Between the Storms

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

John this thread is right up your ally. No it can't go in RA.[:'(]

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... =13&t=1130

ORIGINAL: wdolson
500,000 tons? How would it be built and where could it dock? The entire yearly steel output of Japan around 1930 was a little over 6 million tons. So this single ship would consume 1/12 of the entire steel output for a year.

The engineers probably drew up that plan after a late night of heavy drinking. Along with possibly some other substance.

Bill

What a CRAZY design! The designer said he spent six days making it. NUTS!

Do yaaaaa think we should????

OK. No we won't!
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd
For balance the Allies should get the Habkkuk:

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/whatif/habakkuk-700-em/

[ny59giants]

Looking at BTS 1.9

Akagi has 24 fighters and Amagi has 27 fighters. Why the difference for the same class CV??

Hiryu & Soryu have capacity for 69, but you have only 63 (21-21-21). Increase DB & TB to 24 each?? Or add Kate recon model??

Where did you hide the Kate Recon air groups (Chutai of 3 planes)?? I would have the Akagi Class (78 cap) as 24-27-27-3, Shokaku Class (72 cap) as 24-24-24-3, and Hiryu Class (69 cap) as 21-24-24-3.

Edit - Looking at start set up for Japan, you have the CVLs with each part of KB with a Chutai of Kate Recon expect CVL Ryukaka (with Amagi and Akagi). CVL Ryukaku has 15 Kate, but only 27 torpedoes. Thus, lower number of Kates to 12 and add Chutai of Kate recon. Each CV Division will have 3 recon Kates afterwards.

[ny59giants]

The two American CVB (Midway & FDR) have two VBF airgroups without any size, but 36 Corsairs. (ID 1781 & 2259).

[ny59giants]

CV Melbourne and Wellington - Their first upgrade is in 1/43. I think they should both lose their torpedo tubes and add either 20mm or 40mm AA guns.

CLV Charlotte - The American hybrids should lose the rear firing 5" guns and go with more 40mm Bofors at some point.

[John 3rd]

Those are good suggestions Michael. Will look into the Kate-R ideas and think your CAV/CLV ideas are pretty good.

Someone was, evidently, talking about concerns regarding the Hybrids in Cribtop's AAR but I haven't heard any details. Can anyone share the nature of the concern?

[John 3rd]

Heck...Bill....WHY NOT. Let us GREENLIGHT the Iceberg Carrier! Do you think a starting air group of 200+ Corsairs would be enough????

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Heck...Bill....WHY NOT. Let us GREENLIGHT the Iceberg Carrier! Do you think a starting air group of 200+ Corsairs would be enough????

You know in one of the older Harpoon games I have, there is a experimental CV that is (IIRC) a floating air base. Not a CV, but an actual air base. It can launch C-130's and some larger bombers. I'm going to find and reload that game and post a screen shot....GP

Need about a day...

[DOCUP]

John, the Iceberg carrier is huge it can have 200 plus P47's.[:D]

[John 3rd]

Hell...WHY NOT??? How about we go with a plane complement of 200 Corsairs (for Defense), 200 P-47 for Offense, and 100 B-29 for punch? Was thinking 200 of each but thought that might be a little too much...

[John 3rd]

Am going to take a serious look at suggestions made above and see about implementing them. Michael made sounds thoughts regarding Japanese Air Group composition as well as upgrades on the CLV/CAV. If someone doesn't choose to convert them to CVLs then it makes for a better ship later.

Thinking of further reducing the number of sorties on the Hybrids as well as ammo load-out. Even drawn back some, they are really USEFUL ships. Probably a bit too useful in reality. Any opinions might help here please...

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Hell...WHY NOT??? How about we go with a plane complement of 200 Corsairs (for Defense), 200 P-47 for Offense, and 100 B-29 for punch? Was thinking 200 of each but thought that might be a little too much...

B-29s might have been a bit big for even that carrier, but it probably could have operated PBJs with no problem.

Bill

[John 3rd]

How about B-52s?

[btd64]

John, The French AVD Petrel VI, based at Tahiti, is suppose to support 2 seaplanes. But it does not carry any supply. I looked on the web and could not find any info on this ship. I was thinking maybe about 60 to 80 ton carried for support of the 2 seaplanes....GP

[John 3rd]

Following what Michael said as well as some concerns that the CLV/CAV is still a little TOO useful, I have made changes to Treaty and Between the Storms Mods:

1. Hybrid Warships
---Lowered the Ammo supply for both main guns and secondaries. They can still fight but if it goes more then 7-8 gunnery rounds, the main guns will be DRY!
---As per Michael's recommendation I changed the upgrades on the Allied Hybrids to bring more 40MM on by cutting the rear 5" on Charlotte and the TTs on the Melbourne/Vindictive.

2. Fixed the Midway and FDR air group issue.

3. Add the Recon Variant of the Kate to all Heavy Japanese CVs. If it can carry 70+ planes then it gets a small 3 plane Chutai of Kates that changeover to Recon Judy.

4. AVD Petrel now has a few supplies.

Loading onto the website now.

[John 3rd]

Changes uploaded to the website.

[John 3rd]

Found some additional issues while working with Michael.

Fixed a double-named Japanese pair of CVs, standardized Shokaku-Class Air Groups, made sure appropriate recon plane appears with new CVs arriving in 1943-1945, and changed the arrival date of a group of Wildcats.

Has anyone noticed an issue with AV Tangier and Pocomoke coming in with their CVE Air Groups? Looks like an issue. Please take a look.

All fixed are uploaded as of now.

[JuanG]

Edit: Disregard, haven't used the editor in a while and misread.

Re-Edit: Princeton II still present as a CV name.
Also, aircraft #695 G5N3 Liz has a weapons mismatch between loadouts - slots 3-5 are 12.7mm Ho-103, while slots 14-15 are 12.7mm Type 1. This is causing display errors on the aircraft data sheet.
Also, aircraft G8N1 Rita present twice, with identical data but different entry dates (1/45 vs 4/45). Suggest swapping the 4/45 to a (fictional) G8N1a or something.

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Has anyone noticed an issue with AV Tangier and Pocomoke coming in with their CVE Air Groups? Looks like an issue. Please take a look.

Will Take a look when I get the turn back from JuanG....GP

[John 3rd]

Thank You Juan and GP. I am going to sit on cleaning stuff up for a few days to look for more. Once we've got whatever list we end up with I shall tackle it.

[btd64]

John, OK, here it goes;
AV Tangiers has airgroups (VF and VB 103) present at PH with the ship, not on board. Looks fine.
AV Pocomoke appears at Balboa in 60 to 70 days. According to the airgroup reinforcement screen, VF and VB 104 arrive with her. This doesn't look right as she is an AV and not converted yet.
AVP Petrel now has 60 (I think) TROOP capacity, not cargo. Needs to be adjusted.
TK Basilea does not appear to want to load fuel. See pic below....GP




Also the Aussie and NZ Buffalo art. I thought I saw it in my files. I will take a look and if it is there I will send it to you.[:)]