Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Tookatee]

I believe I see the issue you may have been trying to convey, however it's not exactly what you said initially. Currently, all of the SA-2 variants (including all versions of the Chinese HQ-2) do not engage their FCR's to begin tracking a target. This is not because of a lack of a TV guidance system, but because the game itself is not telling the associated radars to come online and begin getting a lock (as they normally would once the cuing radar has determined that the target is within range of the FCR's higher resolution radar).

The SA-2 requires altitude information about its target before it can begin an engagement (something which would normally be given by an another third party height finding radar such as the P-11 Side Net or it's own Fan Song FCR once it's been cued towards the heading of the target by the P-12.) You'll see that once it has altitude information about its target that it will begin its engagements fine. So for now while this is still an issue just place down a P-11 Side Net or other similar height finding radar if you want your SAMs operating normally.

Also be mindful that the earlier variants of the SA-2 are very susceptible to jamming, so if you're testing with any units with onboard DECM or have an active jammer on the map the system will find it hard to lock them at a distance. In addition to the fact that lower RCS contrast targets like fighters vs large transport aircraft also affect the ability for these older radars to get a proper lock.

If you wish to respond to this please edit your last comment with your response rather than creating a new comment as that prevents tangential message spam. I will of course do the same with this one.

[Tookatee]

The #1319, #172, #1328, #1464, #2448, #2651, #1406, #3147, #1482, #1476, #2174, #1766, #1698, #1304, #213, #1651, #2571, #267, #1656, #1700, #2458, #2570, #2248, and #2420-2423 radars are all missing the Mk1 Eyeball sensor. These systems are not unmanned (they're in fact truck based mobile radar systems) so they would have people in them that I would presume are not blind, otherwise it'd probably be a bit difficult for them to be mobile (at least in the direction you'd want them to go.)

P-15 mobile radar


P-19 mobile radar


Sources: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... t-face.htm , http://pvo.guns.ru/rtv/p15.htm , and https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Low ... adars.html

[Tookatee]

All variants of the SA-5 facilities in the database except for the #476 Iranian SA-5 facility are missing the Mk1 Eyeball Sensor. All of the SA-5 facilities (except for #476) have ZU-23's in their weapon mounts, of which use the human eye combined with a basic reticle to aim.

ZU-23 in operation.


Close up image of the optical sight on a ZU-23


Sources: The CMO database (see sensor mounts for all ZU-23's), https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_ ... iptio.html , https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zu-23.htm , and https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/d ... ZU-23.html

[Zanthra]

P-8 Poseidon AN/APY-10 Radar should be able to identify the class of detected ships similar to NCTR Air to Air radars. Additionally it has 240 degree Field of view instead of 180 degree.

https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=115127

The Export AN/APY-10I for india includes an Air to Air mode as well.

https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=115057&x=.

[boogabooga]

Question on Tankers:

I noticed that the United States KC-135Es and Rs have both Centerline Boom and Centerline Drogue properties and seem to be able to refuel both boom-based and probe-based aircraft in the same mission. I was under the impression that IRL (circa 1991 at least), there was a conversion kit to turn the boom into a hose-and-drogue type, but then you could not use the boom while the kit was installed. It would seem then then that these tankers should have separate loadouts for boom refueling versus drogue refueling. I think underwing drogue pods came later? Anyone know more about this?

[Tookatee]

The #457 Watch Tower facility is missing the Mk1 Eyeball sensor. Watch towers are manned by people, who have eyes. Otherwise it would be pretty hard to watch things. In addition, the lack of Mk1 Eyeballs would make it exceedingly difficult to accurately fire the #1695 12.7mm .50 caliber machine guns that are apart of the facility.

Notice the hollow space at the top of the structure for a human to reside and watch an area through the clear glass. Also see the prominent stairs that allow said human to access the room at the top of the structure.

[BDukes]

Hellos

Look like new AO's for Italy (2020) and then France (2023).

When can please adds A 5335 Vulcano

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... -2019.html
Wiki range, system and stats are consistent with other engineers stats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcano-c ... pport_ship
Range and speeds
https://www.naval-technology.com/projec ... -ship-lss/
Stores would be fuels to match italian ships and a magazine for bullets

Thank!

[orca]

In DB v480, the Type 055 (#2834) has the type 346B radar. But it also still has the type 346A radar which should be removed.

[stilesw]

In DB v480, the Type 055 (#2834) has the type 346B radar. But it also still has the type 346A radar which should be removed.

Currently retained for redundancy and future developments.

-WS

[KC45]

ORIGINAL: KC45

07 VLA
Japanese Supersonic Vertical Launch ASROC, Larger and Heavier than RUM-139 VLA.

General Data
Type:Guided Weapon
Length; 6.53m(6.535m in wiki,6.53m in picture below)
span: 0.7m (Data from RUM-139)
diameter:0.45m
Weight:1284kg (1.284t)
Guidance Type:Internally Guided
Cruise altitude:2000ft ASL,610m ASL(Based on RUM-139)
Climb Rate,S/L:(sry, I don't know how you guys decide here)

Range (anti-sub): 0,.5~16nm

Sub POH:95%(Based on RUM-139)

Properties:
BOL
INS Nav system
Level Cruise Flight

Warheads
Type97 GRX-4(DBID#314)
or
Type 12

VALID Targets
Subs

WRS
same as RUM-139

Propulsion
Engine:Rocket Fuel/Fuel:Rocket/Maxspeed:1000knts(1.60Mach) (the data of speed is just supersonic, 1.6Mach is not that hyper or hypo suggestion)

Performance Details
Band1,Cruise Speed/Altitude-0-6500ft/1000knts(1.60Mach)/Fuel Consumption:1 fuel points/second

Fuel
Fuel Type:Rocket Fuel/Quantity:2min (Based on RUM-139)

Weapons Carrior
Teruzuki [Akizuki-class] (akizuki-class's Akizuki has RUM-139 but from second ship, They equip this 07 VLA)
Asahi(DBID#3128)
Maya

Sources
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/ ... shi/02.pdf (Japanese official Document of MOD,Ministery Of Defence)
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/ ... bun/02.pdf (Japanese official Document of MOD,Ministery Of Defence)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_07_V ... ine_rocket (wikipedia but I checked all data, and is correct)

Akizuki-class Suzutsuki's picture

I just want to change estimated value of 07VLA.
I checked the spec of 07VLA, and I noticed the size and weight of this weapon is similar to Sea Lance SUM(WeaponDBID 3154), rather than RUM-139 VLA. Both 07VLA and SeaLance are supersonic weapon, and have over 1t weight. 07 VLA is smaller, but it uses latest technology, so I guess they have same range of attack.
So estimated firing range of 07 VLA is 30~35nm.

[Tookatee]

The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

The first sentence of that was useful, thanks.

[Tookatee]

The Javelin SAM is missing entirely from the database. It was a British SAM developed as an improvement on the Blowpipe MANPADS. It utilizes SACLOS guidance via a TV camera with 6x magnification and the missile has a top speed of 1133.46 knots with a range of 0.161-2.16 nautical miles. It can engage targets as low as 30 feet and as high as 6,561.66 feet, has a climb rate of 579 meters per second, the missile weighs 10.8862 kilograms with a dual purpose warhead with a combined blast HE and shaped charge (both weigh four pounds for a total of eight pounds or 3.82 kilograms) with both impact and proximity detonation, and it entered service in Britain in 1984. The missiles can be carried as a MANPADS or mounted onto a dedicated launcher called the Javelin LML (of which can be vehicle mounted or used as a static emplacement, it allows for three ready to fire missiles to be available to engage targets.)

It was exported to several nations; 500 were exported to South Korea in 1987, 200-500 were delivered to Peru in 1995, 280 were delivered to Oman in 1989, 60 were delivered to Malaysia in 1991, 1,100 were delivered to Canada in 1991 (it was retired in 2005), and 25 were delivered to Botswana in 1992.

Javelin LML (Lightweight Multiple Launcher) with three ready to fire missiles (one expended) in 1996.


Sources: SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, http://panzercho.egloos.com/2766672 , https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/javelin.htm , Jane's Land-Based Air Defence 2005–2006, ISBN 0-7106-2697-5 , https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallar ... rms_id=795 , https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1073 , and https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/defe ... /blowpipe/

[guanotwozero]

The entries for the various Tu-22M Backfires have the tail cannons loaded with chaff and flares. Maybe a radical non-lethal defence doctrine?

[Mgellis]

Now, now, I think that was a harmless bit of levity. Actually, come to think of it, should the airport control tower and the watchtower just have the Mk.1 eyeball or should they also have binoculars?

ORIGINAL: apache85

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

The first sentence of that was useful, thanks.

[Broncepulido]

In fact the use by Tu-22M (and others types) of the 23mm guns as decoy dispensers is a real capability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-23

[guanotwozero]

My goodness, you're absolutely right!

However, shouldn't that then be a loadout option?

[LORDPrometheus]

I mean I would argue chaff and flares are more valuable for defense in a modern situation than a pair of rear facing 23mm guns but that's just my opinion

[Tookatee]

The Starburst SAM is missing entirely from the database, it is a British SAM that supplemented and eventually replaced the Javelin MANPADS. The system was a derivative of the Javelin SAM, replacing the TV guidance with a beam riding laser guidance. It entered service with Britain in 1990 and in fact saw use as apart of the United Kingdom's 10 Air Defence Battery in Operation Desert Storm. The system was also exported to: Canada (100 units delivered in 1992), Kuwait (250 units delivered in 1995), and Malaysia (504 units delivered starting in 1995.)

The system came in the form of a MANPADS, the Starburst LML (Lightweight Multiple Launcher, with three ready to fire missiles), or in Britain's case a special mount on a Stormer tracked vehicle (with eight ready to fire missiles.) The missile has: a range of 0.270-2.16 nautical miles, an altitude engagement range of between 30-9,840 feet, dual purpose warheads with a combined blast HE and shaped charge (both weigh four pounds or 1.81 kilograms for a total of eight pounds or 3.82 kilograms) with both proximity and impact detonation, and a top speed of 1333.48 knots. Its sensors on the MANPADS consist of a image intensified sight system while the LML has a thermal imaging sight. The Stormer variants have the infrared Air Defense Alerting Device which can detect fixed wing targets at up to nine kilometers and helicopters at up to six kilometers with a 360 degree arc of coverage and -7 to +17 degrees elevation.

Starburst missile and MANPADS on display.


Starburst static LML


Starburst LML vehicle mount on a Landrover.


Stormer with Starburst missile system


Air Defense Alerting Device


Sources: https://www.forecastinternational.com/a ... RC_ID=1101 , https://www.flightglobal.com/starburst- ... 95.article , and https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-compl ... ssile-hvm/

[bezunyan]

Merry Christmas! I'm fan of CMANO, DLC, and CMO. I have listed units that request to add to DB 3000 v 481.
(I'm sorry, I'm not good at English

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South Korea

Weapon

K-SAAM Haegung ship-based surface to air missile(2020, Similar to VL-MICA, quad pack)
Odontaspis ferox torpedo(2020, Korean version of Improved DM2A4)
SSM-XXXK(2020, Korean Super Sonic Anti-Ship missile, Similar to Brahmos)
KGGB(2019, Korea GPS Guided Bomb)
Navy

AOE-51 Soyyang
FFG-818 Daegu
MLS-570 Nampo

SS 083 Dosan Ahn Chang-ho

Aircraft

F-35[2022, AIM-120D(AIM-120C-8)]
F-15K[2019, AIM-120C-7]
KF-16C[F-16V upgraded,2020, AIM-120C-7]
KF-16D[F-16V upgraded,2020, AIM-120C-7]

Facility

KM-SAM PIP [2020, ABM capability]
Green Pine radar Block C [2022]

North Korea

Navy

SSB XX[Romeo Mod ballistic missile submarine]

Facility

KN-23[Similar to SS-26]
KN-24[Similar to ATACMS]
400mm MRL[KN-25?]
600mm MRL[KN-26?]

China

Navy

CV-17 Shandong
LHD-XX Type 075

Thailand

FFG-471 Bhumibol Adulyadej[2019, DW-3000F]

Philippine

FF-150 BRP Jose Rizal[2020, HDF-2600]