Fatal Years for 1.03

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Nikel

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

Kalmykov and Svec will be in the next version [:)]

I wonder why you use ones but not others [:'(]



Next the forgotten general, who is he? [;)]

Who are others? [:)]

[JJKettunen]

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

ORIGINAL: Keke

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

From my tests and your files, the RC seems to work without major troubles [:)]

There's one really odd thing. Battles don't seem to affect National Morale as they used to. For example the latest unfortunate confrontation with Stalin[:@] cost no NM to me.

I'll attach the save and backup1 to my next post for you to check.

Humm...There's nothing in my mod which may affect NM gains or losses during battles. NM are lost or won only if units are destroyed. I will look at, but it's either a rare occurence or a bug of the official version. [&:] However, the latter seems to be uncertain as the exe is the same since a few weeks. [&:]

Yes, it is really odd. It has affected my current game throughout though. There have been only 1 point affects to the NM from battles, and even those have been rare. Now this oddity became obvious, since my above loss should have affected NM about -4 points at least.

[Chilperic]

You should have lost NMs indeed...There is a possible bug then. i've looked at my last save file too and no battle triggered a NM change...So who will mention it on the official forum? [;)]

[Chilperic]

I wonder if the 1.03 patch has such a problem. I will do a test tomorrow with. After all, I may live with the 1.03 bugs, including ammo.

Edit: I've tried asap with the precedent patch by running again your turn: same results, no NM changes. so either it's a feature, or a bug unnoticed...[:(] We'll have to live with. wonder if present in PON

[Nikel]

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

Who are others? [:)]

The others posted in the thread, Kudinov, Bischoff,...


The forgotten general added [;)]

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Nikel

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

Who are others? [:)]

The others posted in the thread, Kudinov, Bischoff,...


The forgotten general added [;)]

Unvoluntary, I've just overlooked them. Will add the next time [:)]

[JJKettunen]

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

I wonder if the 1.03 patch has such a problem. I will do a test tomorrow with. After all, I may live with the 1.03 bugs, including ammo.

Edit: I've tried asap with the precedent patch by running again your turn: same results, no NM changes. so either it's a feature, or a bug unnoticed...[:(] We'll have to live with. wonder if present in PON

Do note that there were no such problems with Southern Whites: the NM fluctuated according to battle success. I remember gaining 9 at best and losing 6 at worst.

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Keke

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

I wonder if the 1.03 patch has such a problem. I will do a test tomorrow with. After all, I may live with the 1.03 bugs, including ammo.

Edit: I've tried asap with the precedent patch by running again your turn: same results, no NM changes. so either it's a feature, or a bug unnoticed...[:(] We'll have to live with. wonder if present in PON

Do note that there were no such problems with Southern Whites: the NM fluctuated according to battle success. I remember gaining 9 at best and losing 6 at worst.

Thanks to you, as I've learnt about a feature I didn't known: only some subunits are causing NM losses during battles, like Elite Infantry elements. Siberian are just lacking such units. Next version.

So, it's not a bug of the engine [:)]

[Chilperic]

In the next version, will cost NM losses for Siberian for:

-Czech subunits destroyed
- Elite Komuch subunits destroyed
- Eastern Cossacks subunits destroyed.

Should help to balance unhistorical path. I will remove some events for historical path to avoid other morale losses for Siberians.[:)]

[Sodei]

It is not a bug but I now understand why Siberian White don't seem to manage it's NM as well as I do with SW. Any way, I am 19 turns in and I admit I am enjoying this 3 front war. The Archangelsk-Perm front is doing fine for so few units commited there. The Kazan-Saransk one is my strongest front with a 50 000 men strong army pushing the Reds. My southern front is aimed at Tzarystin from Saratov ( 25000 men, Komuch remnants with SB renforcement). Finally, I'm going to bluff the AI with the rest of my force coming from Penza toward Tambov without engaging ( another 25 000 men of ragtag Czechs-Komuch-Whites [8D]). I will face some green revolts soon since a did some Requisitions and conscriptions. Murmansk's army is moving slowly but surely, I don't think the Reds have any force commited to stop me there or anywhere North.

Overall, I should win this soon. I am ready to stop a vicious offensive and have reinforcement coming from Omsk ( average of 4 000 per turn). That alone is not enough but Poland and Baltic nations have entered the war and those fronts are pretty much undefended I think. Even the Ukrainien are taking some land [&o]. The only AI that can't do anything is the SW and I don't even think they have that much commited against them. They are waiting for Koltchak, obviously.

It's a cool game anyway[:)]

EDIT: I am playing with the historical path, forgot to mention it.

[Chilperic]

Since yesterday, the first reports about players having chosen to go through the unhistorical path for Siberian Whites have showed the game was unbalanced and too easy.

NM is quickly raising to such a level most of the negative events can’t fire. So Siberians Whites, without any internal dissensions, are entering a virtuous circles, gaining NMs by victories which hinder NM to fall…

On the Matrix forum, Keke, has found the cause of the trouble , where I wouldn’t have looked for.



Indeed, for myself, I’m currently checking mainly in my test, the features I’ve introduced in FY, not the general AGE engine ones.

I didn’t know, or forgotten, NM losses or gains after a battle weren’t tid to the destruction of any unit, but only those having a POL value in their definition.



The sound observations by Keke has reminded me this point. Indeed, Siberian units had no POL value. Now, Czech, Cossacks and Elite Komuch infaantry will have.



So using and losing them will cause NM losses A huge step forward for balance.

2 lessons:



- I’m confirmed my mod needs players feedback to my own pleasure. This point would have remained unknown to me for a long time.

- Having good betatesters is unvaluable. I’m lucky to have several ones. A good betatesters isn’t someone who talk essentially on the new features to implement and rarely on bugs ( That’s current in some team….). Not those playing FY haven’t ideas, they do proposals and they are interesting. However, they haven’t forgotten first to look at BUGS…



Thanks to them.



Next version soon

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Sodei

It is not a bug but I now understand why Siberian White don't seem to manage it's NM as well as I do with SW. Any way, I am 19 turns in and I admit I am enjoying this 3 front war. The Archangelsk-Perm front is doing fine for so few units commited there. The Kazan-Saransk one is my strongest front with a 50 000 men strong army pushing the Reds. My southern front is aimed at Tzarystin from Saratov ( 25000 men, Komuch remnants with SB renforcement). Finally, I'm going to bluff the AI with the rest of my force coming from Penza toward Tambov without engaging ( another 25 000 men of ragtag Czechs-Komuch-Whites [8D]). I will face some green revolts soon since a did some Requisitions and conscriptions. Murmansk's army is moving slowly but surely, I don't think the Reds have any force commited to stop me there or anywhere North.

Overall, I should win this soon. I am ready to stop a vicious offensive and have reinforcement coming from Omsk ( average of 4 000 per turn). That alone is not enough but Poland and Baltic nations have entered the war and those fronts are pretty much undefended I think. Even the Ukrainien are taking some land [&o]. The only AI that can't do anything is the SW and I don't even think they have that much commited against them. They are waiting for Koltchak, obviously.

It's a cool game anyway[:)]

Hi [:)]

Southern Whites are performing better in another current game with a Siberian player. Southern AI has tough task if Red AI chooses to concentrate first on Southern Theater. But I will keep this possibility. Forcing Red AI to go always first in force on the Volga would create for Southern Whites faction an huge bonus. Moreover, Ais, and especially the Red ones, are much more resilient than in other games, and they may couterstrike rather unexpectedly [:D]

The NM losses for the best Sib units I will add should balance better the game, and by a very nice way, as simple than efficient. It represents well how much Elite units are precious and their losses are as much blows for Factions with few resources.

Thanks for the feedback. I should be able in the next days to raise challenge for Siberian Whites in this alternate path to the level of the other factions.[:)]

[Sodei]

Not sure if this is a bug but I can't seem to have the possibility to create an Army out of a 3-star general, Miller and Ironside North are not armies commanders. I have promoted Gaida to 3 stars and the same thing goes for him. So already 3-stars and promoted general don't seem to have that possibility BUT Koltchak can... I have the three starting guy as Army commander but they are decent at there job.

EDIT: The thing is that the Red seems to be using to much force there as I am assaulting them from 3 angles. BTW I am playing the historical path since being new to that faction, I wanted the simple one... yes simple indeed[8|]. From my experience, the SW are doing ok when human played ( overachieving some would say) but now it's been a year, I am moving close to Moscow in the North and the Red took, IMO too long to come at me. They couldn't kill the SW but now I am moving almost freely on the Volga.

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Sodei

Not sure if this is a bug but I can't seem to have the possibility to create an Army out of a 3-star general, Miller and Ironside North are not armies commanders. I have promoted Gaida to 3 stars and the same thing goes for him. So already 3-stars and promoted general don't seem to have that possibility BUT Koltchak can... I have the three starting guy as Army commander but they are decent at there job.

EDIT: The thing is that the Red seems to be using to much force there as I am assaulting them from 3 angles. BTW I am playing the historical path since being new to that faction, I wanted the simple one... yes simple indeed[8|]. From my experience, the SW are doing ok when human played ( overachieving some would say) but now it's been a year, I am moving close to Moscow in the North and the Red took, IMO too long to come at me. They couldn't kill the SW but now I am moving almost freely on the Volga.

There's a cap on the number of Army for each factions. I will raise it a bit for Sib. Next version.

Send me your game save to look at Red AI behaviour. Without I can't do much.

As I've said, a player will have always the upper edge on AI. The goal is to reach the real Victory conditions, ie winning to the points. A Southern player will do better against Reds, but winning to the points is the real challenge [:)]

[Sodei]

Look like the Red didn't like my bragging and sent Trotsky with about hmm 100 000 men. I learned the had way that I prefer the SW's getting killed then my men. They stopped every offensives from the Volga, at least for now. I will regroup and counter-attck to see how well the AI do with the initiative. I can send you my savefiles just tell me what you want exactly and I will find it.

BTW, very impressive work you have done without using cheats for the AI. I know they will eventually back off to support other fronts but they can, and probably will, undermine my effort for half the year just by massing itself on one point, forcing me to do the same. A smart move at least, a great one if they take some units down before going.

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Sodei

Look like the Red didn't like my bragging and sent Trotsky with about hmm 100 000 men. I learned the had way that I prefer the SW's getting killed then my men. They stopped every offensives from the Volga, at least for now. I will regroup and counter-attck to see how well the AI do with the initiative. I can send you my savefiles just tell me what you want exactly and I will find it.

BTW, very impressive work you have done without using cheats for the AI. I know they will eventually back off to support other fronts but they can, and probably will, undermine my effort for half the year just by massing itself on one point, forcing me to do the same. A smart move at least, a great one if they take some units down before going.

I've replied you on the blog [:)] but it's not unnecessary to write the same here for anyone [8D]:

- go to the save folder. Inside there are several folders, one by game. In this subfolders, there are files and subfolders named Backup1, backup2,etc.

I need the files and Backup1 subfolder. Zip or rar them. It will allow me to go back to your last turn if needed for replay.

Thanks [:)]

[Sodei]

Just doing some indirect publicity for the blog, I swear I was not looking for attention. Seriously, I didn't want to load it up with my comment and this forum looked appropriate for my mini-AAR[:D].

[Chilperic]

ORIGINAL: Sodei

Just doing some indirect publicity for the blog, I swear I was not looking for attention. Seriously, I didn't want to load it up with my comment and this forum looked appropriate for my mini-AAR[:D].

Not a critic [:)]. It's difficult to follow info on two sites. Itry as much as possible to duplicate infos on both forum and blogs for this obvous reason.

Thanks for the file. Going to look at.

BTW, the max number of armies for Siberian WHites will be raised in the next version. [:)]

Regards

[JJKettunen]

ORIGINAL: Chliperic

In the next version, will cost NM losses for Siberian for:

-Czech subunits destroyed
- Elite Komuch subunits destroyed
- Eastern Cossacks subunits destroyed.

Should help to balance unhistorical path. I will remove some events for historical path to avoid other morale losses for Siberians.[:)]

Sounds good. Glad to be of help!

[Sodei]

I don't think this is the problem. While assaulting Orenburg, my 3-star officer Martynov(?) died leading a courageous assault, I still can't create an Army with any other 3 star general. I could do so with Koltchak, which I did before Martynov died. When I have the opportunity, I will try to switch leader, see if it is working. By the way, with the SW I use to have something like 4-5 Army leader, maybe six (Denikin, Krasnov, Mai-drunkard, Wrangel and one officer from the start that I don't remember the name). More testing must be done, though.

Once again, a great job you have done. Like I originally believed, Trotsky is not charging at me blindly, a mistake I would have made him pay painfully. Right now I am at the gate of Petrograd, no Reds relief force at the horizon but I have faith they will show up, they always do.

EDIT: You should take a look at my Komuch force created in Omsk. The Conscript I built there seems to be of WHI affiliation and not WHI2. I don't know if reinforcement work or not with them.