AE Land and AI Issues [OUTDATED]

[Andy Mac]

Its in game and is very usefull !!!

(ps Jeff is correct something has went wront the 40mm's are gone all the devices are out of kilter)

Time to recheck the lot again ......

[Andy Mac]

OK this is how it should have looked weird how it went wrong

p.s. dont rat me out to the project team but I am supposed to get permission to post screenies but this is a correction of a previous one so........

[Andy Mac]

So thats 9 Bns of Inf, 1 Div Recce Regt, 1 MMG Bn, 9 x Art Batteries, 3 x AT Coy, 3 x AA Coy, 3 x Field Coy, 1 x Field Park Coy

[JeffroK]

Will the AIF Pioneer Bns get represented as a "Corps Troops" unit, if so, shouldnt the AIF MG Bns also get shown in this way.
 
If you are still going with the 6pdr being available, 9th Divvy should have 6pdrs in its AT Bn when arriving at Aden, I believe the Bn AT platoons still had 2 pdrs.
 
I will also check up on something K mentioned, I believe some equipment was left in the Middle East, like AFV & Guns.

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

I think from memory I used the MH as a proxy armoured car in place of Stuarts/Vickers Light Tanks for the Aus Div Cav but it should have been a mix of Bren Sections and Ard Cars (which ironically is what the Brit Recce Rgets have at start.)

My assumption is that when they arrive they are at ME TOE and then they lose the Div Cav in 42 when they get the lighter TOE. The Div Cav become either the Cavalry Commandos or inf/ard replacements for other units

To late for next testing build I will amend for next submission

AIF Divisional Cavalry Regiment TOE 1939-41:

Regimental HQ with 4x Mk.VI Light tank, 2x scout carrier
3x Squadron, each with:
Squadron HQ with 2x Mk.VI Light tank, 2x scout carrier
2x Troop, each with 3x Mk.VI Light tank
4x Troop (7 men), each with 3x Scout carrier, 3x LMG, 3x ATR

Total: 28x Mk.VI Light tank, 44x Scout carrier, 12x Rifle section

2/9th Divisional Cavalry Regiment 1942 (TOE):

Regimental HQ with 2x Tank, 1x Scout carrier
3x Squadron, each with
Squadron HQ with 2x Tank, 2x Scout carrier
1x Troop with 4x Tank
5x Troop (7 men), each with 3x Scout carrier, 3x LMG, 3x ATR

Total: 20x Tank, 52x Scout Carrier, 15x Rifle section

At Alamein the regiment had 15x Crusader and 5x Stuart tanks

Source: British Armies of WW2, The Australian Army, by Ryan, Hughes, Rothwell

[Chad Harrison]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

The sub-editor part is quite clearly an in game screen.

Looks good!

Personally, for me, all these changes are of the To Good to Be True category, so I double check on all of them!! [X(]

[Andy Mac]

I have slightly different figures but not much
 
RHQ (1 x Tank and 4 x Carrier)
3 Sqns each of (SHQ 1 x Tank and 2 Carriers)
 
2 x Troops of 3 Tanks
3 x Troops of 3 Carriers
 
and
 
2 Troops of 4 MMG's and 4 Carriers
 
So total 18 Tanks in Sqns and 4 Tanks in RHQ and 27 Bren Gun Carriers and 8 MMG Carriers (plus 10 Carriers in the HQ)
 
This gets represented as
 
9 x Bren Sections (each 3x3 man Bren Teams)
4 x Vickers MMG (each 2 Vickers MMG)
18 or 22 x Armoured Cars/Light Tanks
 
Source British and Commonwealth Armies Volume 1 by Mark Bevis [:D][:D]

[Reg]

Andy,

My sources (Handel again) line up almost exactly with Kereguelen, even to the numbers of vehicles (though he doesn't mention captured types).

However, what he doesn't say is that all equipment was returned to British stocks before leaving the Middle East and the Cavalry units re-equipped with Bren Carriers* on return to Australia.

* Including some of these beauties below (are these included in the game??)

[Reg]

And to prove they are real, here is a scan of the workshop manual which someone once kindly loaned me to read.

[Reg]

A picture of the 3" Mortar version using the same extended chassis and turntable as the AT variant. Note the ammunition lockers around the sides.

All 400 manufactured were exported in late '43 (Andy, you will see this on the table I sent you) and I'm not sure where they ended up!!

[JeffroK]

Reg
 
At least 1 sample ended up in the museum at Bandiana

[Andy Mac]

My source is pretty good so I am going to stick with it it is an early 42 TOE I also have the TOE K refers to from the Div in Syria.
 
One reason for not giving the Cav Crusader Tanks etc is I dont believe these were allowed to leave the M/e
 
So where a tanks or Armoured Car is required I am giving them a SA build Marmon Harrington A/C as a proxy.
 
The Div Cav Regts dissapear pretty quickly so a small abstration is not a huge issue here.
 
Andy

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

One reason for not giving the Cav Crusader Tanks etc is I dont believe these were allowed to leave the M/e

Seems to be correct:

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/Armour ... 0Under.htm

But check out the main page, contains lots of information about Aussie armoured vehicles (including Marmon-Harringtons):

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/armourframe.htm

[Andy Mac]

Aye I used both those web sites when building it !!!
 
But I took the decision not to include the MH tank or the other low number AFV's they are all represented by the Improvised AFV device.
 
I had to leave something for the modders to do after all !!!!
 
Re the Aus Cav I made the broad assumption that the Cav Regts returning from the M/E with their Divisions are using a mix of Carriers with Brens or Vickers and Marmon Harrington Armoured Cars.
 
The exact mix can be argued with depending on which day you choose to take the TOE from (they changed devices dependent on what was availoable and what was required by the Ard Bdes pretty much every other week)
 
I have chosen to take the 22 Armoured Car, 35 Carrier fighting TOE (plus RHQ and SHQ vehicles classed as Mot Support)
 
I am sure others will take different views
 
Andy

[Chad Harrison]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Got a little taster to share with you its all subject to change still but I figured it was worth a look

Just noticed something that again is under the To Good to Be True classification. The infantry bde's of the 6th Australian Division in your screen are NOT named simply A/B/C as they are in WitP, but have their actual, correct names!! (16th, 17th and 19th Infantry Bde)

Is this typical for all divisions ingame now? If so, will the Bde/Rgt have different arrival dates, or will the division show up as a whole?

To be more specific, if in WitP:AE I split up the 2nd Marine Division, I will get the 2nd, 6th and 8th Marines instead of generic A, B and C of the 2nd Marine Division?

If so, will a late war Marine division have five components: 3 rifle regiments, 1 armored Bn and 1 artillery regiment? Or will the artillery be tied as equal parts into the rifle regiments?

Getting excited about this may seem silly for some people, but its the little things like this that make me love this game.

Thanks

Chad

[Mike Solli]

Ooo, I hadn't caught that.  That would be really nice to have. 

[Andy Mac]

Sorry guys no can do if a Division arrives broken down you can name it anything you like in the Editor and we have tried to make it historic but after you recombine it for the first time that data is lost.

So for the CW at start most non Indian Divs are set to arrive as either Bdes or in some case Bdes and Bns (so all Aus Divs are broken down most British)

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Aus DIvs arrive pre broken down
2nd, 18th and if my memory is correct 5th British arrive broken down

70th British Doesnt as its to hard because of the Chindit conversions

36th Indian/Brit Div arrives broken down as its a weird unit that changes nationality

9th/11th/14th/17th and 1st Burma Divs are all broken down to cover historic deployments.

3rd NZ Div is broken down but does not have a recombine option because of its weird nature

1st RM/ 3rd British/ 6th Canadian (All X Corps 11/45) 4th/8th and 10th Indian (All late 1945)  and 5th/6th (only if India is invaded) /7th/19th/20th/23rd/25th/26th Indian and 9th Australian arrive as whole Divisions without the named breakdown

Basically most early war forces arrive as named Bdes and Bns

After its combined for the 1st time if you want to split it down in future you get the A/B/C split

The 1st 9 months of the war are at Bde scale more or less so most units arrive as Bdes but after that the game is really a Divisional game as Bdes are no longer sufficient so forces tend to arrive as Divs.

(Also the Indian Divs were just to much grief as so many Bdes moved around)

p.s. its not possible to upgrade the broken down sub units TOE so you will need to combine them to get the benefit of upgraded TOE's

Andy

[Mike Solli]

Ah well.  It was nice to dream for a bit.  Thanks Andy.

[witpqs]

A -II item.

[JeffroK]

re Aust Div Cav Rgts
 
6 Div Cav left its Mk VII Lt Tanks in the ME, it only took its carriers back to Aust.  In Aust after leave it only operated in the traditional role for a short time before retraining as Infantry (To the Green Fields Beyond - Unit History)
 
Aust Field Rgts - speed of movement.
2/7 Fd Rgt (9 Div) left its Guns and Transport in Egypt.
Left Ismailia 1/2/43 on Nieuw Amsterdam
Refuelled Addu Atoll 10/2/43
Arrived Fremantle 18/2/43
Convoy was Queen Mary, Nieuw Amsterdam, Aquitania, Queen of Bermuda, Isle de France and carried to entire 9th Div.
Arrived Melbourne 23/2/43
 
Division reformed Atherton Tablelands 17/4/43
 
2/7 Fd Rgt received its first guns on 11/4/43