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An example of a misleading headline from NY Times and MSN.

When I read it this morning, I thought, "Darn, new outbreaks in these states, just as they're taking action to ease restrictions?" Other readers may draw the same conclusion. Some of those won't bother to read the article to learn that the headline is misleading. They'll accept it as fact, given it comes from a reputable source, and pass the word along as such.

The article addresses easing of measures in these states and a few others, but the hot spots discussed are in Ohio and Massachusetts, with one vague reference to workplace outbreak in Tennessee. There aren't mentions of hot spots in Georgia or South Carolina. That's an example of telling the truth but not the whole truth in such a way that the presentation is misleading.

On a separate note, I was surprised that states will soon begin easing some countermeasures. I'd expected another week or ten days.

Georgia's actions are limited, opening some venues but keeping many restrictions in place. It should be instructive to see how this goes here, and other states will be able to learn from Georgia's successes or failures. Ditto easing elsewhere in the US and in Europe.

In the short term, it'll be interesting to see if Univ. of Washington adjusts mortality projections upward for states easing countermeasures.

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Exactly

Please note the extremely small sample size and the needed extrapolation towards the greater population's prevalence rate. I think this is a good idea, but is worlds apart from from testing everybody that 'wants' it. Worlds apart from testing everybody for asymptomatics and worlds apart from testing everybody for antibodies as part of some 'health passport'.

I hope that they will cross-correlate known virus positives and suggestive histories of transient / mild disease as well when they're enrolling these pilot study participants. It would be a good time to capture this data and compare known virus positives with antibody titer levels. So I hope it's not a truly blind random trial.

BTW, what did the German data show? The serosurveillance there was noted in this article.

As I've been advocating, a big enough sample size taken from a representative demographic can start giving an idea of overall infection rates in various populations. If it's smart and targeted, random within chosen constraints, then it can be repeated for verification, compared with other "hotspot area" and eventually used statistically with more confidence.

The problem that I see with the mass testing is that you are only getting a snapshot of who has been infected with a corona virus, not which variety. My understanding is that the test does not differentiate between the virus that causes CoViD-19 or other corona viruses which may not give immunity to the one in question.
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Alfred,

Mutti may not be pleased and the Bild may not be held in that high a regard by some but the thought is out there. Some people may not remember the source but the thought.

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Mario Cuomo hates Trump. Cuomo launched a NY State investigation with the explicit purpose of getting Trump's tax returns. CNN hates Trump. Fredo Cuomo at CNN hates Trump. It's a damily thing. The only things missing are cars blowing up in Sicily and fat guys with girots.

Is it inefficient to have state buyers bidding against FEMA? Sure. Is it some scheme to get rich? No. It's thousands of government bureaucrats trying to do what their bosses told them to do. Cuomo also demanded 20,000 vents and they gave him 8000. He complained about that too. Turns out FEMA was right. If his job was to boost up the morale of New Yorkers and hit Trump you would have to say he was successful. There is quite a strong draft Cuomo movement among the Dems.
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Everyone has seen a city road crew. 8 guys standing around waiting for the inspector and maybe the Mexican guy is sweeping up.

The N-95 masks been a WORLDWIDE problem. Simply put there were nowhere near enough masks in inventory and there was no hope for production to meet the demand in the short run. FEMA had a plan to have ONE BILLION N-95 masks in inventory. We blew through them in 2009 with H1N1 and the inventory was never replenished. That was 11 years ago. In that time you would have had to throw away perhaps 2 billion expired masks. As for vents. It seems FEMA has managed to avoid the worst disaster but it was too close. Same deal with vents back in 2009. Nobody sent the vents back to FEMA. Hospitals sold them. Same deal with vents. They need to be maintained. O-rings, plastic parts, pressure checks, even the electronics. Very expensive proposition. It never even occurred to me before that there would be a national reserve of ventilators. I think everyone now sees the importance.
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I went to a burn conference in January. You would NOT BELIEVE how expensive those products and technologies are. Very intensive care for weeks or months with specialized training and equipment. A city of 200,000 might have two 5 bed burn ICU's.

You think we weren't ready for a global viral pandemic? A single North Korean nuke exploded at 5000 feet over Honolulu on a cloudless day and every burn unit in the US would be overwhelmed. A lot of stuff to keep FEMA up at night.
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... while they thought nobody was looking, they arrested a bunch of pro-democracy figures in Hong Kong last weekend...

You overlooked something else done last weekend. China has just created 2 new administrative districts in the Paracel and Spratly islands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-20/ ... a/12165646

This action has far longer term ramifications than the Hong Kong arrests for it represents outright de facto annexation. It moves the South China Sea conflict from one over internationally disputed islands to one over established sovereign Chinese land. At least that is the legal narrative China will present to any legal challenge made under the Law of the Sea rules.

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I was assigned by the medical group to go to a conference presented by the CDC on CW and biological warfare. HORY CRAP! That s*** makes COVID seem like a diaper rash. FEMA has big inventories of Doxycycline and Cipro all over for anthrax. I asked the speaker where they were and she laughed at me. [:D] If we are ever attacked by weaponized anthrax it ma be the only ones left are teenage girls taking Doxy for acne and everyone on Cirpo for a UTI.
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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: obvert




Exactly

Please note the extremely small sample size and the needed extrapolation towards the greater population's prevalence rate. I think this is a good idea, but is worlds apart from from testing everybody that 'wants' it. Worlds apart from testing everybody for asymptomatics and worlds apart from testing everybody for antibodies as part of some 'health passport'.

I hope that they will cross-correlate known virus positives and suggestive histories of transient / mild disease as well when they're enrolling these pilot study participants. It would be a good time to capture this data and compare known virus positives with antibody titer levels. So I hope it's not a truly blind random trial.

BTW, what did the German data show? The serosurveillance there was noted in this article.

As I've been advocating, a big enough sample size taken from a representative demographic can start giving an idea of overall infection rates in various populations. If it's smart and targeted, random within chosen constraints, then it can be repeated for verification, compared with other "hotspot area" and eventually used statistically with more confidence.


From Briebart this morning:

L.A. County Study: Coronavirus Outbreak Up to 55 Times More Widespread, Less Deadly than Predicted

The novel coronavirus has infected roughly 4.1 percent of the population in California’s Los Angeles County, suggesting the region’s outbreak is far more widespread than previously thought, between 28 and 55 times higher than the number of confirmed cases, new research shows, echoing the findings of a similar study elsewhere in the state.

However, the new data, if accurate, also indicates that the coronavirus death rate in L.A. County, the most populous in the country, is lower than initially predicted. Researchers from the University of Southern California (USC) and the L.A. Department of Public Health gleaned the data from antibody testing of about 863 county residents. Antibodies are an indication that an individual’s immune system has responded to a past infection.

On Monday, CNBC reported:

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that roughly 4.1% of the county’s adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.

This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 [coronavirus illness] reported to the county in early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county’s fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

Link to the article: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... predicted/
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

... while they thought nobody was looking, they arrested a bunch of pro-democracy figures in Hong Kong last weekend...

You overlooked something else done last weekend. China has just created 2 new administrative districts in the Paracel and Spratly islands.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-20/ ... a/12165646

This action has far longer term ramifications than the Hong Kong arrests for it represents outright de facto annexation. It moves the South China Sea conflict from one over internationally disputed islands to one over established sovereign Chinese land. At least that is the legal narrative China will present to any legal challenge made under the Law of the Sea rules.

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From Daily Wire this morning:

Epidemiologist Warns Lockdown Policies ‘Not Evidence-Based’, Unsustainable In Democracies

On Friday, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, Professor Johan Giesecke, sat down with UnHeard and discussed lockdown policies across the globe, and what he perceives as the policies’ weaknesses in tackling the China-originated novel coronavirus, COVID-19.

Professor Giesecke currently serves as an advisor to the Swedish Government, was the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC), and a former advisor to the director general of the WHO (he’s now retired and serves as an advisor to the WHO only in an honorary capacity).

“The measures we should take against the pandemic should be evidence-based,” he told UnHeard, “and when you start looking around for the measures are being taken now by different countries, you find that very few of them have the shred of evidence base.”

The only measure “we know” will work “is washing your hands is good for you and good for others when you’re in epidemic, but the rest, like border closures, school closures, social distancing, there’s almost no science behind most of these,” argued Giesecke.

In the end, the leading epidemiologist said, most democratized nations will have similar outcomes with regard to deaths, lockdown or not. Lockdowns, he argued, are unsustainable and could have serious political consequences, highlighting Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who recently made a controversial power grab citing the virus......

Link to full article: https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... emocracies
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From Briebart this morning:

L.A. County Study: Coronavirus Outbreak Up to 55 Times More Widespread, Less Deadly than Predicted

The novel coronavirus has infected roughly 4.1 percent of the population in California’s Los Angeles County, suggesting the region’s outbreak is far more widespread than previously thought, between 28 and 55 times higher than the number of confirmed cases, new research shows, echoing the findings of a similar study elsewhere in the state.

However, the new data, if accurate, also indicates that the coronavirus death rate in L.A. County, the most populous in the country, is lower than initially predicted. Researchers from the University of Southern California (USC) and the L.A. Department of Public Health gleaned the data from antibody testing of about 863 county residents. Antibodies are an indication that an individual’s immune system has responded to a past infection.

On Monday, CNBC reported:

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that roughly 4.1% of the county’s adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.

This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 [coronavirus illness] reported to the county in early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county’s fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

Link to the article: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... predicted/

That is quite similar to the Santa Clara County study.
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From Briebart this morning:

L.A. County Study: Coronavirus Outbreak Up to 55 Times More Widespread, Less Deadly than Predicted

The novel coronavirus has infected roughly 4.1 percent of the population in California’s Los Angeles County, suggesting the region’s outbreak is far more widespread than previously thought, between 28 and 55 times higher than the number of confirmed cases, new research shows, echoing the findings of a similar study elsewhere in the state.

However, the new data, if accurate, also indicates that the coronavirus death rate in L.A. County, the most populous in the country, is lower than initially predicted. Researchers from the University of Southern California (USC) and the L.A. Department of Public Health gleaned the data from antibody testing of about 863 county residents. Antibodies are an indication that an individual’s immune system has responded to a past infection.

On Monday, CNBC reported:

USC and the health department released preliminary study results that found that roughly 4.1% of the county’s adult population has antibodies to the coronavirus, estimating that between 221,000 adults to 442,000 adults in the county have had the infection.

This new estimate is 28 to 55 times higher than the 7,994 confirmed cases of Covid-19 [coronavirus illness] reported to the county in early April. The number of coronavirus-related deaths in the county has now surpassed 600, according to the Department of Public Health. The data, if correct, would mean that the county’s fatality rate is lower than originally thought.

Link to the article: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020 ... predicted/

That is quite similar to the Santa Clara County study.

I strongly believe that the worst bought of flu I have ever had in my life during New Years weekend was the corona virus.

I also strongly believe if tested I would be shown to be carrying antibodies to the virus.

I also believe, maybe not so strongly, that the experience in LA is the same all over....that it is way more widespread and we have developed way more heard immunity than is currently accepted as general knowledge.
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China's military has resumed drills as the US military grapples with the coronavirus
Apr 15, 2020,


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"As the epidemic surged in China, the PLA was forced to suspend all large-scale joint drills because of disruptions to transport and allocations of military resources around the country.

On Saturday, one of the large-scale drills resumed. A six-ship flotilla, led by the Liaoning aircraft carrier, sailed through the Miyako Strait — just 330km (205 miles) due east of the northernmost tip of Taiwan — on its way to the western Pacific.

"In the future, the Chinese navy will continue to organise similar training schedules to accelerate and improve the combat capability of its aircraft carrier strike groups," navy spokesman Gao Xiucheng was quoted as saying in PLA Daily."







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Chinese state media claims country's navy is not affected by coronavirus
April 15, 2020


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/asia/chi ... index.html



"Hong Kong (CNN)The coronavirus outbreak, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December last year, has spread to more than 180 countries and sickened close to 2 million people, including more than 80,000 in China.

Yet according to the Chinese government, not a single serving member of the country's military has been infected.

The reported absence of cases among China's armed forces comes despite the fact that thousands of military personnel were sent to Wuhan to assist in front line medical efforts.

It also comes in sharp contrast to other military powers, notably the United States, which have seen an uptick in cases in recent weeks.

As if to underscore this point, China's official military news agency has taken to proclaiming the navy's operational readiness in the face of the global pandemic.

Earlier this week, a report detailing the deployment of a Chinese naval flotilla to the Pacific was offered as evidence that the People's Liberation Army Navy has reportedly done a better job controlling coronavirus than the US Navy."






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Epidemic hinders US military presence near China
April 16, 2020

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http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0416/c90000-9680284.html

"The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, the anchor of a deterrent force against China’s advances in the South China Sea, has been docked in Guam indefinitely.

A COVID outbreak swept through the ship’s 4,865-person crew last month, and has since infected at least 615 sailors, killed one and sent five others into a Guam hospital.

The only other American carrier deployed in the Pacific, the USS Ronald Reagan, is receiving maintenance for four months in Yokosuka, Japan, available only for “Selected Restricted Availability,” and in Bremerton, Washington, the Navy has quarantined the crew of the next carrier strike group scheduled for duty in the Pacific, led by the USS Nimitz.






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"People's Daily Online, founded on January 1, 1997, is a large-scale information exchange platform with news at its core, constructed by China’s largest newspaper - People’s Daily. It is also a public media and culture company with People's Daily at the center of its interest control. On April 27, 2012, People's Daily Online went public on the Shanghai Stock Exchange, becoming China's first news website listed on the A-share market."

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Robot warriors join Chinese military arsenal, will free soldiers from dangerous missions
April 15, 2020

http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0415/c90000-9679816.html



" The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) is in possession of the small ground robot, which can traverse complicated terrains, accurately observe battlefield situations and provide ferocious firepower, the PLA Eastern Theater Command said on Sina Weibo on Monday when reposting a China Central Television (CCTV) report on the robot.

The thigh-high robot looks like a small assault vehicle. It walks on tracks similar to a tank, allowing it to adapt to complicated terrains in open field combat, move quickly and climb stairs, CCTV reported."

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I hope I don't get the [s]Controlvi[/s]... Coronavirus.






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China’s Hudong Zhonghua shipyard to launch new ship on Wednesday
April 21, 2020

http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0421/c90000-9682114.html

"China's Hudong Zhonghua shipyard in Shanghai is expected to launch a new ship on Wednesday. Some military observers believe it could be China's second Type 075 amphibious assault ship.

A new ship built by the Hudong Zhonghua company will undock from 1:20 pm to 2:50 pm on Wednesday, and a water area of 1,500 meters long and 350 meters wide near the dock will be restricted for navigation, according to a navigation notice released on the website of the Maritime Safety Administration of China on Monday.

The notice did not specify the type of the ship."






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