Beans, Bullets and Black Oil :: obvert (A) vs Lowpe (J)

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]SUB losses[/font]

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Pretty minor of both sides so far. The I-boats had been pretty quiet until last turn.

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[font="Times New Roman"]SINGAPORE[/font]

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A report on the base. It's Feb 1. This is taking a while for Japan. Allied strength here is growing. Supply is still being produced. Forts are increasing. Commanders have ALL been switched out for major HQ and infantry units, as well as some AA and Singers Fortress.

This is a base he has tried to work on in several ways. First through air power, suffering once the P-38s arrived to get at the sweepers and the P-40E and P-39D set up shop to hit bombers. He hasn't tried anything but sweeps here for many weeks.

The BB bombardment were hurting, but the last addition of mines by CM Abdiel proved decisive. A TF of 2 BB and 7 DDs tried for a hit and got nailed. I'll keep adding to the pile and continue the close in patrols of the 25 Dutch, USN and RN subs now here. I've also just added Dutch PT boats to the base!! Been trying to get them here for a while, and finally sneaked some in. I find PTs can really help lure ships into the mine fields.

Now if the troops experience levels have time to increase after prepping fully, this will really be a tough spot. In another month it could have 1300 AV and 5 forts. Yikes! [8D]

[ny59giants]

Each side is short on DDs in '42. This is going to hurt Jeff in long run. As Allies, the loss of the two modern American CLs hurt the most.

What has Japan gained in Oil centers? The more you can hurt him there, the shorter the war will be.

[Lokasenna]

Is this based on scenario 1, or 2? With scenario 1, he's going to be short on DDs right quick.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Each side is short on DDs in '42. This is going to hurt Jeff in long run. As Allies, the loss of the two modern American CLs hurt the most.

What has Japan gained in Oil centers? The more you can hurt him there, the shorter the war will be.

He doesn't have is Magwe, which should auto-flip very soon. I plan to bomb it ASAP.

In addition, he has lost 98 from Djambi, about another 109 from Palembang. I think 59 from Balikpapan and 27 from Samarinda. He's lost all 30 from Shikuka, and may still lose the base. From Rashin 4 have been hit, and I think some also at Yamagata and Asahikawa.

He hasn't taken Medan yet, Tarakan or Babo and Boela.

[Bif1961]

Your losses will be made good in 43-45 his never will be especially CAs. He is in serious trouble with his escorts and it is only Feb 42.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Is this based on scenario 1, or 2? With scenario 1, he's going to be short on DDs right quick.

This is based on Scen 1.

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 1, 1942[/font]

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Ok. So I have the next replay and CR. Still won't report on everything until I see the run, but it looks like the CVs get out of the major area of danger around Hokkaido. He does spot them, but I sent in a bombardment using the Soviet DDs at what seemed his biggest field in range, Bihoro. The red lines of previous attacks showed that this was the origination point for the Nettie strike. I wish I had some more of these!! (Although it's good I don't have to pronounce their names anytime soon!) [:)]

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 1, 42
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Night Naval bombardment of Bihoro at 123,51

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 29 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 6 damaged
L3Y2 Tina: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Raziashchij
DD Rekordnyj
DD Revnostnyj
DD Reshitelnyj
DD Rastoropnyj
DD Ryanyj

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2

DD Raziashchij firing at Bihoro
DD Rekordnyj firing at Bihoro
DD Revnostnyj firing at Bihoro
DD Reshitelnyj firing at Bihoro
DD Rastoropnyj firing at Bihoro
DD Ryanyj firing at Bihoro

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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 1, 1942[/font]

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He spotted us close to Etorofu in the night, and out here during the day. I tried to head in a direction I thought would not be the most likely. Also, there is fuel unloading at Petropavlovsk that I may need after a flank run. [:)]

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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 1, 1942[/font]

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In another interesting development, the IJA tanks do not attack at Kiuchuan out in Western China. There are two units installed there now. About 80 of our bombers fly and can't get a single hit. I'm hoping his supply is at least being stretched by these guys. I flew at 2k but the bombers are using only half loads so I'll move them up tomorrow and try again. All bases have adequate supply they're flying from. Gotta hit the tanks!!

[BBfanboy]

Chinese bombers use 250 lb bombs which have little effect on tanks. But having fighters with small bombs and 12.7mm MGs attacking at 1000 feet seems to knock out IJA tanks pretty good.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Chinese bombers use 250 lb bombs which have little effect on tanks. But having fighters with small bombs and 12.7mm MGs attacking at 1000 feet seems to knock out IJA tanks pretty good.

Thanks. Made me look up some stuff here. I never considered that the bombs weren't big enough! [X(]

As it turns out both the 250lb GP bomb and the 100kg GP bomb should work against two of the likely IJA tank models currently in use, but not against the other two (or future models). The 1000lb SAP/GP bombs used by the Banshees will work just fine.

Last turn a Blenheim did get a hit and destroyed a "vehicle" outright. This could just be a motorised support, but that's fine too. Motorised support have no armor value and destroying or disabling them will still hurt the unit and raise disruption. Killing tanks is better, but I'll take anything here.

There are no fighters with 50cal guns with the available range to hit these guys right now, so it'll have to be what's there. Hopefully no thunderstorms tomorrow.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: obvert
Also, there is fuel unloading at Petropavlovsk that I may need after a flank run. [:)]

You won't be able to refuel US TF directly from Soviet port. Do it either via replenishment TFs or ship bunkers.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: obvert
Also, there is fuel unloading at Petropavlovsk that I may need after a flank run. [:)]

You won't be able to refuel US TF directly from Soviet port. Do it either via replenishment TFs or ship bunkers.

I wasn't sure but thanks, I'll use the ships delivering it then. That should still work.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Chinese bombers use 250 lb bombs which have little effect on tanks. But having fighters with small bombs and 12.7mm MGs attacking at 1000 feet seems to knock out IJA tanks pretty good.

Thanks. Made me look up some stuff here. I never considered that the bombs weren't big enough! [X(]

As it turns out both the 250lb GP bomb and the 100kg GP bomb should work against two of the likely IJA tank models currently in use, but not against the other two (or future models). The 1000lb SAP/GP bombs used by the Banshees will work just fine.

Last turn a Blenheim did get a hit and destroyed a "vehicle" outright. This could just be a motorised support, but that's fine too. Motorised support have no armor value and destroying or disabling them will still hurt the unit and raise disruption. Killing tanks is better, but I'll take anything here.

There are no fighters with 50cal guns with the available range to hit these guys right now, so it'll have to be what's there. Hopefully no thunderstorms tomorrow.

I always took it as the improbability of a direct hit on a tank + the small size of the bomb that made them ineffective. 500 lb bombs seem to cause more disablements and 1000 lb bombs get the occasional kill. At least that is what I seem to have seen - bearing in mind that confirmation bias is a thing! [;)]

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[font="Times New Roman"]Feb 1, 1942[/font]

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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Soviet sub was sighted by escorts of BB Hyuga and CA Myoko near the HI. More subs restoring in.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]DEI: [/font] Lightnings take out another 6-8 zeros and open the door for the 4Es to bomb Djambi. Only 8 4Es fly and we lose one B-17D. They get 2 oil hits though, so it's worth it. Everything will stand down tomorrow.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]PACIFIC: [/font]

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font]Hurris keep on at Hong Kong. They get a 2:1 sweep against Oscars, zeros and Nates. I'll have to rest them for a few now.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SOVIETS:[/font] The CVs get most of the way up the Kuriles after the Soviets plastered Bihoro. No strikes.

This is a big turn where the Soviet tanks cut the rail at Mishan. Another several divisions and lots of arty are coming in the next few days. I'll bombard to see what we have here. I see movement arrows from Koutou so I'm guessing he's trying to rail back, which means I have to both be careful until I know what's coming and also want to hit them while they're in strat mode if the do move. [;)]

Got a few more fires going at Mukden. No recon so I can't see if they're doing anything though.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SIGINT:[/font] This is interesting. A piece of a bare bones garrison unit at Seisin, the base next to Rashin. Not much to deal with. I'll have to see what others are there.

[font="Trebuchet MS"]1st Manchukuo Distr/ Division is located at Seishin(109,46).[/font]
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 1, 42
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Morning Air attack on Hong Kong , at 77,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
Ki-27b Nate x 7
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hurricane IIa Trop sweeping at 22000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Djambi , at 48,88

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P-38E Lightning sweeping at 27000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Djambi , at 48,88

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 2 damaged

Oil hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x LB-30 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Another decent day in the air, but quiet.[/font]

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[obvert]

Itching to get this turn and get moving to the next replay. Jeff hasn't sent it back yet.

This will be a true test of the Soviet troops at Mishan. There is a good IJA division there and possibly more on the way. We'll know more when we see the recon results. The Soviets will attack either way, and there will be massive bombing raids beforehand. This is the time to use them.

Went through the opponents there. Nothing too surprising. The AA is weak so I might drop bombers to 6k. Only 12 x 75mm/40 T88.

The Soviets are all less experienced by about 15-20 points, so that could be trouble if a lot more rails in. The mode should make it difficult for him though if that happens.

[obvert]

Also ... just looked up the units in the Western deserts of China. Those two tank units both have the Type 95 light and Type 89A mediums. So they will all be vulnerable to both 100kg GP and 250lb GP bombs. [:)]

He also bought out one of those units to send to China rather than keeping it in Manchuria. Probably before Soviet activation. Curious what else was sent out early.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: obvert
Curious what else was sent out early.

What are the chances for anything else other than first all available Kwantung tanks, then all available arty starting with the heaviest? Japan did not have PPs to complete stage 2 and start buyig out infantry or engineers I guess.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: obvert
Curious what else was sent out early.

What are the chances for anything else other than first all available Kwantung tanks, then all available arty starting with the heaviest? Japan did not have PPs to complete stage 2 and start buyig out infantry or engineers I guess.

Some heavy arty are incredibly cheap so those are what I move almost immediately. Same with combat engineers. Those and the recon regiments,combat engineers and tanks. If he moved any pars of uncombined divisions it could be a problem for him.