John Tiller's "PANZER BATTLES"

[gradenko2k]

ORIGINAL: mgarnett

Out of interest, and I'm not trolling here, are there any instances of a company going "belly-up" that had games requiring internet activation that can no longer be activated (i am only really interested in wargames but any genre examples would be good)?

The way I see it, you have two choices, don't buy the games because of what "might" happen (but may never happen) and deprive yourself of the enjoymeny or, buy the games knowing the risk but you consider it acceptable. Either way is just as "right" as the other.

I for one, take the enjoyment approach and buy the games knowing the risks.

Cheers

Mark

Games For Windows Live is going kaput this year. Some games, notably the Batman Arkham series, that use it as a platform have been patched to disassociate themselves from it. Other games, notably Dark Souls, have not been patched.

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/17/games ... ort-of-ga/

[Titanwarrior89]

And yaw wonder how ww1 started(see other thread).  Some post in this thread kinds sums the other thread up.[;)]

[z1812]

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

ORIGINAL: z1812

ORIGINAL: sterckxe



... and I'm still not buying DRM-chained games [:'(]

The older I get, the lesser my tolerance for this licensing crap. The things people put up with simply amazes me.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Why not just let people do what they wish and discuss a game without lamenting about the same old DRM issues. If you feel you must discuss it start up a specific thread. This discussion is already old and very boring. People want to discuss Panzer Battles not your likes and dislikes about DRM.

The DRM is a part of Panzer Battles, so he's discussing Panzer Battles.

There is no discussion. It is simply " I don't like DRM, " over and over again. The point is made. He won't buy the game because of it. Fine. Move on!

[wodin]

No. It's a competitor to John Tillers Campaign Series.

FCRS turn mechanic makes i a totally different beast altogether.

As for DRM. I'm pretty certain it's why HPS and JT went different ways.

ORIGINAL: KEYSTONE07950

Does the scale of Panzer Battles make it a direct competitor for Flashpoint Campaigns?

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

ORIGINAL: mgarnett

Out of interest, and I'm not trolling here, are there any instances of a company going "belly-up" that had games requiring internet activation that can no longer be activated (i am only really interested in wargames but any genre examples would be good)?

The way I see it, you have two choices, don't buy the games because of what "might" happen (but may never happen) and deprive yourself of the enjoymeny or, buy the games knowing the risk but you consider it acceptable. Either way is just as "right" as the other.

I for one, take the enjoyment approach and buy the games knowing the risks.

Cheers

Mark

Games For Windows Live is going kaput this year. Some games, notably the Batman Arkham series, that use it as a platform have been patched to disassociate themselves from it. Other games, notably Dark Souls, have not been patched.

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/17/games ... ort-of-ga/

Yeah that Warhammer series that I had bought the whole set of can no longer be played or started up online. Someone did show me a way to get it to run offline but I've since forgotten. I think Games for Windows Live had that series. It's the main reason I hate buying digital games anymore. You have no guarentees or ownership really of a digital games. At least with physical purchases and no online DRM you do. I still buy most of my stuff from Amazon or Ebay. But it's getting thinner and thinner with choices. Finding a wargame nowadays is next to impossible. But there is NWSonline on Ebay that sells physical copies of HPS games without charging you an arm and a leg for shipping and processing like Matrixgames and Slitherine do. There's some other shop name on Amazon that sells HPS games also and the shipping is very reasonable. Between the two of them I get most of what I want. NWSonline used to have good deals and shipping of Matrixgames games, but, last time I was there I noticed they had all been removed. Why is that Matrixgames/Slitherine? Why did you stop doing business with Chris?

Then a couple of years ago GOG went down and you couldn't get access to your games on there for a few weeks. They since came back up, but it was scary by any means all those games I had bought there no longer available.

Direct 2 Drive was a site that actually went belly up and sold out to GameFly. Well I don't like gamefly and I had to get that client to be able to play the games I bought from Direct2Drive. I didn't lose anything it was just the principle that I had to install an intrusive client to play games I had bought from Direct2Drive.

Paradox was selling Crusader Kings II on Gamersgate. They lured us in with that chit and then dropped support of the game on that site. We were FORCED to install STEAM if we wanted future updates and patches. This isn't right, isn't right at all.l We need some (politics sorry) on this chit. Software developers and publishers have been getting away with this crap for far too long. Just bring back refunds if something like this happens and I'll be a happy camper. If you sell me something and then a few weeks later tell me you aren't going to support it or fix it you'd be tarred and feathered where I live. At least give me the opportunity for a refund when this happens.

Same thing happened when Battlefront stopped supporting the Paradox version of Combat Mission SF. I had to pay to get them to update it to the Battlefront version. I was already pissed at them for charging me $5 each for patches for CMAK and CMBB to run on vista.

Matrixgames/Slitherine is the only site I've gotten satisfaction from when I had a game issue or other issue. They don't always do it but they will give refunds if there are extinuating circumstanes. Like the game just plain won't run on your machine. Of course they haven't gone bellyup so can't really say what they would do. But, the majority of their games don't have DRM the way it is in Steam or other sites. They still use old school. Cd key and just backup your setup.exe and you'll have the game for life. I mean how many pirates are gonna steal wargames anyways? Nobody plays them but us nuts. [:D]

[sterckxe]

ORIGINAL: z1812

ORIGINAL: sterckxe

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
That post was two and a half years ago...

... and I'm still not buying DRM-chained games [:'(]

The older I get, the lesser my tolerance for this licensing crap. The things people put up with simply amazes me.

Why not just let people do what they wish and discuss a game without lamenting about the same old DRM issues. If you feel you must discuss it start up a specific thread. This discussion is already old and very boring. People want to discuss Panzer Battles not your likes and dislikes about DRM.

I have time - time to wait until the lamenting about activation servers which aren't there anymore starts and when people like you will start whining all over the internet I'll be there, merrily gaming on, with a huge grin on my face whistling "told you so".

This is just part of the pre-fun.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Titanwarrior89]

I don't buy from battlefront anymore....I'll stay with board gaming before I put up with being charged for a patch after ive spent 55 or 65 bucks on a game. I don't complain awhole lot but they nickel and dime their customers to death. I really don't have a problem with them selling module after module in the same theater but when they started charging for a update, that was the end for me. So you throw in a DRM with that, and equals just plain bad soup. [:o]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

ORIGINAL: mgarnett

Out of interest, and I'm not trolling here, are there any instances of a company going "belly-up" that had games requiring internet activation that can no longer be activated (i am only really interested in wargames but any genre examples would be good)?

The way I see it, you have two choices, don't buy the games because of what "might" happen (but may never happen) and deprive yourself of the enjoymeny or, buy the games knowing the risk but you consider it acceptable. Either way is just as "right" as the other.

I for one, take the enjoyment approach and buy the games knowing the risks.

Cheers

Mark

Games For Windows Live is going kaput this year. Some games, notably the Batman Arkham series, that use it as a platform have been patched to disassociate themselves from it. Other games, notably Dark Souls, have not been patched.

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/01/17/games ... ort-of-ga/

Yeah that Warhammer series that I had bought the whole set of can no longer be played or started up online. Someone did show me a way to get it to run offline but I've since forgotten. I think Games for Windows Live had that series. It's the main reason I hate buying digital games anymore. You have no guarentees or ownership really of a digital games. At least with physical purchases and no online DRM you do. I still buy most of my stuff from Amazon or Ebay. But it's getting thinner and thinner with choices. Finding a wargame nowadays is next to impossible. But there is NWSonline on Ebay that sells physical copies of HPS games without charging you an arm and a leg for shipping and processing like Matrixgames and Slitherine do. There's some other shop name on Amazon that sells HPS games also and the shipping is very reasonable. Between the two of them I get most of what I want. NWSonline used to have good deals and shipping of Matrixgames games, but, last time I was there I noticed they had all been removed. Why is that Matrixgames/Slitherine? Why did you stop doing business with Chris?

Then a couple of years ago GOG went down and you couldn't get access to your games on there for a few weeks. They since came back up, but it was scary by any means all those games I had bought there no longer available.

Direct 2 Drive was a site that actually went belly up and sold out to GameFly. Well I don't like gamefly and I had to get that client to be able to play the games I bought from Direct2Drive. I didn't lose anything it was just the principle that I had to install an intrusive client to play games I had bought from Direct2Drive.

Paradox was selling Crusader Kings II on Gamersgate. They lured us in with that chit and then dropped support of the game on that site. We were FORCED to install STEAM if we wanted future updates and patches. This isn't right, isn't right at all.l We need some (politics sorry) on this chit. Software developers and publishers have been getting away with this crap for far too long. Just bring back refunds if something like this happens and I'll be a happy camper. If you sell me something and then a few weeks later tell me you aren't going to support it or fix it you'd be tarred and feathered where I live. At least give me the opportunity for a refund when this happens.

Same thing happened when Battlefront stopped supporting the Paradox version of Combat Mission SF. I had to pay to get them to update it to the Battlefront version. I was already pissed at them for charging me $5 each for patches for CMAK and CMBB to run on vista.

Matrixgames/Slitherine is the only site I've gotten satisfaction from when I had a game issue or other issue. They don't always do it but they will give refunds if there are extinuating circumstanes. Like the game just plain won't run on your machine. Of course they haven't gone bellyup so can't really say what they would do. But, the majority of their games don't have DRM the way it is in Steam or other sites. They still use old school. Cd key and just backup your setup.exe and you'll have the game for life. I mean how many pirates are gonna steal wargames anyways? Nobody plays them but us nuts. [:D]