Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[stilesw]

Possible addition to the 3K: Croatia Omis-class Inshore Patrol Craft.

Logged for evaluation.

-WS

[IrvingMainway]

ORIGINAL: stilesw
The GBU-54s are already equipped with Laser Spot Tracker (LGB)sensors. Use is handled by the simulations AI code.

-WS

only #2259 GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [Mk82] -- USAF, 2008
has the Laser spot tracker which is missing from the following

#3213 GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [MPR-500 Penetrator] -- Israel, 2012
#2260 GBU-54(V)2/B LJDAM [Mk82] -- USN, 2012
#3101 GBU-54(V)3/B LJDAM [BLU-126/B LCDB] -- USAF
#3102 GBU-54(V)4/B LJDAM [BLU-126/B LCDB] -- USN

along with

#3394 GBU-56(V)2/B LJDAM [Mk 84] -- USN, 2018
#3393 GBU-56(V)4/B LJDAM [BLU-109A/B] -- USN, 2018

^ are set for either Inertial only or INS + GPS with no LST listed

also

#1689 GBU-12F/B Paveway II DMLGB [Mk 82] -- 2014
seems to be laser guided only when it should also include GPS

[stilesw]

ROKAF FA-50 will upgrade the capability of the Link-16.

Logged.

-WS

[stilesw]

only #2259 GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [Mk82] -- USAF, 2008
has the Laser spot tracker which is missing from the following

#3213 GBU-54(V)1/B LJDAM [MPR-500 Penetrator] -- Israel, 2012
#2260 GBU-54(V)2/B LJDAM [Mk82] -- USN, 2012
#3101 GBU-54(V)3/B LJDAM [BLU-126/B LCDB] -- USAF
#3102 GBU-54(V)4/B LJDAM [BLU-126/B LCDB] -- USN

along with

#3394 GBU-56(V)2/B LJDAM [Mk 84] -- USN, 2018
#3393 GBU-56(V)4/B LJDAM [BLU-109A/B] -- USN, 2018

^ are set for either Inertial only or INS + GPS with no LST listed
Just checked again and all of the above weapons have Laser Spot Trackers. Are you sure you are using DB3K_482?

also

#1689 GBU-12F/B Paveway II DMLGB [Mk 82] -- 2014
seems to be laser guided only when it should also include GPS
This unit also has a laser spot tracker but, you are correct it is missing GPS navigation. It has been added for the next DB release.

[IrvingMainway]

ORIGINAL: stilesw

Just checked again and all of the above weapons have Laser Spot Trackers. Are you sure you are using DB3K_482?

Yeah that will do it, thanks for the help.

[IrvingMainway]

2797 HMCS Harry DeWolfe (Canada, Coast Guard) 2018
Won't enter service until 2020 and will be RCN. The Coast-Guard variant of this class should be unarmed and won't enter service until some time after 2023.

I have a few more too but for some reason the forum thinks I am trying to post links and does not allow me to post.

665 A-6E Intruder United States (Navy), 1991
These were the first aircraft to use the AGM-84E SLAM during Desert Storm but are not currently equipped to do so.

9 S-3B Viking United States (Navy), 1990
These carried the ADM-141A TALD in Desert Storm which are currently missing.

HH-53B, HH-53C Super Jolly and MH-53H Pavelow II are not present in DB 3000.

[Tailhook]

ORIGINAL: stilesw

Anti-ship versions of the AS-17 Krypton [KH-31A and AD] (Weapons #1308 and #1309) are missing from a number of assets that should include them.

Aaron,
Logged for update in next release.
-WS

Addendum: I just checked the aircraft you mentioned and they all currently have the "AS-17 Krypton C" as an existing loadout. It would seem redundant to add the older A and B models. If you have some enhanced information please let me know.

-WS

The Krypton C is an ARM with no active radar seeker or way of targeting a non-emitting target. The variants I’m requesting are dedicated anti ship weapons with radar seekers. They’re already in game, just need to be added to the platforms.

[KLAB]

Issues with the KRYPTON KH-31 loads.

For consideration in the long term please?

Change the:

#1308 - AS-17 Krypton B [Kh-31AD, ASM] to the #1308 - AS-17 Krypton E[Kh-31AD, ASM] to reflect its much later production date and updated status.

This would be chronologically and alphabetically logical.
The Krypton B designation would effectively become spare but in the DB3k 481 there are currently no users of it in any load out and it could be used for a new weapon entry for the Kh-31PK?.

Rename the existing Krypton E as its not used anyway!

#1231 - AS-17 Krypton E [AAM] to #1231 - AS-17 Krypton [R-31P AAM]

As the AAM version probably never existed and is not used by any load out in the DB3k it could effectively be made redundant?
Copp states "During the 1990s there were persistent claims that the airframe was being adapted for use as a long range AAM with a Counter-ISR role, as an “AWACS-killer”, with the designation R-31P"
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-ASM ... ocId784856

However in 2004 the Tactical Missiles Corporation "emphatically denied" that it had ever worked on an air-to-air version of the Kh-31. According to Jane's Air Launched Weapons.
*Kh-31 (AS-17) (Russian Federation), Air-to-air Missiles - Beyond Visual Range", Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, 2004-11-18, retrieved 2009-01-27.

Krypton's NATO codename appears to be the root of the load out confusion issue, as the Krypton B/C versions are not listed chronologically in terms of production dates,
and the so called Krypton E AAM has never existed as an operational weapon.

It has impacted on all the load outs.

To explain:

In DB3K 481; I have listed the Kryptons in rough date order of production:

#1309 - AS-17 Krypton A [Kh-31A, ASM] - OK all good.

#276 - AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM] - This is a bit of an issue as the Kh-31P is the initial ARM variant of the kH-31 and appeared in roughly the same timeframe as the ASM so logically it should be Krypton B.

#1308 - AS-17 Krypton B [Kh-31AD, ASM] - This should logically be the Krypton C ? but that will really complicate the amendments to the DB, so renaming it Krypton E has some merit!
Kh-31AD production didn't start until about 2012/2013 by all accounts.
Importantly it currently has no users in the DB3K 481 load outs despite the fact its probably the default supersonic ASM for the latest RuAF models.

#1307 - AS-17 Krypton D [Kh-31PD, ARM] - This appears to have the correct Krypton D tag as its the latest post 2012 version of the ARM and is alphabetically and chronologically logical.


Kh-31A In service circa 1988/89 http://www.tmkb-soyuz.ru/88
Kh-31P Passed state tests circa 1988-89 http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avz/x31p.html
Kh-31PK Revised warhead with proximity fuze and cluster warhead. Circa 2009. http://www.eng.ktrv.ru/production/milit ... -31pk.html
Kh-31AD is the anti ship upgrade with a longer range. In production 2012.
KH-31PD ARM is the 250km plus ARM with a revised digital sensor and can be reprogrammed for multiple threat emitters in flight - Krypton D. In production 2013.

The error with the omission of any Kh-31AD "Krypton B" load outs has warped load outs for all the later VKS RuAF fighters;

#4741 - Su-35S Flanker E (Russia [1992-] - 2020)
For example the Su-35S loads include:

Krypton D Kh-31PD ARM but also the older Krypton "C" Kh-31P ARM.
But it doesn't have any load for the Kh-31AD "Krypton B" (Sic) new ASM.
So it has two ARM load outs but not the newer supersonic ASM.

Also latest:
#2232 - Su-57 Felon (Russia [1992-] - 2016)

#3723 - Su-34 Fullback (Russia [1992-] - 2015)

#3819 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2013)

#4582 - Su-30SM Flanker G (Russia [1992-] - 2015)


All the above have loads for the old Kh-31P ARM not the new Kh-31PD ARM or new Kh-31AD ASM.

Editing wise I don't know if its possible to amend the Krypton B to be the Krytpon E, then amend the text for the loads and swap Kh-31AD Krypton ASM weapon records to replace the old Kh-31P ARM load outs?

Appreciate its in the realms of a lot of unpicking but these are significant aircraft types.

Thanks
K

ORIGINAL: Tailhook

ORIGINAL: stilesw

Anti-ship versions of the AS-17 Krypton [KH-31A and AD] (Weapons #1308 and #1309) are missing from a number of assets that should include them.

Aaron,
Logged for update in next release.
-WS

Addendum: I just checked the aircraft you mentioned and they all currently have the "AS-17 Krypton C" as an existing loadout. It would seem redundant to add the older A and B models. If you have some enhanced information please let me know.

-WS

The Krypton C is an ARM with no active radar seeker or way of targeting a non-emitting target. The variants I’m requesting are dedicated anti ship weapons with radar seekers. They’re already in game, just need to be added to the platforms.

[KLAB]

http://www.ato.ru/content/new-kh-31-var ... ?sea=27246

This article indicates Kh-31 AD and PD not even entering production until circa 2011 so Krypton B for KH-31AD seems an anomaly? The NATO designation precedes the existence of the missile?
K
KTRV ARM:
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_ ... _missiles/
KTRV Anti ship:
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_ ... _missiles/

[Venom63]

First launch for the CAMM-ER, long range version od the CAMM
https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/camm-er/
https://www.portaledifesa.it/index~phpp ... ,3354.html
https://www.startmag.it/wp-content/uploads/camm_er.pdf

the CAMM-ER is forecaste for the Italian Navy on the PPA (2 missile canister pack in Sylver launcher) and for replacement of Spada battery from 2024 The Italian Army will combine the CAMM_ER with the rheinmetall X-TAR 3D operating x band, and the Italian air force will use with the Leonardo Krononos Land radar, planned and founded 3 batteery for the airforce and 9 for the army
https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/products/kronos-land
https://www.startmag.it/innovazione/olt ... a-camm-er/
https://www.laran.it/wp-content/uploads ... ississ.pdf

[dpabrams]

RE: DB v483

#3251 Armored Plt (M60A5 Patton MBT x 4) (US-1975) M60A5 should say "M48A5"

[dpabrams]

Not sure if they made the cut for v483

"WEAPON" #686- 120mm HEAT M256 (pic and description of MIM-23 HAWK)
"WEAPON" #688- 120mm M256 APFSDS-T (pic and description of MIM-23 HAWK)
"WEAPON" #685- 120mm M256 HE (pic and description of MIM-23 HAWK)
"WEAPON" #691- 105mm M68A1HE (pic and description of MIM-23 HAWK)

[dpabrams]

#3252 - Mech Inf Plt (M901 ITV x 4) (US-1978) Added and thank you. However, in game it is a section with 2 vehicles that each have 50 missiles. It should be 4 x vehicles with 10x BGM-71C or D/E models for a total of 40 missiles per platoon.

[stilesw]

#3251 Armored Plt (M60A5 Patton MBT x 4) (US-1975) M60A5 should say "M48A5"

Logged.
-WS

[stilesw]

#3252 - Mech Inf Plt (M901 ITV x 4) (US-1978) Added and thank you. However, in game it is a section with 2 vehicles that each have 50 missiles. It should be 4 x vehicles with 10x BGM-71C or D/E models for a total of 40 missiles per platoon.

Logged.
-WS

[serjames]

ORIGINAL: serjames

It may have been added in yesterday's update, but if not, please can you add the now in-service Sky Sabre system? (Land Ceptor)

#BlatantWikiCopyIncoming

Land
On the land domain, CAMM is known as Land Ceptor by the British Army and the whole land-based air defence system is known as Sky Sabre.[25] This application has over three-times the range of its predecessor Rapier, it is able to intercept the most challenging targets in all-weather conditions[26]

Current Operators
United Kingdom
Royal Navy - Sea Ceptor was officially declared "In Service" with the Royal Navy in May 2018, and is currently equipped on some of Britain's Type 23 fleet, including HMS Argyll.

Future operators
Brazil
Brazilian Navy - CAMM selected to equip new Tamandaré class frigates.[18]
Brazilian Marine Corps: AV-MMA, a CAMM variant, will equip an anti-aircraft version of the Astros II MLRS.[31]
Chile
Chilean Navy - Selected to replace Sea Wolf on the current Type 23 frigates [32]
Italy
Italian Army - CAMM-ER selected to replace Skyguard (Aspide missiles) batteries with PCMI/X-TAR 3D
Italian Air Force - CAMM-ER selected to replace SPADA (Aspide missiles) batteries with MAADS/Kronos LND
Italian Navy - CAMM-ER to replace Aster 15 missiles.
New Zealand
Royal New Zealand Navy - Selected for ANZAC frigate upgrade.[16]

United Kingdom
British Army - Sky Sabre selected to replace Rapier.[33]
Royal Navy - Sea Ceptor selected to replace Sea Wolf on the current Type 23 frigates and fitted to the Type 26 frigates entering service from 2026.[34][35]


https://des.mod.uk/british-army-land-ceptor-firings/

https://www.mbda-systems.com/press-rele ... -unveiled/

https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/camm/


Note the ER variant below. Not sure of the service state of this / perhaps it's a hypothetical version. As I'm sure it will end up being standard if it offers greater range


https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/camm-er/

Thanks Chaps

not sure if this was missed ? Cheers

[KLAB]

Some ideas on Yak-130's in the long term:

For consideration as the Mitten seems to be doing quite well on the exports front especially with countries likely to use them for dropping stuff:

#3952 - Yak-130 Mitten (Russia [1992-] - 2010)
Almost certainly doesn't have the Oca radar it currently has in the DB3k-483
The images from the VKS RuAF all show the basic non radar version in service primarily as an advance trainer.
The radar equipped version is a concept light fighter and attack aircraft which is not in service or production. Dubbed the Yakovlev Yak-131.

It is also doubtful if the KAB-500Kr is a weapon the Yak-130 is used with in VKS/RuAF service even if it is capable of it, that's my opinion based on the lack of operational aircraft seen with the weapon.

The FAB-250/500 OFAB RBK dumb bombs e.t.c and S-13/S-8 e.t.c rocket loads are generically suitable for all the exported Yaks as below:

Plus Yak-130's can use the SNPU-130 pod twin 23mm gun pack on the centreline and several of the exported ones have been seen with it.
So the GSh-23L 23 mm automatic cannon - #1800 - 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]could be added to the load outs.

#3953 - Yak-130 Mitten (Algeria - 2015) (And was probably in service in about 2012 as the first deliveries were in November 2011)
Algerian Yak's certainly have air to ground weaponry, have flare and chaff dispensers and a SNPU-130 pod 23mm gun pack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU6N41jrwHg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/karim23185/7432828140/
https://www.ruaviation.com/news/2011/11/29/648/?h
Plus the (non radar equipped) Yak-130 with air to ground weaponry would be a useful addition for the following, almost all the images show the aircraft with pylons and for these air forces I doubt they have the luxury of jets just for training:

Belarus. Has at least 8 and counting since 2015.
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9078441
https://defence-blog.com/news/belarus-r ... craft.html.

Bangladesh. The BAF did have 16 but now has 15,they entered service in 2015.
https://defpost.com/bangladesh-air-forc ... r-crashes/

Laos. Has at least 4. "The aircraft arrived at the Vientiane air force station aboard Russian Il-76TD strategic airlifters in December 2018"
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... t-trainers

Mynamar.
https://asian-defence-news.blogspot.com ... 0.html?m=0
http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/5dee ... us-weapons

The number of Yak 130 ordered by Myanmar is not known, the initial contract for the first 3 units was signed in June 2015.

Vietnam Latest customer with 12 for Vietnam, contract signed in 2020.
https://www.meta-defense.fr/en/2020/01/ ... om-moscow/ .
https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/artic ... zaklyuchil

https://youtu.be/MUHFVPE_wBE

Thanks very much for the latest updates and patience with the relentless requests and amendments.

K

[KLAB]

https://armyrecognition.com/october_201 ... _2018.html

Addendum?

Pantsir SM Has been added to the 483 DB3K with the 57E6-ER missile as a new weapon but the ER versions is identical in range to the standard 57E6 version i.e 10 Nm range.

By all accounts the ER has a 40km/21.5 nm range and the FCR has double the acquisition range.
Thanks
K

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[stilesw]

Pantsir SM Has been added to the 483 DB3K with the 57E6-ER missile as a new weapon but the ER versions is identical in range to the standard 57E6 version i.e 10 Nm range.

By all accounts the ER has a 40km/21.5 nm range and the FCR has double the acquisition range.

Logged.
-WS

[Blast33]

Could the Spike-ER missile be added to the Israel AH-64D Saraf?
Probably two missiles per wing.

Source: https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishing.com/2017/06/07/israel-shows-off-spike-on-apache/



Recent photos of an Israeli Air Force (IAF) AH-64D equipped for the carriage of Rafael Spike missiles show that the indigenous precision-attack system is operational on the air arm’s attack helicopters.

The photographs, taken by an AFM correspondent, have been cleared by the Israel Defense Forces censor, demonstrating that the Spike is now officially considered part of the Israeli AH-64D armoury.

The missiles’ twin launcher is mounted on the right stub wing of AH-64D Saraf 743.

The weapons carried may well be the Spike NLOS (Non Line Of Sight) that has already been integrated on several rotary-wing platforms, including the AW159 Wildcat helicopter for the Republic of Korea. This electro-optically guided weapon has a range of around 15.5 miles (25km).

Saraf background

The latest AH-64D-I Saraf was built according to Israeli requirements, and externally resembles the Apache Longbow. However, thanks to the installation of Israeli-made avionics, its capabilities are greatly enhanced. Apart from weapons, Israeli systems integrated in the Saraf include an Elta communications suite, Elbit mission management system, Rafael Combat Net system and Elisra self-protection suite.

The history of the Saraf began in December 2000, when the Israeli government signed an agreement with the US Department of Defense to acquire nine AH-64D-Is, one of which was converted from an existing IAF AH-64A Peten. The cost of the programme, including helicopters, weapons, spare parts, training and support was estimated at around $500m. Subsequently, contracts were signed to bring another 12 AH-64As up to AH-64D-I standard. Arrangements were made to allow Boeing to modify the helicopters, introducing specific equipment requests from Israel. The Saraf entered service in April 2005 and now the IAF has somewhat fewer than 20 AH-64D-Is.

The operating unit is 113 ‘Hornet’ Squadron based at Ramon.