thing, just a matter of scale. I don't think you think that social distancing hasn't been effective (the opposite, in fact), so you should probably just concede the point rather than projecting hubris onto him.


And nothing about obvert's post that says "this is what you should think." He even went out of his way to point that out. Did you miss it?

Objective arguments may not actually sway our southern gentleman.

I'm sure he has read the science on correct distancing across a campfire over a number of hours, the percentage possibility of passing the virus while casually chatting on an Appalachian trail with wind speed, temperature and humidity taken into account.

The definition of hubris is actually quite interesting in this context. From Websters;

hubris: exaggerated pride or self-confidence

Indeed.

Canoerebel is right.

It's the media/mind_messing/Lokasenna/Obvert/the government/public health professionals/scientists/statisticians etc that have got it wrong!

Delete as appropriate.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

LOL.

Obvert has applied Asian Georgia regulations to USA Georgia.

I could live with that.

I love ponytails.

Please don't make me stay home! NO! NO!.

[Chickenboy]

Every couple weeks I go see what the Conference Board is saying about different national economic indicators, whether they're leading (LEI), current (CEI) or lagging economic indicators. The Conference Board is also the determining body for whether we have, or have had a recession. A common (but mistaken) belief is that a recession is two consecutive quarters of economic contraction. It's not. These guys call the ball.

Anyways, this morning they updated their LEI/CEI models for the US. -6.7% LEIs MOM. The most in their 60 year history of monitoring these trends. Here's the press release and .pdf. Brutal. Just brutal. [X(]

https://www.conference-board.org/pdf_fr ... 202020.pdf