History repeats itself, almost

[freeboy]

Notice above All strat points from Tokyo, and there will be a big ship swing as his fleets find no home ports left as the game winds down in 45

Strat points now over 11.5k and rising
closing in on 7k behind mark...

[freeboy]

HOLY MOLY AIR RAID SAN FRANSISCO!

Day Air attack on San Francisco , at 139,46

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 58
D4Y Judy x 123
B6N Jill x 37
B7A Grace x 123

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 20
Hellcat II x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed
B6N Jill: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
B7A Grace: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged
Hellcat II: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 27, Torpedo hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 28, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
LSM LSM-317, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(R) LCS(L)-34, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(M) LCI(M)-631, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Czech. Victory, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LCI(R) LCI(R)-230, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SS Tench, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
26 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
25 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
24 x B6N Jill bombing at 28000 feet
26 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
16 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
13 x B7A Grace bombing at 35000 feet
18 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B7A Grace bombing at 35000 feet
18 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
10 x B7A Grace bombing at 35000 feet
12 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
11 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
15 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
12 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 136,48

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 41

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 15
TBM Avenger x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 9 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 20 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Chiyoda, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat at 136,48

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo
CVL Ryuho
CVL Chiyoda
CA Maya, Shell hits 2
CL Oi, Shell hits 1
DD Asashio
DD Minegumo
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Shigure
DD Hatakaze

Allied Ships
DE Hodges
DE Holt, Shell hits 2, on fire
DE Jobb, Shell hits 1, on fire
DE Daniel A. Joy, Shell hits 1, on fire
DE Charles J. Kimmel, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Lough
DE Thomas F. Nickel, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Peiffer, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Riley
DE Tinsman
APD Hopping
DMS Hogan
MSW Facility, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SC SC-704
SC SC-705
SC SC-706
SC SC-708
SC SC-751

[LittleJoe]

Lmao!

A suprise attack on San Franciso in 1944, absolutely brilliant, what must the public be thinking, all this news about us winning the war are all propaganda and lies!


The Japs are coming!


[:D][:D]

[freeboy]

150 fighters sitting around.. should have been on CAP.. I have a feeling those ccarriers are not going to make it home! fortunately I moved some fleets out recently.. btw both carriers sunk!
Time to kill some jap fleets.... how about that odd asw tf intercepting his carriers outside of SF.. too bad they where not better equiped! harpoons !

[LittleJoe]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

150 fighters sitting around.. should have been on CAP.. I have a feeling those ccarriers are not going to make it home! fortunately I moved some fleets out recently.. btw both carriers sunk!
Time to kill some jap fleets.... how about that odd asw tf intercepting his carriers outside of SF.. too bad they where not better equiped! harpoons !

Wouldnt blame yourself for it, i wouldnt expect a port attack on San fran at this stage, funny thing is i was planning to do somthing similar in my practice game against allies in 1945 campaign.

All credit to Zeta for contining to battle on

[Tom Hunter]

At this point I would exect just about anything from Zeta he is very resourceful.


He is slowly narrowing the CV gap freeboy, you better watch out.

[mogami]

Hi, LOL Go Zeta. However I warned him a while back to move all ships out of Home Islands to ports up north so I am somewhat disappointed to see he allowed his shipping to be caught in Tokyo. He can't afford to award the Allies any more easy VP.
Many months ago in testing before release in published AAR between Mr Frag and myself Frag attempted to bomb Tokyo early in war.
As a result in all my games since as both Japan and Allies I have maintained air patrol/CAP/ and naval strike groups in all my rear area ports. SF always has 4 fighter groups with 2 set to CAP and 2 on escort.
Both SF and Tokyo have submarine picket lines deployed for early warning.

"The price of safety is eternal vigilance"

[Bradley7735]

Zeta is definately one tough opponent. I am curious how many of those ships actually sank? It's a big port. I assume both carriers sank, but maybe not?

[Kwik E Mart]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

trying to kill ships targeting port, repair and ships.. maybe I can actual get one to sink!

Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 189
PB4Y Liberator x 166
B-24J Liberator x 115
B-29 Superfortress x 51


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

any AA units in Tokyo? these losses seem low for an attack on a national capital...bombing at 13k - perhaps they are too high for AA to be effective?

separate question - japanese plane losses are over 14,000 allied over 20,000 - is this anywhere near historical? just curious...

[LittleJoe]

Freeboy can now convince the American public that the firebombing and the future use of Atomic bombs on Japan is nessacary!

Makes me laugh at how the people just walking around the port must of been thinking as Graces buzzed over there heads.

[X(]

Possibly the greatest suprise attack pulled off by anyone in this game.

[CapAndGown]

Hats off to Zeta! I find it funny that people complain about being able to move everything forward in this game and not gaurd one's rear as IRL. But if you do that, this is exactly the risk you are running, just as IRL.

[Alikchi2]

Zeta's resilience continues to amaze me. What a brilliant maneuever. Kudos! [&o]

[Zeta16]

Ok here is why I did the great death ride of 44. first I hit of his shipping between Wake and Midway while his carriers were around Iwo. Next I figured I would try to get them home but he moved his fleet to blocking postion between in the north area of Hi, so going home was death. So I figured if I am going to die to do it in style. The ships in Tokyo would be sunk now if up north as he has blasted my bases to the north with his death star in search of my carriers. They are taking bombs that could be getting S points. I have a few AA units there along with a bunch of Base Forces with AA guns. They don't seem to hit much do they. As this game has gone on I have found that AA units do not do much, oh well. Lets see how my Kami carriers meet there final end, They have done better in the war than I have ever imagined. I just wish there where a few more carriers in SF it would have been great to sink like 10 that would have pissed freeboy off real bad.

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

ORIGINAL: freeboy

trying to kill ships targeting port, repair and ships.. maybe I can actual get one to sink!

Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 189
PB4Y Liberator x 166
B-24J Liberator x 115
B-29 Superfortress x 51


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
PB4Y Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

any AA units in Tokyo? these losses seem low for an attack on a national capital...bombing at 13k - perhaps they are too high for AA to be effective?

separate question - japanese plane losses are over 14,000 allied over 20,000 - is this anywhere near historical? just curious...

AA in WITP is less effective against big raids. Gunners ran to hide themselves if more than some tens of bombers come. And don't speak of bombs neutralizing AA, in any case the X first bombers should have roughly the same losses and then the loss rate should decrease... In WITP a raid by 50 planes may have up to 10 times more losses than a raid by 200 to AA fire (on the same target).

Very well done, Zeta... Can we call that a kamikaze CV raid ? Probably.... If you never plan to see these ships return to their own base, bomb the Allied industry, now that you have sunk both CVs based here. Allied CAP won't be everywhere and your 250+ bombers may score 1000 points in a day (hit all types of industry).

Or you may revert to naval attack, there should be convoys around there, and maybe they are troop-laden.

[LittleJoe]

Set all your carrier groups to kamikaize and sail up and down the coast.


Just so you dont waste any planes when the carriers sink [;)]

[AmiralLaurent]

ORIGINAL: Zeta16

Ok here is why I did the great death ride of 44. first I hit of his shipping between Wake and Midway while his carriers were around Iwo. Next I figured I would try to get them home but he moved his fleet to blocking postion between in the north area of Hi, so going home was death. So I figured if I am going to die to do it in style. The ships in Tokyo would be sunk now if up north as he has blasted my bases to the north with his death star in search of my carriers. They are taking bombs that could be getting S points. I have a few AA units there along with a bunch of Base Forces with AA guns. They don't seem to hit much do they. As this game has gone on I have found that AA units do not do much, oh well. Lets see how my Kami carriers meet there final end, They have done better in the war than I have ever imagined. I just wish there where a few more carriers in SF it would have been great to sink like 10 that would have pissed freeboy off real bad.

I find it very hard to sink merchant ships in size 10 ports... as they are not priority one targets, bombs are scattered between all ships and so few of them are heavily damaged each turn. SYS damaged is going up but any port with 100+ AP/AK will probably see few sink, even if all will be very heavily damaged. Anyway these ships have no more place to go.

Z, don't try to hit the ships in SF another time, you will see the same, you will damaged many merchant ships but this has no value to you. As I said above your next target should be ships at sea between USA and PH.

If you are really in kamikaze mode (no fuel to come back), why not bombard with your warships the States... At this stage of the war, there are probably no more minefields.

[freeboy]

OK, I was really laughing at these posts.. I did recently have multiple BB and CV in SF and he just missed three troop shipments!..
I really thought he slipped by me, annd my early warning radar, in my heart.. was pinging madly.. thought he was going to hit Iwo with a raid..???
BUT SF??? OUCHIE fortunately I lost one US cv and one Brit.. and I should get out of this above 2-1.. my new goal in post 44 action.. kill twice the points I lose!..

I cannot believe I saw something like 25k fires in Tokyo and hardly any damage...
Tom,
Zeta has what 11 carriers of all types.. hum, I have maybe 80.. do not worry too much.. its coordinating all that firepower and tracking these F***ERS down..
another oddity.. my signet button vanished... Zeta.. is yours still on your screen?


New Zeta16 v Freeboy coming soon to a board near you:

REVENGE OF THE BB's[:-]

[Bradley7735]

Freeboy, I haven't been able to get a firestorm going in my game vs the AI. I didn't try too much, and now I've started over with 1.5, but I wonder if the firestorm rules are working. I would bomb the same city for 5 consecutive days with about 150 b-29's in each raid. I'd get about 150 to 200 manpower hits per day. I only scored 30 strategic points in damaged industries. Not really much at all. I would get fires over 10k, but no real noticable damage.

[freeboy]

I am not sure about the firestorms, but I have already gotten a ton of points at Tokyo..
my first firestorm got around 150 points..
In othe r news massive Chineese forces are facing MAssive JAp forces in Canton..
this is a complete reversal of early war situation, as the troops are now pulling supplies as Nanning and area secured to open supplies from Karachi
Where will Mac strike out from PI?
these Brits keep pooring into Hanoi, it will fall, and I am scouting out some future b29 bases... looking good in Korea..![:-]

[Zeta16]

ORIGINAL: freeboy

OK, I was really laughing at these posts.. I did recently have multiple BB and CV in SF and he just missed three troop shipments!..
I really thought he slipped by me, annd my early warning radar, in my heart.. was pinging madly.. thought he was going to hit Iwo with a raid..???
BUT SF??? OUCHIE fortunately I lost one US cv and one Brit.. and I should get out of this above 2-1.. my new goal in post 44 action.. kill twice the points I lose!..

I cannot believe I saw something like 25k fires in Tokyo and hardly any damage...
Tom,
Zeta has what 11 carriers of all types.. hum, I have maybe 80.. do not worry too much.. its coordinating all that firepower and tracking these F***ERS down..
another oddity.. my signet button vanished... Zeta.. is yours still on your screen?


New Zeta16 v Freeboy coming soon to a board near you:

REVENGE OF THE BB's[:-]

To be frank I have not look at signet in a long time, as it is usless to Japan.