OT: Corona virus

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Infant mortality is considerably higher today than it was 100 years ago, and it's mostly elective. At least half the population and basically all the media have rationalized it to the point that they don't think about it in terms of humans dying. So is life worth more today than it was a century ago? No.

On that issue I'd suggest we not go there. Plenty of very deeply held and emotive opinions on both sides that essentially come down to where you see 'human life' as beginning. None of which really pertains to the present situation.

You just hit the nail on the head of the single greatest problem facing humanity.

People need to start worrying less about 'how they see things" and a whole lot more about the facts of reality of how things are.

Steam starts coming out of my ears every time I hear someone use the phrase 'how I see things'.

The phrase 'how I see things' is an automatic disqualifier that negates everything that follows it.

What 'how I see things' really means is 'I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, but this is what I think'.....

A little clue here, nobody give a rats ass what you, or I , or anyone THINKS.

It's what we know to be facts of reality that matter.

[HansBolter]

The latest on lock downs gone crazy


https://www.dailywire.com/news/sheriff- ... tay-silent




This kind of arbitrary choosing of what does and does not constitute an essential business or activity is WHY Americans fought to eliminate the tyranny of autocratic rule.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Infant mortality is considerably higher today than it was 100 years ago, and it's mostly elective. At least half the population and basically all the media have rationalized it to the point that they don't think about it in terms of humans dying. So is life worth more today than it was a century ago? No.

On that issue I'd suggest we not go there. Plenty of very deeply held and emotive opinions on both sides that essentially come down to where you see 'human life' as beginning. None of which really pertains to the present situation.

You just hit the nail on the head of the single greatest problem facing humanity.

People need to start worrying less about 'how they see things" and a whole lot more about the facts of reality of how things are.

Steam starts coming out of my ears every time I hear someone use the phrase 'how I see things'.

The phrase 'how I see things' is an automatic disqualifier that negates everything that follows it.

What 'how I see things' really means is 'I don't have a clue what I'm talking about, but this is what I think'.....

A little clue here, nobody give a rats ass what you, or I , or anyone THINKS.

It's what we know to be facts of reality that matter.

Facts without interpretation are meaningless. Particularly if facts (like much about COVID-19) are disparate, disconnected and largely unknown. Interpretation of factual meaning and application of experiential learning are the underpinning of scientific discovery and critical to how we make decisions about everything in science and life in general.

"How I see things" could be replaced with "Based upon my experience with X, I think Y" to make a perfectly valid root comparative for discourse.

[HansBolter]

This is the article I meant to link to my comment about the judiciary having set itself on a collision course of reckoning with the people since legislation from the bench is an illegal violation of the separation of powers:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas- ... -overreach

[fabertong]

I've been following this thread with interest from a distance....esp. since I have had Covid-19, a very unpleasant experience.

As always with this community I have learned a lot from folks with a great deal of expertise across a broad area of subjects...the strength of this forum.

However it does seem to me that this thread is drifting into politics in a way they could be very divisive to the purpose of the forum....that of supporting a passionate gaming community.

[HansBolter]

The latest data from myflorida.com:

[Canoerebel]

Hey, fabertong, I wasn't aware that you'd had it. I'm glad you're on this side of the experience. If you have time, tell us about it. I don't think we've had another forumite with a confirmed case, though several have mentioned suspicious or self-quarantining to see. Also, MacLean from Toronto mentioned weeks ago that he was in isolation or being tested, and I think that was the last we heard from him here.

[Lowpe]

Here in Pennsylvania, a lot of funny things are going on. County Coroner's from rural areas say zero deaths from Covid, and but the state is attributing many deaths due to covid to them.

Here is a picture of our State Sec of Health along with other members of our leadership.

[MakeeLearn]

Too much soy?

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Here in Pennsylvania, a lot of funny things are going on. County Coroner's from rural areas say zero deaths from Covid, and but the state is attributing many deaths due to covid to them.

Here is a picture of our State Sec of Health along with other members of our leadership.

Maybe... just maybe... it's because some Coronaviruses identify as a flu.

[MakeeLearn]

Is your mail safe? 3 Jacksonville postal workers test positive for COVID-19
April 22, 2020


https://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/ne ... eccb594ed9


"The United States Postal Service announced Wednesday that employees working at mail distribution centers have coronavirus, USPS says that mail is still safe.

[RFalvo69]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: obvert

Constantly trumpeting your political position is irrelevant and boring.

Frankly I find it to be a refreshing counterpoint to the never ending drivel of blithering village idiocy coming from the leftists.

A fine example of how one can strive to keep this thread "non political".

Returning to our regular program, my home region of Calabria made the news on the NYT. Sadly they aren't good (except for the bit about how the authorities managed to contain the pandemic more successfully than in other regions).

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/worl ... Position=3

[MakeeLearn]

These eight states haven't issued stay-at-home orders to fight the coronavirus outbreak
7 hrs ago


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/these ... li=BBnbfcL

"The leaders of Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming have taken steps to limit the size of gatherings, close schools and some nonessential businesses, and prohibit on-site dining at restaurants. But they have stopped short of directing all residents to stay home except for essential business.

The Republican governors in those states have defended their decisions, arguing that their hospitals aren’t overrun and their rural states haven’t been hit as hard as others with denser urban centers, such as New York, Washington or Louisiana. The governors have said they don’t want to hurt small businesses or infringe on individual freedoms.

At the same time, several of the states are dealing with outbreaks at meat processing plants, senior homes and long-term care facilities, and prisons that have raised concerns about the absence of stricter regulations. A lack of widespread testing, experts say, makes it difficult to gauge the full extent of the outbreak. "

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

This is the article I meant to link to my comment about the judiciary having set itself on a collision course of reckoning with the people since legislation from the bench is an illegal violation of the separation of powers:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas- ... -overreach

From what I read, not an actual judge on the judiciary but rather the county executive. A suggestion would have been much better rather than an order and the imposition with the punishment being a fine. Unless she meant to fill the county coffers . . . [8|]

[MakeeLearn]

‘Instead of Coronavirus, the Hunger Will Kill Us.’ A Global Food Crisis Looms.

The world has never faced a hunger emergency like this, experts say. It could double the number of people facing acute hunger to 265 million by the end of this year.
Updated April 23, 2020, 6:39 a.m. ET



"The coronavirus pandemic has brought hunger to millions of people around the world. National lockdowns and social distancing measures are drying up work and incomes, and are likely to disrupt agricultural production and supply routes — leaving millions to worry how they will get enough to eat."

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Infant mortality is considerably higher today than it was 100 years ago

Now that *is* demonstratively untrue!

https://ourworldindata.org/child-mortality

Warning: opinion statement and conjecture

He's bringing in abortion as a form of child mortality without actuality mentioning it, or providing evidence, and while assuming there was little to no abortion in the early 20th century and trusting that the core group will understand both his intent and sentiment.

Actually there were quite a lot of abortions in this period but records are scant because the procedure was no longer legal, while it was very common and not condemned by either law or the church in the 19th century up until after the civil war.

I was going to go in to abortion in more detail, as given the improved, professional access to abortion you could argue that it demonstrates a better value of life than previous unregulated procedures that were conducted historically.

Then, I thought, why bother? From the content of some of the posts on this forum, you won't get any informed discussion on women's reproductive rights.

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

This is the article I meant to link to my comment about the judiciary having set itself on a collision course of reckoning with the people since legislation from the bench is an illegal violation of the separation of powers:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas- ... -overreach

Therein lies the crux of the challenge within the US with regards to COVID 19.

Too independent to accept legislation restricting personal freedoms, but insufficient social cohesion to remove the need for legislation .

[MakeeLearn]

If, since your illness with sepsis, you have been well and not experienced repeated infections or problems with your immunity then the impact of a COViD-19 infection is likely to be same the same of the majority of the population – in other words, a relatively mild illness.”

www.meningitisnow.org/meningitis-explai ... 4wQAvD_BwE

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing


Therein lies the crux of the challenge within the US with regards to COVID 19.

Too independent to accept legislation restricting personal freedoms, but insufficient social cohesion to remove the need for legislation .

Fundamentally, local (i.e. state and county governments) have lots of leeway to enforce restrictions in the name of public safety and always have. The Federal Government should not domestically.

How it is supposed to work is the county competes against county for the best method, state against state.

With Covid we are seeing that writ large as the individual states responses is greatly varied. There are going to be tremendous economic sea changes as this settles out which I don't think a lot of people have thought about let alone the very obvious political changes.

[MakeeLearn]

Why do we not have this level of concern for flu, etc. deaths?


This concern for life should apply to all.

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe




..tremendous... changes...