Ship Repair 101 Guide

This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!

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Can it be that there is a typo for the PORT REPAIR ASSIST POINTS for level 2 ports?
When you look you see that every level gains 1 point more than the former, going backward it almost fits except for the level 2 port with 27 what is the same as level 3 ports get.

8 19
27 0
27 11
38 12
50 13
63 14
77 15
92 16
108 17
125

Now lets change that to 17 and we have a perfect system:
8 9
17 10
27 11
38 12
50 13
63 14
77 15
92 16
108 17
125

So can it be that level 2 ports generate 17 Port Repair Assist Points?
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I just bought a used copy and have been reading the manual. There is no way I'm gonna learn this game, it's really intimidating! [X(]
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There's a permanent link to this thread in the Admiral's Edition Wiki (which, sadly, is grossly underused).

I did'nt know, but I've bookmarked it now!!
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Ooo! I wrote the "Surface Intercepts" article:

http://witp-ae.wikia.com/wiki/Naval_Tactics
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If this was covered and I missed it, I apologize. The first time I played this game, I took a heavily damaged CV into Sidney for repairs. I would have done this regardless, to repair flotation damage before sending it on to Pearl, say. But I didn't know that once you begin a repair project, there would be a delay to putting the ship back in readiness so it could ship out to a larger shipyard. I had a dickens of a time getting that CV out, but eventually it was released. Since I didn't know what I was doing, I may have been switching it from one repair mode to another without leaving it in readiness repair mode long enough for it to be released. Since then I've seen that there is always a delay (I think) but often it's just a single day. Any info anyone can give on how that works?

Also, in a similar vein, a hope for future improvements in the game, in ten or twenty years or so:

Having a process whereby repair shipyards could be enlarged.

Having a process whereby roads could be improved, extended and repaired. The repair part assumes there would also be a means of damaging roads, knocking out bridges and the like.

Having a process like above for railroads. Presumably this would require the introduction of railway engineers, as no other type would be able to do that work. Knocking out railroads in areas where the opponent has no RR ENG available could substantially alter the ground campaign and more. There might be an addendum to the manpower idea that would have rail crews capable of repairs (only and slowly) intrinsic to different areas/cities.

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Ooo! I wrote the "Surface Intercepts" article:

http://witp-ae.wikia.com/wiki/Naval_Tactics

witpqs -

Used the link to read you excellent article on naval tactics. While I have been aware of the wiki for some time, I had, to my embarrassment, forgotten this store of information. There is always so much more to learn...

My thanks to all of you who contributed to the wiki.

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Example: 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR. According to the calculations in the guide it should be able to be repaired in a shipyard size 3, port size 3 or a tender. Would it have to be an AD or would an AR be able to do it too?

(I'm thinking not but just want confirmation)

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Yes .. and no.[:)]

1. The 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR is a DP gun. As it is a DP gun the WRP ("weapon repair points") cost is the guns effect value. The WRP for this weapon is is therefore 55.

2. A shipyard size 3 generates 60 WRP (shipyard size x 20). As the smallest Allied shipyard is a size 3 (Perth), any undamaged Allied shipyard is able to repair the weapon.

3. A port sized 3 generates 75 WRP (port size x 25). Any undamaged Allied port size 3 is able to repair the weapon.

4. Tenders is where it becomes messy. A tender generates a fixed 250 WRP but the WRP it generates cannot always be applied to repairing a weapon. Remember, technically we are not "repairing" a weapon but really replacing a destroyed weapon with a new weapon and tenders are limited to certain vessel types, not weapon systems per se, they can work on. Therefore, using your 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR as the exemplar, this is how it works out.

(a) ARs do not generate WRPs. The key here is that on page 276 of the manual they are associated only with repairing damage. In the context of this ship repair guide, that means IR ("integrity repairs") only are handled by ARs.

(b) ADs do generate the fixed 250 WRP. Note how on page 275 of the manual they are associated with both repairing (ie IR) and rearming. Therefore an AD easily generates sufficient WRP to repair (ie replace = rearm) a 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR provided the damaged (ie destroyed) weapon itself is on a vessel type which can be worked on by an AD. As indicated in the guide and in the manual the relevant vessel types are combat DDs and below. Therefore an AO (eg the Neosho class) or a CV (eg the Esses class) with a damaged 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR will not have the weapon repaired by an AD because that tender does not work on those vessel types at all.

(c) If a SS or a PT were to have a damaged 5in/38 Mk 12 EBR (who knows what some modders will do), then an AS or AGP respectively could repair the damaged weapon. Again you will find on pages 275 and 276 of the manual respectively those tender types are associated with both repairing and rearming those vessel types they can work on.


Bear in mind, as indicated in the guide I'm not a dev and have no access to the game code. Exact code algorithmns are not disclosed by the devs. But unless a dev such as Don Bowen or michaelm chip in to say something to the contrary, I am quite confident that the above is accurate and more than adequate for 99.9% of WITP:AE players.

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Alfred -

Always clear, concise clarifications - that help me beyond measure (because I am usually beyond help? <grin>).

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