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The developer should've stayed out the price argument...his curt "we're happy with sales and the price will not be falling" statement was an "in yer face" comment and just made me dig my heals in


He's explaining to you that retailers generally do not discount products that are already selling well.


I'm with Judge on this one.. I was on the fence, even though I had not yet paid 80 for a game yet.. but the reviews were so good.. but the 'smug' way that comment was made.. That shut the door for me.. I don't even think of buying now.. maybe two years from now if it's reasonable during the Xmas sale.. but now.. no interest

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The developer should've stayed out the price argument...his curt "we're happy with sales and the price will not be falling" statement was an "in yer face" comment and just made me dig my heals in


He's explaining to you that retailers generally do not discount products that are already selling well.

Not true, ever been to a grocery store?
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In retail when something new comes out we put it on sale. then take if off sale after awhile and then by word of mouth people end up buying it. I have no problems with Matrix games, their customer service is outstanding and for that alone I'm a life long member. I would pay $80 for some games but not this game.
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As long as Matrix Games continues to offer what I consider the best customer service in the industry, I will continue to make all of my wargame purchases from them, even though I could find them cheaper somewhere else. Their willingness to host this forum is another reason to remain loyal to Matrix Games.
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Their willingness to host this forum is another reason to remain loyal to Matrix Games.

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Their willingness to host this forum is another reason to remain loyal to Matrix Games.

Are you serious?

I whole-heartedly concur with Slick Wilhelm.
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Their willingness to host this forum is another reason to remain loyal to Matrix Games.

Are you serious?

Well, not very often...but in this case, yes. Do you think it's cost-free and time-free to maintain a forum like this? I hardly think so. This is the only forum where I'm a "regular", and I appreciate that Matrix Games provides a place for us to discuss wargames.
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Let us not forget the time Erik has to spend baby-sitting us. There again what better way could he have to spend those "extra" hours?[:)][:)][:)]
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Let us not forget the time Erik has to spend baby-sitting us. There again what better way could he have to spend those "extra" hours?[:)][:)][:)]

You mean when he's not sitting in his pile of gold and silver like Donald Ducks grandpa tossing it over his head over and over screaming "I'm Rish!", "I'm Rish!", I'm Rish!"
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Let us not forget the time Erik has to spend baby-sitting us. There again what better way could he have to spend those "extra" hours?[:)][:)][:)]

You mean when he's not sitting in his pile of gold and silver like Donald Ducks grandpa tossing it over his head over and over screaming "I'm Rish!", "I'm Rish!", I'm Rish!"

Its Scrooge McDuck man,.............

Now about the BftB game and its price, and the greed that causes games to be overcharged for. I will NEVER pay $80 for a game that is the same as many other games out there. I will pay $80 for a game thats unique,...and BftB is far from unique. Is it a good game? yeah, but thats no reason to charge extra. Is it polished? yes, but again that should be the standard,...not something you charge extra for. Is there anything that really warrants a price tag of $80? Judging from the demo,...no,...not at all.

WitP is a game that is worth extra money, its a unique game, that you arent going to find anywhere else. BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.
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BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.

Oh are you ever going to catch flak for that statement.
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BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.
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BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.

Oh are you ever going to catch flak for that statement.


Point out one thing in the demo that hasnt been done before.................

Dont get me wrong,...it appears to be very solid, very polished,...but there is nothing groundbreaking about it.
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The developer should've stayed out the price argument...his curt "we're happy with sales and the price will not be falling" statement was an "in yer face" comment and just made me dig my heals in


He's explaining to you that retailers generally do not discount products that are already selling well.


I'm with Judge on this one.. I was on the fence, even though I had not yet paid 80 for a game yet.. but the reviews were so good.. but the 'smug' way that comment was made.. That shut the door for me.. I don't even think of buying now.. maybe two years from now if it's reasonable during the Xmas sale.. but now.. no interest


Well, it never bothered me. I happen to like the guy, (what little I know about him) and I honestly appreciate that he spends time in here in the GD forum now and then to see what's being discussed. I feel he got a rough handling from some of the forum dwellers and I wish I could apologize for the behaviors. I can't of course but I wish I could.

If the game does not present itself as a good value to you, don't buy it. Whining about the pricing, (or the dev's comments about pricing) as if it's some sort of personal attack just looks pathetic to me.


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BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.

Oh are you ever going to catch flak for that statement.


Point out one thing in the demo that hasnt been done before.................

Dont get me wrong,...it appears to be very solid, very polished,...but there is nothing groundbreaking about it.
Wrong genre. It's not an RTS. It lacks base building, health bars, unit building, and similar anti-realistic gimmicks that characterise the RTS genre. If anything, it's an RTW, but I would rather call it a Continuous Time Wargame as it doesn't have to be played in real time, it can also be played in accelerated time which has a big influence on gameplay.

Anyway, could you point me to countless games similar to what Panther Games make?
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Let us not forget the time Erik has to spend baby-sitting us. There again what better way could he have to spend those "extra" hours?[:)][:)][:)]

You mean when he's not sitting in his pile of gold and silver like Donald Ducks grandpa tossing it over his head over and over screaming "I'm Rish!", "I'm Rish!", I'm Rish!"

Its Scrooge McDuck man,.............

Now about the BftB game and its price, and the greed that causes games to be overcharged for. I will NEVER pay $80 for a game that is the same as many other games out there. I will pay $80 for a game thats unique,...and BftB is far from unique. Is it a good game? yeah, but thats no reason to charge extra. Is it polished? yes, but again that should be the standard,...not something you charge extra for. Is there anything that really warrants a price tag of $80? Judging from the demo,...no,...not at all.

WitP is a game that is worth extra money, its a unique game, that you arent going to find anywhere else. BftB is just another RTS game among countless other RTS games.


"WitP is a game that is worth extra money, its a unique game, that you arent going to find anywhere else."

Priceless. WitP is also likely the most anal computer wargame ever made as well. Likely only capable of being compared with ASL Advanced Squad Leader for magnitude level of omg anal levels of detail only the truly obsessed could want.

I own both games by the way, so it's not like I am just saying things I can't know.
I also own BftB and consider it a great deal more playable than WitP will ever manage to be.

I suspect if given a chance, I'd rather I was never hooked on ASL and also never bought WitP. Great designs to be sure, just not overly playable ones. Nauseating sums of detail that with some effort might have been rendered likely more playable if not for how some of wargaming value mind numbing detail over all at the price of everything else too.

WitP is no more worth the 80 bucks I spent than BftB was. Both cost me 80 bucks, one is likely going to remain mostly unplayed for being more in line with just wanting something I know will be brutally accurate, should I ever have virtually nothing else to do and no life so I could spend the required incredible sums of time needed to play it.

If you look over at Gamesquad, home of the largest density I can think of of ASLer, you will also find, that like WitP, they too likely scorn anything non ASL, and can't fathom while anyone would want to play anything else, not that the day is long enough for them to actually think there is time enough for anything else.

I also don't seem to play my ASL as much as I would like.

Is BftB worth 80 bucks?

Well let's just say that a great many shitty 40 something wargames from numerous other companies likely were not worth 40 bucks or 40 cents. They were not worth 40 bucks and they were not worth 20 bucks and they were not worth 9.99 either. Which might explain why they were in the bargain bin where often all you get is garbage.

So when you DO find a decent game for 40 bucks, rejoice, be happy. Because it likely was worth more too. But IT was the fluke, not the 80 dollar wargame.
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The real question is 'Is it worth $80 TO ME?" For me, the answer is no,......I dont like RTS games whether they have base building and resources or not.
But to people that like RTS games, I would be willing to bet the game would be worth $80 to them. I have said for a long time that I do not mind paying more for quality (cough cough), but no matter how good the game is there is nothing there to draw ME in. I checked it out to see if there was something new that might make me like it a little more than any other RTS, but there wasnt.
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