OT: Corona virus

[CaptBeefheart]

Awwww, feeling the love over here. Here's a feelgood story from the Boston Herald: As baseball restarts in South Korea, can MLB learn from the KBO? Warning: No cheerleaders in the photo.

Preseason started yesterday and regular season games start on May 5, which is Children's Day here. The stadia are empty, of course. I've heard different rumors as to when we'll be able to head to the park and spend a pleasant socially distant afternoon watching the cheerleaders and enjoying draft beer delivered seatside (hopefully that won't change).

To me it makes a lot of sense for the MLB to start playing games in Arizona before too long.

Cheers,
CB

[Sardaukar]

I think most of us are in "risk group", tend to be older (myself 53).

[JeffroK]

I love a positive attitude, as the US approaches a daily reported death toll which has surpassed the Marines death toll on Tarawa and is fast approaching the deaths incurred on 6 June 1944 many think things are under control.

But how bad are the US numbers, with approx 2200 deaths reported in 1 day this is swamped by the UK numbers of 840 reported deaths. the US population is roughly 5-6 times larger than the UK, which results in the UK numbers being relatively twice as bad as in the USA.

We often complain here about the tyranny of distance, the extra cost involved in being isolated from Europe & the USA, now we are so grateful to be able to easily close our borders, can operate our shutdown in a fairly accepted environment and are frankly amazed at some of the goings on in other nations.

So continue to behave in any way you want, you may be lucky and avoid the disease, but realise that even the FOX news reporters are smart enough to isolate themselves despite the news they report.

[alanschu]

Saw this take which attempted to explore the impacts in fatalities in the UK by assessing deaths this season compared to seasons past.

https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d0 ... 39799fa6ab

Estimates that the total deaths related (directly and indirectly caused) to Covid in the UK are probably closer to 41,000 (not 17-18,000). Given that they are just looking at total deaths, it seems as though "indirectly" is account for at the very least additional deaths that could not be treated due to impacts on NHS.

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The ONS data showed that deaths registered in the week ending April 10 were 75 per cent above normal in England and Wales, the highest level for more than 20 years.
 
 There were 18,516 deaths registered during that period compared with the most recent five year average of 10,520 for the same week of the year. There were similar patterns in Scotland and Northern Ireland 
 

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: JeffroK

I love a positive attitude, as the US approaches a daily reported death toll which has surpassed the Marines death toll on Tarawa and is fast approaching the deaths incurred on 6 June 1944 many think things are under control.

But how bad are the US numbers, with approx 2200 deaths reported in 1 day this is swamped by the UK numbers of 840 reported deaths. the US population is roughly 5-6 times larger than the UK, which results in the UK numbers being relatively twice as bad as in the USA.

We often complain here about the tyranny of distance, the extra cost involved in being isolated from Europe & the USA, now we are so grateful to be able to easily close our borders, can operate our shutdown in a fairly accepted environment and are frankly amazed at some of the goings on in other nations.

So continue to behave in any way you want, you may be lucky and avoid the disease, but realise that even the FOX news reporters are smart enough to isolate themselves despite the news they report.

warspite1

How very.... smug of you [:(].

Well I am genuinely glad its working out for our antipodean friends and you've avoided the higher numbers seen elsewhere. Sadly some of us are not having the same success for whatever reasons. Not really sure of the need for that post but there you go.

[MakeeLearn]

With so many nursing homes hit by CoVid19, I would say that it is everywhere and a very high number of people have been exposed to it. Thus, mortality rate <1%.

[MakeeLearn]

During the past week the mornings have had a very "Treey" smell.


The Trees

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
And they're quite convinced they're right
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream, "oppression"
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
"The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light"
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet
Axe
And saw

-Rush

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: JeffroK

I love a positive attitude, as the US approaches a daily reported death toll which has surpassed the Marines death toll on Tarawa and is fast approaching the deaths incurred on 6 June 1944 many think things are under control.

Spurious comparisons with no validity......much like the remainder of your disgusting post.

[MakeeLearn]

More than half of detainees at Fla. immigration facility have been exposed to coronavirus
5 hrs ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more- ... li=BBnb7Kz


"MIAMI — More than half of the detainees inside an immigration detention center in Miami-Dade County have been exposed to COVID-19, U.S. government officials said in a federal court filing Tuesday."



"In a sworn statement filed in Miami federal court, Liana J. Castano, the acting director in charge of the Krome facility, said eight staff members have tested positive for the virus and that 350 detainees, whom the government has identified as being exposed to the illness, are being quarantined together, a practice that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement calls “cohorting.”"

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus cases are likely 10 to 20 times higher in US than reported, former FDA chief Gottlieb says
Apr 21 2020


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/coronav ... -says.html



" The real number of coronavirus cases in the United States is likely significantly higher — as much as 10 or even 20 times higher — than the tally of Covid-19 infections currently being reported, a former federal health official said.

“There’s certainly under-diagnosis going on,” said Dr. Scott Gottlieb.

Health experts say there needs to be much more coronavirus testing to better monitor the spread of the virus as states seek to reopen businesses and social settings."


"If Gottlieb is correct, that would mean that there are between almost 8 million and 15.75 million Americans who already have contracted the coronavirus, or between 2.4% to 4.8% of the U.S. population.

But it would also mean that the death rate from coronavirus cases could be markedly lower than official reports.

Gottlieb spoke a day after the publication of an analysis of the coronavirus outbreak in Los Angeles County, which estimated that the number of actual cases there is between 28 and 55 times greater than the number of confirmed cases, which as of Monday was just under 8,000."

[MakeeLearn]

Los Angeles study backs Stanford researchers' conclusion about high prevalence of COVID-19
USC researchers, who collaborated with Stanford, concluded that about 4% of Los Angeles County residents were infected with virus
Apr 21, 2020

https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2020/04 ... f-covid-19

"Days after Stanford University researchers issued an early draft of a study suggesting that up to 81,000 residents of Santa Clara County had been infected by COVID-19 as of early April, a team at the University of Southern California (USC) released its own serological study that similarly concludes that the disease is far more widespread — and less deadly — than official estimates indicate."


"The Stanford study, led by Assistant Professor Eran Bendavid, concluded that the mortality rate in Santa Clara County is between 0.12% and 0.2%. (In contrast, the county's mortality rate based solely on official cases and deaths as of last Friday, April 17, was 3.9%.) "

[Chickenboy]

Screenshot from the Babylon Bee, a parody site. How Chik-Fil-A is recommending fighting COVID-19.

[MakeeLearn]

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
59 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autop ... li=BBnb7Kz


"At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said Tuesday, signaling that the virus may have spread — and claimed lives — in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

Tissue samples taken during autopsies of two individuals who died at home in Santa Clara County, Calif., tested positive for the virus, local health officials said in a statement. The victims died on Feb. 6 and Feb. 17, respectively.'


"“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.” "

[MakeeLearn]

Bat-Fil-A

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
59 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autop ... li=BBnb7Kz


"At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said Tuesday, signaling that the virus may have spread — and claimed lives — in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

Tissue samples taken during autopsies of two individuals who died at home in Santa Clara County, Calif., tested positive for the virus, local health officials said in a statement. The victims died on Feb. 6 and Feb. 17, respectively.'


"“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.” "

Reminds me of the old medical saw by Robin Cook:

"Surgeons know nothing but do everything. Internists know everything but do nothing. Pathologists know everything and do everything but too late."

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



"Surgeons know nothing but do everything. Internists know everything but do nothing. Pathologists know everything and do everything but too late."

1++
That applies to SO many things

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought
59 mins ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/autop ... li=BBnb7Kz


"At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said Tuesday, signaling that the virus may have spread — and claimed lives — in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

Tissue samples taken during autopsies of two individuals who died at home in Santa Clara County, Calif., tested positive for the virus, local health officials said in a statement. The victims died on Feb. 6 and Feb. 17, respectively.'


"“The fact that there were deaths related to covid back in early February is very significant because it means the virus was around for a lot longer than was initially realized,” Jeff Smith, a physician and the county executive in Santa Clara, told The Washington Post. “It’s been around for a while and it’s probably been spreading in the community for quite some time.” "

Interesting piece.

[HansBolter]

We now have the 'let's lock down our economy until it collapses so Trump won't get reelected' crowd throwing out the posit that perhaps lock down protesters should have to wave their right to medical treatment.

The obvious counter to that is positing that those who want to hide in their homes refusing to go back to work should have to sign away their 'right' to economic relief from their government.

Economic and physical well being are not easy things to balance and jingoistic approaches slamming one side or the other accomplish nothing more than raising the ire of the side with the opposing viewpoint.

It's probably clear to most with functional grey matter that localized approaches have varied widely with some erring way too heavily on the side of caution and others erring way too heavily on the cavalier side.

How do you balance things like the story coming out of PA about a consignment shop owner being prevented from selling children's clothes while Wal Mart and Target keep right on doing so? How about the overreaches by border line Nazi Governors who target religious liberty by disallowing drive in church services while allowing every fast food drive through in the state to remain open? That one, by the way, has already been stooped by a court order.

Nothing about this is easy.

[MakeeLearn]

If CoVid19 went from Wuhan, China to the Amazon, in a few months, that $#%^ is EVERYWHERE.

Wed 1 Apr 2020 20.51 EDT

Brazil confirms first indigenous case of coronavirus in Amazon

Positive test for 20-year-old woman from Kokama tribe comes amid fears virus could devastate remote communities
https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... -in-amazon

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

We now have the 'let's lock down our economy until it collapses so Trump won't get reelected' crowd throwing out the posit that perhaps lock down protesters should have to wave their right to medical treatment.

The obvious counter to that is positing that those who want to hide in their homes refusing to go back to work should have to sign away their 'right' to economic relief from their government.

Economic and physical well being are not easy things to balance and jingoistic approaches slamming one side or the other accomplish nothing more than raising the ire of the side with the opposing viewpoint.

It's probably clear to most with functional grey matter that localized approaches have varied widely with some erring way too heavily on the side of caution and others erring way too heavily on the cavalier side.

How do you balance things like the story coming out of PA about a consignment shop owner being prevented from selling children's clothes while Wal Mart and Target keep right on doing so? How about the overreaches by border line Nazi Governors who target religious liberty by disallowing drive in church services while allowing every fast food drive through in the state to remain open? That one, by the way, has already been stooped by a court order.

Nothing about this is easy.

We need to cover ourselves with Take-Out food wrappers for protection.