Hairy Asian Experiences - GreyJoy (J) vs. Q-Ball (A)

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

At Tsuyun we reinforced the place with 6000 supplies and some engineers. Now we have 16 aviation support and 125 AVs... should arrive at 150 within the next 2 days and forts should be up to level 1. Don't know if i can handle a chinese shock attack when they'll cross the river... 18k men are advancing....quite a lot...i have barely 3500... and no heavy guns with me...the only good thing is that my units there are really crack ones, with top leaders...maybe we can have some good bonuses..... who knows!

18k is lot but it is only number no more that 300AV at best. Probably ~100AV
Your troops are fresh, experienced with good morale.
His troops have low morale,XP and probably half of his squads is disabled.
Oh, and they have almost no supplies.

Send your bombers against those troops for few days to build disruption and fatigue and after that when they shock attack they will be executed by your men.

EDIT:
I think Tuyun is wood rough terrain, that should triple your AV plus fort 1 will give another 10% so you should be ok.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert
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Nicely done. If you haven't found them out yet the combat engineer units from Mancuria are perfect for this kind of mission. Engineers and AV, plus cheap to buy out and can be flown around easily.
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*Hey obvert, did you attend GreyJoy's classes on "Place Name Simplification"? [;)]


*(Spurious post to increase GJ's post count - nothing to do with AAR action or plans)

[Cap Mandrake]

"boogie"-woogie

[Cap Mandrake]

Plotting "bogies" while listening to "boogie-woogie". Yes, I see what CR was talking about.

[GreyJoy]

Oh, now i see .... "bogies" [:D]
 
Thanks guys. I swear my english will improve[;)]
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 19, 42
 
Q-Ball sent what was left of his AVG to LRCAP Tsuyun... my CAP was too low and he probably sent his planes at 20k...so we ended up the fight with 3 zeros lost, 3 Oscars and 6 Sallies... and, above all, 5 crack fighter pilots lost... Oh well, my bad. However Tsuyun today has 130 AVs and 8,000 supplies and 1 fort[;)]...not bad!
 
At Palembang he sent his damned ducth bombers at 1000 ft....my CAP was too high and i got a transport badly damaged...
 
The good news of the day is that, finally, one of my AMCs found something (else than a sure death) north of NZ...a convoy with troops.... we did pretty well i'd say and even if we didn't destroy the whole little convoy, it feels good to finally make some allied soldiers sink in their ships[:D]
 
The invasion of Ambon is on the move. Probably in 4 days we'll be ready to land.
 
At Horn Island he has 5 units and 6,000 men!!!! [:o]...think a regiment won't be enough....I will probably have to use those units devoted to Ambon once the latter falls....i'm fallin way behind my planned scheldue...uffff[:o]
 
At Jahore Baru i had to order some units to move back...the stacking limit is 75,000 there and there's no way i can place there the equivalent of 6 divisions plus all the supporting units (HQs, Arty, Ind Engineer rgts etc) without burning all my supplies.... more days lost....[8|]
 
 
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Norfolk Island at 114,175, Range 17,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      AMC Kinryu Maru
 
Allied Ships
      PG Herald
      xAP Adelong, Shell hits 2,  on fire
      xAP Corio
      xAP Echunga, Shell hits 4
      xAP Iron Master
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      47 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
 
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Norfolk Island at 114,173, Range 9,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      AMC Kinryu Maru, Shell hits 1
 
Allied Ships
      PG Herald, Shell hits 3,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      xAP Adelong, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      xAP Corio, Shell hits 2,  heavy fires
      xAP Echunga, Shell hits 3
      xAP Iron Master, Shell hits 1
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      433 casualties reported
         Squads: 2 destroyed, 15 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
         Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 60th Chinese/B Corps, at 75,50 , near Kweiyang
 
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
 
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 39
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 8
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      H81-A3 x 12
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed
 
No Allied losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      30 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84
 
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 91
      Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 6
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 16
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 11 damaged
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 5 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      8 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
 
 
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22
 

It's been nearly a month now since we started the carpet bombing of Singapore...the base is trashed since then...wonder how's his supply situation....
 
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Palembang at 48,91
 
Weather in hex: Light rain
 
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 8
      Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 18
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      139WH-3 x 6
      B-339D x 12
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied aircraft losses
      B-339D: 4 destroyed
 
Japanese Ships
      xAK Nansin Maru, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
 
 
  
 

[Cap Mandrake]

Whoa! Kinryu Maru kicks behind! Sorry for the hijack. Audacious posting of a converted cargo ship.




4 x 152mm (6-inch)/50 cal guns, 2 x 13mm AA guns, 2 x 53cm torpedo tubes, 1 x 110cm searchlight, 1 x floatplane.

[ny59giants]

It's been nearly a month now since we started the carpet bombing of Singapore...the base is trashed since then...wonder how's his supply situation....

Until you cross over and cause his economy to stop producing, he has enough fuel and resources to keep his HI and LI producing.

[JohnDillworth]

Thanks guys. I swear my english will improve

No, please...we are fine with your English. I need the drinks, trust me

[GreyJoy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 20, 42

So at Tsuyun the first shock attack is easily repulsed. I got a 1-46 odds. He has a foothold beyond the river but tomorrow we'll airlift the 3rd regiment of the 38th and this should give the defenders the time needed to wait for reinforcements.
In the south we're marching steadly towards Liuchow. Once this city is captured (and i have good feelings about that) the whole Changsha front may be in danger.
I sent 4 tank units and a regiment from Luzon to Canton. In less than a week they should be already marching towards Liuchow...


Ground combat at Tuyun (74,51)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6797 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 197

Defending force 4618 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Allied adjusted assault: 8

Japanese adjusted defense: 373

Allied assault odds: 1 to 46 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Allied ground losses:
1521 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 151 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled


Assaulting units:
60th Chinese/A Corps
60th Chinese/B Corps

Defending units:
1st Raiding Regiment
Yokosuka Assault SNLF
5th Guards Engr Rgt /1
1st JAAF AF Coy
2nd JAAF AF Coy /1

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Another AMC of mine found a convoy near canton Island... didn't manage to inflict lots of damages but this should force him to escort his convoys in a more intensive way...

Day Time Surface Combat, near Jarvis Island at 164,146, Range 16,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Akagi Maru

Allied Ships
PC Alert
AO Patoka, Shell hits 1
xAK Alabaman, Shell hits 1
xAK Alaskan
xAK Arkansan


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He tried to ambush my fleet at Tarakan from Balikapan....his bombers are repulsed with heavy losses and no gains...

Morning Air attack on Tarakan , at 67,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 13



Allied aircraft
139WH-3 x 22


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
139WH-3: 4 destroyed, 2 damaged

[crsutton]

Your grab of Tsuyun is a very big deal in my eyes. Qball made a serious mistake by leaving it undefended. Kweiyang is the key to all of central China and to lose it early is a total disaster for the Allied player. Good Allied play means that these two cities should be held well through 1943. Even if he throws you out, he will be in a seriously bad position. Against a determined Japanese attack, the Allied player needs to hold China for a long as possible, and this area is critical for that. I would use every thing I have in China to exploit this opening that he has given you.

You might just hold because as you know the exp and morale of Chinese units at this point of the war is just terrible.

[GreyJoy]

Sian-Sector

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Your grab of Tsuyun is a very big deal in my eyes. Qball made a serious mistake by leaving it undefended. Kweiyang is the key to all of central China and to lose it early is a total disaster for the Allied player. Good Allied play means that these two cities should be held well through 1943. Even if he throws you out, he will be in a seriously bad position. Against a determined Japanese attack, the Allied player needs to hold China for a long as possible, and this area is critical for that. I would use every thing I have in China to exploit this opening that he has given you.

You might just hold because as you know the exp and morale of Chinese units at this point of the war is just terrible.

Yup, i consider it a bad mistake by QBall. It is in a good terrain and it's the beginning of the vital RR that leads to Changsha. My idea is to force now a double movement. A reinforced push to open a way from HK directly to Tsuyun, by conquering Liuchow and possibly Kweiling and a blitz manovre towards nanyang, possibly encircling large armies of chinese troops. If these two moves are done, i should be able to apply a strong indirect pressure on Chansga sector, so that he will have to decide wheater to hold there - and so expose the central china - or to abbandon it and try to estabilish a new defensive line in the north....

with a full regiment of the 38th Division, the whole defensive AV of Tsuyun should arrive up to 300 and forts are growing up fast, thanks to the 5th Guards eng regiment.... i don't think the chinese will be able to break my perimeter there before my armies open the way at Liuchow....

[GreyJoy]

Planned chinese pockets

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Your grab of Tsuyun is a very big deal in my eyes. Qball made a serious mistake by leaving it undefended. Kweiyang is the key to all of central China and to lose it early is a total disaster for the Allied player. Good Allied play means that these two cities should be held well through 1943. Even if he throws you out, he will be in a seriously bad position. Against a determined Japanese attack, the Allied player needs to hold China for a long as possible, and this area is critical for that. I would use every thing I have in China to exploit this opening that he has given you.

You might just hold because as you know the exp and morale of Chinese units at this point of the war is just terrible.

I agree. This will help the whole SE collapse more quickly if you can keep a hold on Tuyun and continue to push toward Liuchow. Amazing he left so little up there. I'm guessing there must be a good number of troops still in Chunking but they'll take a while to get down there.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Your grab of Tsuyun is a very big deal in my eyes. Qball made a serious mistake by leaving it undefended. Kweiyang is the key to all of central China and to lose it early is a total disaster for the Allied player. Good Allied play means that these two cities should be held well through 1943. Even if he throws you out, he will be in a seriously bad position. Against a determined Japanese attack, the Allied player needs to hold China for a long as possible, and this area is critical for that. I would use every thing I have in China to exploit this opening that he has given you.

You might just hold because as you know the exp and morale of Chinese units at this point of the war is just terrible.

I agree. This will help the whole SE collapse more quickly if you can keep a hold on Tuyun and continue to push toward Liuchow. Amazing he left so little up there. I'm guessing there must be a good number of troops still in Chunking but they'll take a while to get down there.

With 4 tank units and another experienced regiments arriving at Canton we really should open the way towards Liuchow pretty fast. In open terrain and with a strong airbase nearby (Canton), Liuchow shouldn't be a great problem. Once liuchow is captured we could rail in enough troops to make Tsuyun a fortress. Then we'll be able to decide what to do with Changsha....i'd love to see it abbandoned but i guess QBall is too smart to do that...

[obvert]

If your plan works he'd be very smart to abandon Changsha and concentrate on better defensive territory. If you do get Liuchow and keep Tuyun this early he's in trouble. He'll likely have to pull back to Kweiyang and the area around Chihkiang.

[GreyJoy]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 21, 42

A lucky non detonating dutch torp on the Hosho....man, that was close[X(]
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Sub attack near Taliaboe at 72,104

Japanese Ships
CVE Hosho
BB Haruna
CA Suzuya
CA Mogami
DD Ayanami
DD Nenohi
DD Karukaya
DD Fuyo
DD Hayate
DD Oite

Allied Ships
SS KVIII


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Allied cruisers bomb Adak...no damage reported a part from some support squads...

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Chicago
CA Portland
DD Selfridge
DD Porter

Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled



Port hits 5

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Morning Air attack on 9th Indian Division, at 50,84 (Singapore)

we bombed singapore troops.... wow...seems like i'll be facing the same 1300 AVs obert faced in his first shock attack....[:(]

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 85
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 15
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15



Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 14 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Also attacking 22nd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking III Indian Corps ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 22nd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 22nd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking Singapore Fortress ...
Also attacking 9th Indian Division ...
Also attacking 22nd Australian Brigade ...
Also attacking 11th Indian Division .....



But the river crossing south of Chengchow went really well. We destroyed 1 enemy corp and we trashed another one, opening a Gap in his perimeter! Now 1300 AVs of infantry will flow in, while my tanks will push westward! BANZAI!!!

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Ground combat at 87,45 (near Chengchow)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 7046 troops, 14 guns, 795 vehicles, Assault Value = 506

Defending force 4338 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 105

Japanese adjusted assault: 603

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 603 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
4641 casualties reported
Squads: 200 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 207 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 46 (46 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1
Units destroyed 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
1st Recon Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
20th Recon Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
5th Tank Regiment
8th Recon Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
10th Tank Regiment
26th Recon Regiment

Defending units:
48th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps




It seems that he's abbandoning Changsha area and Liuchow too...lots of units moving west and north!

[TheLoneGunman_MatrixForum]

Keep the pressure on him in China.

For all of your fretting about time tables, you have accelerated your Chinese time table by at least an entire year.

If all goes well, you'll be sipping sake in India in no time!

Edit: If you think his units are in "move" or "strategic move" mode in that area, concentrate your bombers on them.

[ny59giants]

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Chicago
CA Portland
DD Selfridge
DD Porter

This tells me he detached these ships from a CV TF to use for this mission. That number of American CAs this early in the war indicates this happened, IMO. So, he still has a CV in the Aleutians.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: TheLoneGunman

Keep the pressure on him in China.

For all of your fretting about time tables, you have accelerated your Chinese time table by at least an entire year.

If all goes well, you'll be sipping sake in India in no time!

Edit: If you think his units are in "move" or "strategic move" mode in that area, concentrate your bombers on them.

I'm trying to do that. India is a "mirage" at the moment, so i better not to even think about it. Better to concentrate on finishing the DEI in time and to keep on pushing in China. A decent China-dedicated strategy, at this point, could be a wise move for my first japanese campaign...


As you can see, it seems that he's moving back towards a new perimeter...let's see if these moves are just decoys or if it's about a general retreat... We'll enter with a division and an army HQ tomorrow in Liuchow, while a mixed Bde will enter in Kweiling, where he reinforced with 5 units. My goal, for the moment, is to make a road-block at Kweiling and concentrate on Liuchow. 6 artillery units and several tanks will arrive shortly, along with some more infantry