Aussies vs Amis - World Defence(no Joe or Nik)

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: jrcar
...the Japanese player needs to accept more risk (and can afford to do so generally) where as the Allied player needs to really husband resorces and not waste them...

Now that is an interesting statement.

[Q-Ball]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: jrcar
...the Japanese player needs to accept more risk (and can afford to do so generally) where as the Allied player needs to really husband resorces and not waste them...

Now that is an interesting statement.

I agree with Mike....I kind of feel the other way. The Allied player can afford a catastrophic loss. The Japanese player cannot. I think the Japanese player DOES take on more risk in most instances, because there are few replacements, but generally cannot really afford those high risks.

The Allied player has room for error. The Japanese player does not. This, among many reasons, is why AE is harder for the Japanese player than for the Allied.

Good AAR though, and you are doing a good job

[jrcar]

From what perspective?

Cheers
Rob

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: jrcar
...the Japanese player needs to accept more risk (and can afford to do so generally) where as the Allied player needs to really husband resorces and not waste them...

Now that is an interesting statement.

[Mike Solli]

To me it seems backward, as Q-Ball said. I believe the Allied player can expend forces (with the exception of carriers - unless he trades carriers with the Japanese) and the Japanese player has to conserve constantly.

[jrcar]

I agree that the room for error as the Japanese is tight (you can make 1-2 mistakes) but mainly in the surface fleet. I guess my point was aimed more early war, and more land centric. As the Allies if you loose 2-4 Div you are in real problems, even with the fragments rebuilding it takes a long time to recover, or if they are UK/Indian maybe never.

The Japanese can afford land unit losses and can rebuild easier and in a more flexible way. It still hurts and costs, but the Japanese OOB allows you to burn ground combat units more so than the Allies. This is impoartant in Burma in particular, but also in the delaying battles in the SWPAC/DEI.

In the air the Japanese can also provide plenty of planes (their real limit is squadrons, and pilots, not airframes). If the allies loose a number of mediums then they take forever to recover (as we have found out, down about 50 mediums at the moment), fighters are also tight until mid 43. Squadrons and pilots you have plenty!

The Allies can burn engineers and BF from late 42 (but are scrambling before then), this is one area where the Japanese are well behind.

Playing as Japanese IS tough in AE (I've done it once in testing to late 42)... I'm starting to formulate a strategy and policy though that I'd like to test... we should win this gme by Christmas and then maybe swap sides!


And thanks for the comments

Cheers

Rob

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: jrcar
...the Japanese player needs to accept more risk (and can afford to do so generally) where as the Allied player needs to really husband resorces and not waste them...

Now that is an interesting statement.

I agree with Mike....I kind of feel the other way. The Allied player can afford a catastrophic loss. The Japanese player cannot. I think the Japanese player DOES take on more risk in most instances, because there are few replacements, but generally cannot really afford those high risks.

The Allied player has room for error. The Japanese player does not. This, among many reasons, is why AE is harder for the Japanese player than for the Allied.

Good AAR though, and you are doing a good job

[jrcar]

Ok, thanks.

The Allied player can only accept losses if they also create losses on the Japanese. 1:1 or 1:1.5 (against) is OK. But if the Allied player looses ships (capital mainly, but also escorts) at 2-3:1 against then they will soon be in trouble... I know I've done it!

Then there are the ground forces... if a Japanese player can destroy a couple of Allied divs then the Allied player lacks the capability for simultaneous operations, even if they have the shipping... this restricts options and allows the Japanese to face (and handle) one threat, not 2-3.

Loosing BF and engineers early as the Allied player REALLY hurts... if you can't generate a 60-100 aircraft CAP then KB can trash areas at will (like has happened to Andy against PZB).

By late 1942 the Allies have an excess of BF/Eng units, but are still at a disadvantage ground combat wise (but as the Japanese are on the defensive, the Allies can concentrate in time and space).

IMHO I think that the important thing as the Japanese is to :

Destroy the Allied airforce, preferably on the ground. Kill planes early why you can. This also stops the Allied player from being able to train.

Attempt to isloate and destroy 1-2 Allied Divs. This is the benefit of invading places like Fiji. This creates a weakness that can be exploited later (if you have the CV's...)

Apart from the DEI, ground is unimportant.

The Japanese can sacrifice ground combat units for delay.

Cheers

Rob

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

To me it seems backward, as Q-Ball said. I believe the Allied player can expend forces (with the exception of carriers - unless he trades carriers with the Japanese) and the Japanese player has to conserve constantly.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: jrcar

I agree that the room for error as the Japanese is tight (you can make 1-2 mistakes) but mainly in the surface fleet. I guess my point was aimed more early war, and more land centric. As the Allies if you loose 2-4 Div you are in real problems, even with the fragments rebuilding it takes a long time to recover, or if they are UK/Indian maybe never.

The Japanese can afford land unit losses and can rebuild easier and in a more flexible way. It still hurts and costs, but the Japanese OOB allows you to burn ground combat units more so than the Allies. This is impoartant in Burma in particular, but also in the delaying battles in the SWPAC/DEI.

In the air the Japanese can also provide plenty of planes (their real limit is squadrons, and pilots, not airframes). If the allies loose a number of mediums then they take forever to recover (as we have found out, down about 50 mediums at the moment), fighters are also tight until mid 43. Squadrons and pilots you have plenty!

The Allies can burn engineers and BF from late 42 (but are scrambling before then), this is one area where the Japanese are well behind.

Playing as Japanese IS tough in AE (I've done it once in testing to late 42)... I'm starting to formulate a strategy and policy though that I'd like to test... we should win this gme by Christmas and then maybe swap sides!


And thanks for the comments

Cheers

Rob

Rob, for the most part I agree with you. I'll take your word for the Allied side. I've never played them. [:D]

I do question your comments concerning the Japanese land forces though. In my AAR, that's my big shortage. It's really slowing me down. In regards to your comments about the Japanese ability to rebuild land forces, as long as they aren't destroyed, then yes, I agree. As long as the Japanese player has sufficient armament and vehicle points (I think manpower points are going to be a non-issue in AE as it was in WitP), he can rebuild anything. I'm really curious how to successfully keep to the historic Japanese invasion timeline though. The Allied infantry may be weak, but it is numerous. My infantry is getting weaker each day (mainly disruption, not loss). So far, the only non-historic areas I've taken were the Pt. Moresby area and Pt. Blair.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: jrcar

The 41st was shipped "early" via the long way... a tough call be we decided early to comit the two Aussie divs and a US Div to CBI theatre, and in return to comit two UK divs to the defence of Darwin... I feel that that swap would have been politically acceptable in real life.

Speaking of course hypothetically, I personally would not argue that such a swap would have been politically acceptable in real life. Not totally impossible, but on the balance of probability, unlikely to have been acceptable in political terms in all three countries. My hypothetical take is as follows.

1. Australia

The Australian public would probably have seen a swap of the 6th and 7th AIF divisions for two British divisions as OK, being a demonstration of Empire solidarity and in keeping with the Imperial rationale which resulted in the 8th AIF being deployed to Singapore. However from Curtin's perspective, being privy to military information from the professionals, I suspect he would (a) have been suspicious of such a swap being aware that in terms of troop quality Australia was losing out on the deal, and (b) wary that Churchill would still maintain de facto control over the British units and subjugate them to British interests rather than Australian interests.

2. America

Prior to the Pearl Harbor attack, the British had over a period of time engaged the Americans in discussions aimed at forging a coordinated naval plan to discourage a preemptive Japanese strike on Singapore. Those discussions led nowhere, largely because the Americans were not satisfied as to the willingness of the British to fight. Immediately following Pearl Harbor, the American public was anti Japanese, not really pro British in terms of deploying American forces - particularly when there was concern regarding the defences on Hawaii and the West Coast. So to me there is a large question mark as to whether, in practical terms (as opposed to in principle) whether Roosevelt would have commited before Midway, the despatch of an entire American division to Burma, an area which the British were clearly abandoning.

3. Britain

In view that Churchill would be exchanging 2 divisions for 3 higher quality divisions, and thinking that the British units at Darwin would not necessarily be out of his command reach, he probably would acquiese, although he would have tried to also keep the British divisions as that would have been consistent with the pre war Singapore strategy and provide him with the resources to deal with Vichy African colonies (= Madagascar).

Alfred

[jrcar]

We have the turn and have processed our part. They have a strong SCTF covering their unloading in the Kuriles, so the attack will go in at Adak as originally planned.

In Burma things are looking good for us, but even without any real opposition the B-17 groups are at half strength (from damaged aircraft).

In the SWPAC area groups of B-25 (Dutch, Australian, US) are now assembling for an attack on Dili with support from Beufighters and maybe P-38. Many of our B-25 groups are at only half strength, but should be able to generate a force of around 50-70 B-25. I don't have an airHQ in Darwin though, and with wildly different experiance levels and different HQ's I have no expectation of a co-ordinated attack.

The B-17 groups at Darwin are still at half strength airframe wise, only just starting to be moderately trained (in the 50's) and not really redy for battle... but they may have to be committed anyway so I "punch" and not tickle.

The B-24 group is almost full strength airframe wise, but is still woefully trained...

I'd like to commit all three at the same time, on at least 2 different targets... but don't want to wait... but so far have no plan beyond "attriting the enemy".


Intel wise Koepang is showing 5 units (even though only one was hit by the CL bombardments) and Kendari has 20 units!


I'm still moving forces into Kaimana. Significant forces are unloading at Madang now, with more engineers on the way.

In SOPAC lots unloading at Rabaul, and much is then reloading in preparation for Operation TIGER.


Someone still inssists on sending mega convoys that take forever to unload... good help is hard to find...

Cheers

Rob

[jrcar]

Ref point 2 there was a lot of "push" from Stillwell (and some others) to send a Div to this area. Lots of aircraft, basforce pers and engineers were sent. So it is plausible.

In our alternative universe the Brits agreed to an early offensive (in real life they kept getting cold feet and claiming a lack of transports and resources) and so the US has comitted a force as part of the ABDA (the ABDA HQ is here) to attempt to strike back towards the DEI.

The Brit forces really can't sustain an attack as this point of the war without significant help, they are a shallow force with little depth (land, air and sea).

Cheers

Rob

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: jrcar

The 41st was shipped "early" via the long way... a tough call be we decided early to comit the two Aussie divs and a US Div to CBI theatre, and in return to comit two UK divs to the defence of Darwin... I feel that that swap would have been politically acceptable in real life.

Speaking of course hypothetically, I personally would not argue that such a swap would have been politically acceptable in real life. Not totally impossible, but on the balance of probability, unlikely to have been acceptable in political terms in all three countries. My hypothetical take is as follows.

1. Australia

The Australian public would probably have seen a swap of the 6th and 7th AIF divisions for two British divisions as OK, being a demonstration of Empire solidarity and in keeping with the Imperial rationale which resulted in the 8th AIF being deployed to Singapore. However from Curtin's perspective, being privy to military information from the professionals, I suspect he would (a) have been suspicious of such a swap being aware that in terms of troop quality Australia was losing out on the deal, and (b) wary that Churchill would still maintain de facto control over the British units and subjugate them to British interests rather than Australian interests.

2. America

Prior to the Pearl Harbor attack, the British had over a period of time engaged the Americans in discussions aimed at forging a coordinated naval plan to discourage a preemptive Japanese strike on Singapore. Those discussions led nowhere, largely because the Americans were not satisfied as to the willingness of the British to fight. Immediately following Pearl Harbor, the American public was anti Japanese, not really pro British in terms of deploying American forces - particularly when there was concern regarding the defences on Hawaii and the West Coast. So to me there is a large question mark as to whether, in practical terms (as opposed to in principle) whether Roosevelt would have commited before Midway, the despatch of an entire American division to Burma, an area which the British were clearly abandoning.

3. Britain

In view that Churchill would be exchanging 2 divisions for 3 higher quality divisions, and thinking that the British units at Darwin would not necessarily be out of his command reach, he probably would acquiese, although he would have tried to also keep the British divisions as that would have been consistent with the pre war Singapore strategy and provide him with the resources to deal with Vichy African colonies (= Madagascar).

Alfred

[jrcar]

16-17 Sep 1942

Subs
Off Rabaul we run over an I boat dong it a fair amount of damage.

They try to engage my bombardment TF coming into Adak (see below) with an I boat but no hits.

We attack shipping around Sorong, including a CL/DD TF, but only hit an xAK.

Burma
We bombard at Pegu to find out what is there...

Ground combat at Pegu (55,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4455 troops, 214 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 1564

Defending force 22157 troops, 204 guns, 219 vehicles, Assault Value = 486

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Assaulting units:
21st Australian Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
25th Australian Brigade
46th Indian Brigade
3rd Carbiniers Regiment
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
14th British Brigade
13th Indian Brigade
2nd Recce Regiment
26th Indian Brigade
1st Burma Brigade
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
18th Australian Brigade
28th New Chinese Division
2/11th Field Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Indian Corps
8th Medium Regiment
6th Heavy AA Regiment
30th Field Artillery Regiment
Burma Corps
27th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
NCAC
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
38th Division
35th Fld AA Gun Co
5th Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Army
7th JAAF Base Force

Looks like we attack next turn...

We continue to hit Port Blair doing moderate damage against no opposition.

DEI
No action

PI
They bomb Zamboanga from the air forlittle effect.

SWPAC
Quiete. Kaimana reaches a level 1 fort. They appear to be fast transporting force around, in particular on the north-east coast of PNG.

SOPAC
They are reconnong heavily Rabaul, picking up the TF's.

B-24 from Rabaul hit Ponope doing light damage.

Centpac
Quiet

NORPAC
I stuff up the bombardment TF shomehow, and it doesn't bomb (actually I think I forgot to change from SCTF to Bombardment)... bugger

The attack goes in, not supply is finally an issue for the, Our losses are OK... may attack again next turn.

Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29880 troops, 413 guns, 362 vehicles, Assault Value = 693

Defending force 27509 troops, 315 guns, 182 vehicles, Assault Value = 504

Allied adjusted assault: 790

Japanese adjusted defense: 1561

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1919 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 122 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
622 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (0 destroyed, 12 disabled)


Assaulting units:
57th Coastal Artillery Regiment
7th Marine Regiment
138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
58th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
23rd Marine Regiment
87th Mountain Regiment
2nd USMC Parachute Battalion
1st Marine Raider Bn /1
30th Coast AA Regiment
B Det USN Port Svc
Eleventh USAAF
255th USN Base Force /4
813th Engineer Aviation Battalion
13th USN Naval Construction Battalion
42nd Const Rgt /1
165th Field Artillery Battalion
802nd Engineer Aviation Battalion
106th USN Base Force
501st Coast AA Regiment
North Pacific
183rd Field Artillery Regiment
137th USA Base Force
210th Cst AA Rgt /3

Defending units:
7th/A Division
19th Division
7th/B Division
7th/C Division
14th Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
51st JNAF AF Unit
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
48th Field Artillery Regiment
17th Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
21st Special Base Force
C./50th JNAF Coy


China
They continue to hit Kanhsien from air and ground to light effect.


Another couple of turns and our redeploments should be finalised, then we can begin to move forward again...

Cheers

Rob

[jrcar]

18-19 Sep 1942

This turn confirms the war is over, except for bayoneting the dead and dying...

Subs
On of ours hits a mine in the inland sea. That was about it.

Burma
We attack Moulmein with B-17 with and without escort. A heavey CAP of around 30-50 aircraft causes us a bit of grief, and we don't do a lot of damage... Don't know what our losses were, but we have a lot of B-17 damaged.

At Pegu the attack goes in nicely... I'm not sure what was in a bad op mode or why...

Ground combat at Pegu (55,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 56377 troops, 648 guns, 1062 vehicles, Assault Value = 1797

Defending force 22142 troops, 203 guns, 220 vehicles, Assault Value = 484

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 1726

Japanese adjusted defense: 121

Allied assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Pegu !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: op mode(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6667 casualties reported
Squads: 122 destroyed, 138 disabled
Non Combat: 303 destroyed, 160 disabled
Engineers: 85 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 89 (83 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 173 (155 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Units retreated 6


Allied ground losses:
828 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 53 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 76 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 44 (1 destroyed, 43 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
42nd Cavalry Regiment
26th Indian Brigade
2nd Recce Regiment
18th Australian Brigade
21st Australian Brigade
1st Burma Brigade
46th Indian Brigade
7th Aus Div Cav Regiment
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
4th British Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
13th Indian Brigade
25th Australian Brigade
14th British Brigade
3rd Carbiniers Regiment
28th New Chinese Division
8th Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
30th Field Artillery Regiment
IV Indian Corps
27th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
NCAC
6th Heavy AA Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
Burma Corps
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
38th Division
35th Fld AA Gun Co
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
15th Army
7th JAAF Base Force

That is now one div lost, one div trashed in Burma for basically no loss to ourselves... we now have an overwhelming advantage as we can create an offensive arymy of around 3000AV...

It won't be pretty for them here now... what will they do?


DEI
Mini KB makes an appearance trying to kill our CL TF that hit Koepang, they guessed rightly that we were at Broome, but then Tony moved to Darwin and this turn hit Dili... here are the results, picture below...

Morning Air attack on TF, near Moa at 74,118

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 59
B5N2 Kate x 13



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Hobart
CL Mauritius
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Moa at 74,118

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 51 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 48
B5N2 Kate x 27



Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Hobart, Bomb hits 1
CL Mauritius
DD Isaac Sweers, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Naval bombardment of Dili at 71,115

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CL Mauritius
CL Hobart
DD Arrow
DD Van Galen
DD Isaac Sweers

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)



Airbase hits 49
Airbase supply hits 31
Runway hits 334
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

Lots of aircraft damaged at Dili, the bombardment was so effective due to the hugh DL level we had there (Lighting Recon for the last few weeks, 9/10 DL). The airfield is probably closed down, will launch a strike from Darwin methinks now!

You may ask why that SCTF had no CAP... well the British Navy decided they didn't need it (Tony did the move without co-ordinating it with tmy aircraft)... we may loose a DD...

The TF escaped OK from mini KB, and with a lot of fighters at Darwin they would be foolish to attack...

SWPAC
All quiet as we train and move forces about.

SOPAC
Our TF at Rabaul are being "pinged" by search aircraft (mainly Glen) all the time... we have 100+ fighters so I doubt they will attack now...

CENTPAC
Forces should be unloading at Makin (which is still Allied).

NORPAC
The Bombardment TF hits and we deliberate attack, causing a lot of casulties to them even at 1:1 odds. I will now rest a few days then attack again...

Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee
BB Maryland
CA Vincennes
CA New Orleans
CA Louisville
DD Tucker
DD Flusser
DD Preston
DD Lamson
DD Ellet

Japanese ground losses:
327 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 22 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29901 troops, 413 guns, 362 vehicles, Assault Value = 676

Defending force 25811 troops, 315 guns, 180 vehicles, Assault Value = 427

Allied adjusted assault: 802

Japanese adjusted defense: 513

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1576 casualties reported
Squads: 24 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 60 destroyed, 53 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (2 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1441 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 84 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 95 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Ground combat at Adak Island (162,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28927 troops, 413 guns, 362 vehicles, Assault Value = 619

Defending force 24095 troops, 315 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 374

Allied adjusted assault: 685

Japanese adjusted defense: 615

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1269 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (0 destroyed, 16 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
590 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)


China
As expected Kanhsien falls...

Ground combat at Kanhsien (81,57)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 36097 troops, 313 guns, 259 vehicles, Assault Value = 1068

Defending force 20289 troops, 124 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 399

Japanese adjusted assault: 509

Allied adjusted defense: 106

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kanhsien !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
401 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 31 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
6851 casualties reported
Squads: 325 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 241 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 69 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 36 (35 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 7


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
59th Infantry Division
51st Recon Regiment
17th Division
22nd Division
20th Recon Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
China Expeditionary Army
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun AT Gun Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
13th Army
11th Army
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
9th Prov Chinese Corps
25th Chinese Corps
28th Chinese/C Corps
86th Chinese/C Corps
12th Group Army
14th Chinese Base Force
18th Chinese Base Force

[jrcar]

We have now created about a 6-7 div differential....

2 Japanese Div are at Adak being destroyed.
One is in the swap west of Rangoon, she won't come out.
One just retreated from Pegu.
1-2 regiments were destroyed earlier.


In addition we didn't loose the two reinforcing Divs to Singapore (although one is ok the other is at 1/3rd strength), and we have now just about rebuilt the 8th Australian Div!

We have also rebuilt the 4th Marines (from the PI) as we have basically suffered NO USMC losses we have stacks of squads to do so....

We haven't upgraded the Aussie Militia either, so plenty of Aussie squads....

Unless we do somthing really bad (or they do something really good) we now have a significant advantage in ground combat power in comparison to the real war.

Cheers

Rob

[aoffen]

Rob
How do you avoid updating the militia units?
Regards
Andrew

[jrcar]

Set them to not take replacements

They of course won't fill out with other stuff either.

Cheers

Rob

ORIGINAL: aoffen

Rob
How do you avoid updating the militia units?
Regards
Andrew

[aoffen]

Aaaaah. Good tip.
Thanks
Andrew

[Cribtop]

Wow, they may sue for peace soon. Earlier I said Burma is now the Thailand front. Methinks it is actually the IndoChina front. [X(]

[jrcar]

Well are discussing offering them to end the game.

For:

The Burma front is smashed open, trashing two of their divs... their ability to stop us is now marginal... but lots of hard fighting to come.

The SWPAC campaign will also be tough, but even here the writing is on the wall unless we make several major mistakes.



Against:
We would like to actually get a game into 1943 to play with new ships and aircraft.

Despite high ground losses their Navy and Airforce is intact... but I think out of position.



We have over half the Centpac forces "free", 3 Div plus, for employment. Fully rested and now preping for operation TIGER. We have enough trsnport for a two div assault force, and about another 3 div of lift (xAP).

Operation TIGER would see 3-5 div droped somewhere interesting...

Cheers

Rob

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Wow, they may sue for peace soon. Earlier I said Burma is now the Thailand front. Methinks it is actually the IndoChina front. [X(]

[CaptBeefheart]

Well done, gents. However, it seems like they still have a lot of fighting potential--the KB is intact, right? I'd hate to see this end.

Cheers,
CC

[jrcar]

Well we are continuing

20-21 Sep 1942

Subs
Several attacks in the DEI/SWPAC area, including on some tankers of Makassar. But only one bang on an xAK north of Ambon.

Burma
We are advancing from Pegu with about 3000 AV. Not sure if they are defending the intermediate hex to Moulmein or just Moulmein.

We launch a series of strikes/sweeps against Moulmein, which looks to be largley LRCAPED. Around 30 Oscar are lost, a few Tojo. We loose 10 of the new P40k, but they did great doing most of the fighting, probably 2:1 in our advantage. We hit Moulmein with B-17 but damage is light to moderate (in total).

Tony is now reorganising and will soon pull some forces back for Operation TIGER.

May try moving some shipping into Rangoon.

PI
They continue to bomb Zamboanga. Supply is low.

DEI
Nothing to report

SWPAC
KB moved EAST around Timor but did't strike Darwin, Aru or any of our shipping. It looks to have moved back towards Kendari.

Several TF are spotted moving west from around Makassar, including a CA TF.

Looks like they are going to sheild this area with KB. We are happy with that as we prepare the airforce, and prepare for Operation Tiger, and move up the Nth coats of PNG.

It also looks like they are creating a new SCTF for the Malaya/Burma area.

Lots of troops and shipping trying to unload at Madang.

SOPAC
Still moving troops around. The key ports (Rabaul, Suva) are full and are the bottleneck (as they should be!)

Centpac
Tony continue sto unload at Makin. From their we can dominate the Marshalls with airpower. But it looks like they have pulled out completely.

NORPAC
The usual, another big attack next turn.

In the Kuriles more shipping is detected protected by a strong SCTF unloading forces. This is good as it is diverting their effort to here. We have no intention now of invading, once we have kicked the enemy out of Adak forces will draw down to purely defensive levels, and Adak will be used as the forward base for the sub interdiction of the Home Islands.


Cheers

Rob