RHS 5 & 6.758 comprehensive update uploaded/frozen/final?

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Dili

However, in game terms I decided the Northern cities of Honshu, all of Kyushu and Southern Sakhalin - and the Kurils - should all be Northern Command.

But they are not! Right now the only cities in Northern Command are the Kurile Islands.

I think it may be we assigned units - but didn't realize locations were wrong. Seems strange that all this time stock and CHS had no northern command area to speak of! I think I probably assumed the locations were right and didn't look.

[Jo van der Pluym]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Well - I did create an Allied 47mm gun device - it won't produce - specifically for the Dutch - and I thought we had converted units over to using that. I think you will find a Dutch poster (in a different thread) who said the 2 pounder was used by these units - and the 47 mm by "only" a different list - and I think we adopted that listing. But possibly the conversion to the new device was "lost" - at one point we had to go back to earlier databases due to file corruption by an editor - and I don't remember when that was in relation to this issue - which was over a year ago. But if my memory is not wrong, I believe the two pounder was in use in DEI. Otherwise, I am just remembering that stock and CHS said it was.

I think that then they had some Tankbuks M.38 or 20mm Solothurn AT Gun

[el cid again]

I may be able to track that down today. But the radar issue is my first priority. Good news: I have awakened with a theory about how to address that one.

[Dili]

Good news. And Merry Christmas all.

[Ol_Dog]

I have been testing CVO 5.40 against AI for a while. At one point when was released, it was indicated x.41 needed new art work, then just allied air, then something about EOS art and version 7.0 art. So, I held off starting 5.41.

Then yesterday, I had a senior moment, installed and ran the 1st turn of scen 50. Then I remembered about the art. It did not crash - yet.

In another directory, I have installed 6.40, with 6.41 and 7.0 art not installed.

What is the status with the art? Do I need to install 7.0 art with 5.41, with 6.41, 6.41 EOS?

[el cid again]

We have been working on three different things:

1) Figuring out radar for surface ships and land units; this is now in test;

2) Figuring out how to get AI to work better with the revised EOS scenario (implementing the plan to
invade Hawaii);

3) Responding to some OB matters raised by the forum, including:

a) Adding some outer island defenses in Hawaii
b) Researching reported duplicated units

Regarding the latter, seems there have always been two 23rd Engineer Regiments - since stock!
I was told there was a duplicate 28th - and never found it - but plotted ALL engineers - and discovered this one.


I also think we need to write a paper on EOS - so players won't be too surprised by some of the changes.
While EOS is more or less the same as CVO, there are important differences (services can often share planes)
and chrome differences. Some of these may be surprising. IRL they drew up plans to convert all the battleships and cruisers (except ancient CLs) to carriers - and some of these got implemented (Shinano, Ibuki, the semi carriers).
But ALL the ships had plans - and all the battleships had three different conversions each! RHS has permitted some of these conversions to occur later in the war: players who want Yamato to stay a BB better not be sending it in for an upgrade late in the war - same for many CAs - or they will be shocked to have them emerge as CV (or CVL) - without air groups! It is meant to offer flexability - but it should not be done by surprise. I don't know if AI will do this or not? But I will know soon: I have a 6.41 scenario into 1944 now. Some of the air units will change their loadouts if upgraded - and players might not want to upgrade them to the "wrong" planes - or they might. [For example, a unit with prefix or suffix K has ASW armament. It is scheduled to upgrade to a true ASW plane. Upgrading to a different plane will convert it from its ASW function to normal.] This sort of thing probably needs all to be gathered into one document.

[Mifune]

"I also think we need to write a paper on EOS" I have been thinking of the same, even when I am thinking of updating the RHS handbook I can not articulate all that is needed to be said. On so many levels of each scenario, even the forums have spiraled out of easy connectiveness.

[Jo van der Pluym]

Hi El Cid

In Devices are some errors.

1. The 2in Mortar(427) upgrades to 3in Mortar(426). Must this not be that the 2in does not upgrade?

2. There are 2 times 18pdr Howitzers (439 + 447). (439) Does upgrade. (447) upgrades to (439. Must this not be (440) 25 pdr Howitzer?

3. (467) M3 Halftrack has a replacement of 7. Is this not to low?

4. RAO has also 32cm Type 98 Mortar(549) in slot (548) in place of Alvis Armored Car.

Here some comments about the locations.
The British 7th Tank Brigade(2854). it use the TOE of the Indian Tank Brigade (2058). And weapons slots 1 and 2 have both 484 Stuart I Light Tank?

The IA 111th(2376), IA 14th(2825), IA 16th(2826), IA 77th(2943) Chindit Brigade are only in name Indian. They where allmost British and some Gurka´s Rgts.


The BA 3rd SP Svc had a platoon of Dutch Commando´s from 2nd Dutch Troop attached by arrival. And there where additional Dutch Commando´s underway after the end of war in Europe (Aug-Sep 1945) to increase it to a Company.

There are 2x the CW 81 WAfrican(3189 + 3195). Mus not one of them be the CW 82 WAfrican?

Also do I miss the BA 5th Parachute Brigade. Arrives July 1945 in India.

[el cid again]

[quote]ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

Hi El Cid

In Devices are some errors.

1. The 2in Mortar(427) upgrades to 3in Mortar(426). Must this not be that the 2in does not upgrade?

REPLY: You are correct. This is an editor related problem - high devices are forced to point at the next lower slot by stock editors - and I have been slowly correcting those issues by using other editors. I failed to note this one.

2. There do not appear to be 2x18 pounders - and there is indeed a 25 pounder in the slot you indicate - so you have a corrupted device file. This in all scenarios. RHS uses only two device files: standard and EOS -
so you can rename a different file. For example, EOS level 5 (5.41) can be renamed 6.41 to get a Level 6 file.
Similarly, any level 5 device file other than scenario 55 can be renamed as any other, and same for 6.

3. M3 may be too low. This is the value in ALL versions of WITP - stock - CHS - RHS - and anything using their device files. Not sure where it came from? There are 133,000 fields, and I don't check em all! Got any data? How many were sent to PTO? Starting when?

4. Peculiar - but you are right. The base files (now Level 7) have it right - but both issued sets (Level 5 and 6) have it wrong. Fixed for x.413 (Level 5) or x.42 (Level 6).

5. Apparently the British 7th was copied from the Indian unit. It should upgrade to itself, and have Grant tanks in device slot number 1.

6. Do you think the squads should not be Indian in the Chindit brigades?

7. I cannot resist - although it cannot matter much: a platoon of Dutch Marine squads is added to 3 SSB.

8. 3189 is 3 West African

[el cid again]

We have come to a partial understanding of radar -

sound detectors remain an issue - do they replace?

And we have some more eratta folded in (from the Forum).

I will issue 6.42 soon - and 5.413 - 5 will then be error corrected (to the extent it is not already - 5 or 8 files from 6.42 are in the package) - and reissue as 5.42.

Then I will proceed to do 7 - and issue a NON working 7.413 for feedback.

[JeffroK]

The 7th Armoured Bde is hard to recreate.
 
In Burma it had 2 x Stuart Rgts and a Mot Inf Rgt.
 
After Burma it returned to the Mid East and ended up in Italy.
 
It would be nice to be able to withdraw LCU's

[el cid again]

Amen

[Jo van der Pluym]

ORIGINAL: el cid again

ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

3. M3 may be too low. This is the value in ALL versions of WITP - stock - CHS - RHS - and anything using their device files. Not sure where it came from? There are 133,000 fields, and I don't check em all! Got any data? How many were sent to PTO? Starting when?

There are about 40.000 halftracks/Variants build in WWII. About 800 are shipped to the USSR (Tank/Mech Corps). The first variant of the halftrack (M2) is build in 1940/41 (about 12000). Mayby is't better to rename M3 halftrack to halftrack. I don't know how much to the PTO. But 49x7=343 is to low. (A Armored Division has 360) I think that the halftrack production must be 49x27=1323.
Mayby higher.

[Jo van der Pluym]

ORIGINAL: el cid again
6. Do you think the squads should not be Indian in the Chindit brigades?

Here is the ORDER OF BATTLE - 2nd Chindit Expedition 1944

Special Force, 3rd Indian Infantry Division

Headquarters
Rear HQ at Gwalior, Central India
Main HQ first at Imphal and then at Sylhet, Assam
Launching HQ at Lalaghat
Tactical/Forward HQ, Shaduzup, Burma


Support Units

Air Force
United States Army Air Force

Royal Artillery
160th Field Regiment, R,S,and U troops
69th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment, W, X, Y and Z troops

3rd West African Brigade
HQ
7th West African Field Company
6th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
7th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
12th Battalion Nigeria Regiment
3rd West African Field Ambulance

14th British Infantry Brigade
HQ
2nd Battalion The Black Watch
1st Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment
2nd Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment
7th Battalion Royal Leicestershire Regiment
54th Field Company Royal Engineers
Medical Detachment

16th British Infantry Brigade
HQ
2nd Battalion Queens Royal Regiment (West Surrey)
2nd Battalion Royal Leicestershire Regiment
51/69 Field Regiments, Royal Artillery (fighting as infantry)
45th Reconnaissance Regiment (fighting as infantry)
2nd Field Company Royal Engineers
Medical Detachment

23rd Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ
1st Battalion Essex Regiment
2nd Battalion Duke of Wellington's Regiment
4th Battalion Border Regiment
60th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery (fighting as infantry)
12th Field Company Royal Engineers
Medical Detachment

77th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ
Mixed Field Company Royal Engineers/Royal Indian Engineers
3rd Battalion 6th Gurkha Rifles
1st Battalion King's (Liverpool) Regiment, to 111 Brigade in May 1944
1st Battalion Lancashire Fusiliers
1st Battalion South Staffordshire Regiment
3rd Battalion 9th Gurkha Rifles, to 111 Brigade in May 1944
142 Company Hong Kong Volunteers
Medical and veterinary detachments

111th Indian Infantry Brigade
HQ
1st Battalion Cameronians
2nd Battalion Kings Own Royal Regiment (Lancaster)
3rd Battalion 4th Gurkha Rifles
Mixed Field Company Royal Engineers/Royal Indian Engineers
Medical and veterinary detachments

Morris Force
4th Battalion 9th Gurkha Rifles
3rd/4th Gurkha Rifles

Dah Force
Kachin Levies

Bladet (Blain's Detachment)
Gliderborne commando engineers.

Other Units
2nd Battalion Burma Rifles
Four troops 160th Field Regiment Royal Artillery (in artillery role)
Four troops 69th Light Anti-Aircraft Regiment Royal Artillery (in artillery role)

Divisional Troops

219th Field Park Company, Royal Engineers
Detachment 2nd Burma Rifles
145th Brigade Company, R.A.S.C.
61st Air Supply Company, R.A.S.C.
2nd Indian Air Supply Company, R.I.A.S.C.

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

ORIGINAL: el cid again

ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

3. M3 may be too low. This is the value in ALL versions of WITP - stock - CHS - RHS - and anything using their device files. Not sure where it came from? There are 133,000 fields, and I don't check em all! Got any data? How many were sent to PTO? Starting when?

There are about 40.000 halftracks/Variants build in WWII. About 800 are shipped to the USSR (Tank/Mech Corps). The first variant of the halftrack (M2) is build in 1940/41 (about 12000). Mayby is't better to rename M3 halftrack to halftrack. I don't know how much to the PTO. But 49x7=343 is to low. (A Armored Division has 360) I think that the halftrack production must be 49x27=1323.
Mayby higher.

This isn't quite how it works. Only a % go to PTO - and nothing like half. And a % of those are not sent to the units represented in play. Armor in particular, and motor vehicles in general, were "shortchanged" for PTO - many units were stripped of them to a substantial degree - and did not ship out with their TO&E on paper. You can't use vehicles in many of the places units went - after all. And not many armored units went to PTO at all. We probably should work the problem backwards - and study how many are needed by units in the game?

Nevertheless - I must agree that 7 is too small - and we can safely increase this by an order of magnitude until we get better data.

[el cid again]

I am very close to releasing RHS 6.42 (and 5.413 which will update to 5.42 after an independent eratta review).
Five issues remain - two of which only apply to EOS:

1) Changes to support devices require updating some supply sinks - in all scenarios;

2) Changes to radar devices require updating some non-US Allied ships - in all scenarios;

3) Possible changes to infantry type devices may require some units to change - this is not firm and may not apply;

4) EOS only is having attack sequencing issues for the opening under AI control;

5) EOS only is having difficulty loading (well unloading) air units from ships at game start - to facilitate AI doing a proper attack on Hawaii.

I will release the 5 historical scenarios as soon as 1 and 2 are done - unless 3 works out easily;

This may be as soon as tomorrow and in no case later than 2 January 2007


I will work on EOS until it is as good as AI can manage and then release it - target 2 January 2007. This is pretty firm - and I won't do 3 unless it turns out to not delay these time frames - or if it turns into a mess.

[Dili]

Thanks El Cid Again.

Edit: Btw i noticed that Shinshu Maru big LSD http://ww6.enjoy.ne.jp/~iwashige/shinshumaru.htm is not working in RHSCVO but is in Class list, is the lack of slots that prevent it´s use?

[Herrbear]

ORIGINAL: Dili

Thanks El Cid Again.

Edit: Btw i noticed that Shinshu Maru big LSD http://ww6.enjoy.ne.jp/~iwashige/shinshumaru.htm is not working in RHSCVO but is in Class list, is the lack of slots that prevent it´s use?

That is because the Sunk Date is listed as 47797 which the game interprets as before the Delay Date. The actual sunk date should be 450501 according to Watts and Gordon. You can change this in the editor before you start the game.

[Bliztk]

The sinking dates of a lot of ships have been corrected for 6.42, for example Trigger, Wahoo and Porcupine report as sunk before scenaro starts. There are 25-30 ships for both sides that got corrected in the upcoming version.

[Dili]

Thanks