Olorin, I AM reading![:D]
We're playing the same faulty mod, so i feel your pain. I had to stop any further offensive advances when i realized my supply levels in Japan were getting just too low!
I think your overall situation looks good thou.
If you want my unexperienced thought, i think with the loss of the Gilberts, it is time to move some serious reserves to the Mariannas and to the 4th Fleet.
Kusiae needs to get at least as garrisoned as Ponape imho.
Same for Wake island. It can handle only 6,000 men, but what really matters here is the composition of those 6,000 men. I wouldn't use the usual SNLF units there. i've found that a somehow best composition is an Combat Eng unit (in 1943 they upgrade and get a way better AT value), a IJA BN (i use one of those very experienced that starts attached to the 5th Fleet in Hokkaido), a Tank Co. (used the one that pops up at Truk), a SNLF (using one of those that have some artillery and engineers embedded) and a AT gun unit).
Same for Marcus island (but for Marcus you actually have more room because there isn't any static CD guns unit)
My fear is that the supply levels (that now are more or less stable) will start to drop when all those infantry units will start arriving in 1943/1944... by that time, maybe, we'll both need to ask to our esteemed opponents to ask Michealm to add a kind of an off map convoy monthly giving us some supplies cause i really do think the supply problem will strangle us by that time
With the loss of the Marshalls i don't know how wise is to keep all those divisions near Noumea...
Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A)
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RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Agree situation looks good, time to pull out of the SOPAC, minimise your use of fuel...
Rest your units where possible to reduce use of supply.
Having all those extra divs for garisons would be nice, sigh, but they will cost you a lot of supply. I think you will be ok until you start taking big losses.... you will then have difficulty rebuilding destroyed units, and builing the new units that are coming.
Cheers
Rob
Rest your units where possible to reduce use of supply.
Having all those extra divs for garisons would be nice, sigh, but they will cost you a lot of supply. I think you will be ok until you start taking big losses.... you will then have difficulty rebuilding destroyed units, and builing the new units that are coming.
Cheers
Rob
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RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Thanks for the comments guys.[:)]
Kusaie Isl. is currently defended by just 70 AV. I agree that it needs a garrison as sizeable as Ponape's. My next goal is to reinforce this region with at least a division from the Kwantung Army or the Southeast Fleet.
Atoll defense: Interesting thoughts, Greyjoy. My current atoll defense is ineffective I am afraid, mainly consisting of SNFL troops. I also have aviation support taking valuable space. I have prepared atoll counter-invasion forces, consisting of one inf and one tank rgt, with combat engineers supporting. Two such forces are fully prepared for Wake and Johnson Isl. I suppose the latter will not be ever used now.
SE Fleet: Jrcar, I have plans to withdraw from SoPac all the way back to New Guinea, Horn Isl. and Shortlands if needed. But I am not just going to hand this region over to Michael for free. He needs to show that he is willing to fight for it. My current positions in New Caledonia and New Hebrides can only be taken with carrier support. It's costly to maintain garrisons there, but losing Numea and/or Luganville opens the way for a LBA supported advance in the Solomons and, more importantly, landings behind my lines in the Australian east coast and/or New Guinea. When I withdraw from Numea, I will also withdraw from Brisbane, but I need some more time to prepare adequate defenses in NG and NE Oz.
Bellow is a screenshot showing the planned defensive "lines" in the SE Fleet AO, after the withdrawal. The second line is already manned. The third, main line is still incomplete, especially around NG.
For now, I will just withdraw the more valuable units (the air HQs and half the infantry) and start building in New Guinea. In southeast Australia, the Imperial Division will be pulled back to Townsville. Forts there have just reached lvl 4. In total, this partial withdrawal will economize roughly 700 AV. Another division will be redeployed from Manchuria in a about a month, to be sent in the 4th Fleet AO.
Kusaie Isl. is currently defended by just 70 AV. I agree that it needs a garrison as sizeable as Ponape's. My next goal is to reinforce this region with at least a division from the Kwantung Army or the Southeast Fleet.
Atoll defense: Interesting thoughts, Greyjoy. My current atoll defense is ineffective I am afraid, mainly consisting of SNFL troops. I also have aviation support taking valuable space. I have prepared atoll counter-invasion forces, consisting of one inf and one tank rgt, with combat engineers supporting. Two such forces are fully prepared for Wake and Johnson Isl. I suppose the latter will not be ever used now.
SE Fleet: Jrcar, I have plans to withdraw from SoPac all the way back to New Guinea, Horn Isl. and Shortlands if needed. But I am not just going to hand this region over to Michael for free. He needs to show that he is willing to fight for it. My current positions in New Caledonia and New Hebrides can only be taken with carrier support. It's costly to maintain garrisons there, but losing Numea and/or Luganville opens the way for a LBA supported advance in the Solomons and, more importantly, landings behind my lines in the Australian east coast and/or New Guinea. When I withdraw from Numea, I will also withdraw from Brisbane, but I need some more time to prepare adequate defenses in NG and NE Oz.
Bellow is a screenshot showing the planned defensive "lines" in the SE Fleet AO, after the withdrawal. The second line is already manned. The third, main line is still incomplete, especially around NG.
For now, I will just withdraw the more valuable units (the air HQs and half the infantry) and start building in New Guinea. In southeast Australia, the Imperial Division will be pulled back to Townsville. Forts there have just reached lvl 4. In total, this partial withdrawal will economize roughly 700 AV. Another division will be redeployed from Manchuria in a about a month, to be sent in the 4th Fleet AO.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
28 Sep, 1942
China: I was moving most of my reserve divisions to Canton, in order to attack Wuchow, and what did I run into? 3 New Chinese Corps attempting to infiltrate behind my lines near Kanshien! Actually the town was completely empty and it reverted to Chinese control as they were passing two hexes away, which alerted me that something was there. My recon planes spotted nothing. What are they up to? A prelude to a larger offensive? I think not. At the moment it looks like minor guerrilla action.
Assessment of the Australian campaign so far: Some my assumptions prior to invading have been proven wrong. Thinking I would be able to cause firestorms and thus destroy the Australian industry was unrealistic. I did disable most of the HI in Sydney, Adelaide and Newcastle, gaining 3000 permanent VPs. Also, I wasn't able to engage the Allied airforces much. Michael wisely refused battle and only engaged in hit and run attacks. One of them was truly devastating, catching 200 bombers without escorts. The Allied airforce emerges stronger from this campaign.
The ground battles went much better. I destroyed the 18th British Division, an Australian Division, three Australian brigades and also roughed up another American division (the 32nd). The ground I captured pushes the Allies further away from the Empire's vital regions. There are at least 2 or 3 extra divisions reinforcing the Australian Army.
I will not gift this ground back to the Allies for free, but I already started preparing lines of defense further back (see screenshot in previous post).
Marshalls: I am getting swept by P-38s in Maloelap, Jaluit and Mili daily. About 50 heavy bombers and 30 medium bombers raid my airfields also daily, steadily burning supplies. I have 45 Zekes in Roi-Namur and 18 Rufes in Maloelap on rest. Today, I ordered all of them to cover Jaluit. The P-38s arrived after the bombers and I was able to shot down 6 B-24s and damage more of them, for the loss of 2 Rufes. Nice!
China: I was moving most of my reserve divisions to Canton, in order to attack Wuchow, and what did I run into? 3 New Chinese Corps attempting to infiltrate behind my lines near Kanshien! Actually the town was completely empty and it reverted to Chinese control as they were passing two hexes away, which alerted me that something was there. My recon planes spotted nothing. What are they up to? A prelude to a larger offensive? I think not. At the moment it looks like minor guerrilla action.
Assessment of the Australian campaign so far: Some my assumptions prior to invading have been proven wrong. Thinking I would be able to cause firestorms and thus destroy the Australian industry was unrealistic. I did disable most of the HI in Sydney, Adelaide and Newcastle, gaining 3000 permanent VPs. Also, I wasn't able to engage the Allied airforces much. Michael wisely refused battle and only engaged in hit and run attacks. One of them was truly devastating, catching 200 bombers without escorts. The Allied airforce emerges stronger from this campaign.
The ground battles went much better. I destroyed the 18th British Division, an Australian Division, three Australian brigades and also roughed up another American division (the 32nd). The ground I captured pushes the Allies further away from the Empire's vital regions. There are at least 2 or 3 extra divisions reinforcing the Australian Army.
I will not gift this ground back to the Allies for free, but I already started preparing lines of defense further back (see screenshot in previous post).
Marshalls: I am getting swept by P-38s in Maloelap, Jaluit and Mili daily. About 50 heavy bombers and 30 medium bombers raid my airfields also daily, steadily burning supplies. I have 45 Zekes in Roi-Namur and 18 Rufes in Maloelap on rest. Today, I ordered all of them to cover Jaluit. The P-38s arrived after the bombers and I was able to shot down 6 B-24s and damage more of them, for the loss of 2 Rufes. Nice!
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
29 Sep, '42
China: I have to discontinue my airfield attacks because over 100 allied fighters have been redeployed to forward Chinese airfields. A few P-38Es and P-43s were destroyed on the ground, but no CAP was encountered.
4th Fleet: Lots of strange TFs are spotted near Tarawa heading west! Soryu and Hiryu will finish upgrading tomorrow, Akagi and Kaga in a week.
Jaluit is visited again by P-38s and heavy bombers. The airfield is completely trashed, but my float planes aren't affected.
SE Fleet: 49 B-17s attack Numea, but a CAP of 30 Zeros and 14 Nicks damages 9 and destroys 2 of them. 6 Liberators arrive separately and are chewed up by CAP and flak.
Australia: Broken Hill and Burke are stripped of their garrisons. Only base forces remain. Since Michael isn't reconing at all in Australia, I think it will take him some time to notice it. I economized 400 AV and 6 naval construction units, which are now tasked with preparing fall back positions in the SE Fleet AO.
Burma: I've been thinking on the defense of Burma a lot and I just can't get my head around it. No solution seems satisfactory other than withdrawing to Mulmein. In the end, I decided to abandon northern Burma and defend the line Lashio- Mandalay-Magwe and the two hexes southwest (true) of Magwe, all the way to the coast. I am bringing lots of AA from Kwantung Army to aid the defense of open hexes. I plan to buy out another infantry division from Manchuria. In 2 months, the rest of the 3rd Tank Division will also arrive. That will bring the Burma Area Army to a total strength of 3 divisions, 1 separate brigade, 1 regiment and 1 armoured division in reserve, which I feel is still an inadequate force to defend this region. I think at least 7 divisions are needed to truly secure the line, but such a force cannot exist until mid '43.
Redeployments: I paid lots of PPs in recent weeks to buy out most of Kwantung Army's support units. A swarm of engineers, flak and artillery is on its way to various fronts, mainly Burma and SE Fleet.
The 5th Sentai of the 51st Air Div in the HI is filled with 42 Nicks and 84 PPs were paid to buy it out. It will reinforce the 4th Fleet.
China: I have to discontinue my airfield attacks because over 100 allied fighters have been redeployed to forward Chinese airfields. A few P-38Es and P-43s were destroyed on the ground, but no CAP was encountered.
4th Fleet: Lots of strange TFs are spotted near Tarawa heading west! Soryu and Hiryu will finish upgrading tomorrow, Akagi and Kaga in a week.
Jaluit is visited again by P-38s and heavy bombers. The airfield is completely trashed, but my float planes aren't affected.
SE Fleet: 49 B-17s attack Numea, but a CAP of 30 Zeros and 14 Nicks damages 9 and destroys 2 of them. 6 Liberators arrive separately and are chewed up by CAP and flak.
Australia: Broken Hill and Burke are stripped of their garrisons. Only base forces remain. Since Michael isn't reconing at all in Australia, I think it will take him some time to notice it. I economized 400 AV and 6 naval construction units, which are now tasked with preparing fall back positions in the SE Fleet AO.
Burma: I've been thinking on the defense of Burma a lot and I just can't get my head around it. No solution seems satisfactory other than withdrawing to Mulmein. In the end, I decided to abandon northern Burma and defend the line Lashio- Mandalay-Magwe and the two hexes southwest (true) of Magwe, all the way to the coast. I am bringing lots of AA from Kwantung Army to aid the defense of open hexes. I plan to buy out another infantry division from Manchuria. In 2 months, the rest of the 3rd Tank Division will also arrive. That will bring the Burma Area Army to a total strength of 3 divisions, 1 separate brigade, 1 regiment and 1 armoured division in reserve, which I feel is still an inadequate force to defend this region. I think at least 7 divisions are needed to truly secure the line, but such a force cannot exist until mid '43.
Redeployments: I paid lots of PPs in recent weeks to buy out most of Kwantung Army's support units. A swarm of engineers, flak and artillery is on its way to various fronts, mainly Burma and SE Fleet.
The 5th Sentai of the 51st Air Div in the HI is filled with 42 Nicks and 84 PPs were paid to buy it out. It will reinforce the 4th Fleet.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
30 Sep, '42
4th Fleet: The allied ships have moved one hex off Ocean island heading directly west. Three taskforces are spotted, with one CV, three CVLs, 5 CA, 2 CLAAs, 2 DDs and 3 DMSs. Directly west lies Shortlands...interesting. I am not sure if this is a feint or not. The Marshalls continue to be reconed by allied planes (including Wildcats) though no bombers visited today, except 30 Mitchells over Mili. I have 16 subs in the general area and the KB moved to Rabaul, but I won't commit it while 4 of its CVs are in the HI. My LBA in the Solomons is very strong though, as are my surface assets (5 BBs, 7 CAs, 5 CLs, 28 DDs).
China: The Allied fighter force retreated to the Chinese capital. There must be 200 in total. Just being there affects my air operations, as I stood down my bombers today. The 3 Chinese divisions near Kanshien are being pushed back with ease.
SE Fleet: Shortlands is reinforced with one brigade from Tulagi. Tulagi itself is defended now only by one infantry regiment with ample support (220AV) and the 25th Air Flotilla. The 23rd Air Flotilla HQ moved to Luganville from Kumac. New Caledonia is stripped of one infantry regiment, which will go to Port Moresby.
4th Fleet: The allied ships have moved one hex off Ocean island heading directly west. Three taskforces are spotted, with one CV, three CVLs, 5 CA, 2 CLAAs, 2 DDs and 3 DMSs. Directly west lies Shortlands...interesting. I am not sure if this is a feint or not. The Marshalls continue to be reconed by allied planes (including Wildcats) though no bombers visited today, except 30 Mitchells over Mili. I have 16 subs in the general area and the KB moved to Rabaul, but I won't commit it while 4 of its CVs are in the HI. My LBA in the Solomons is very strong though, as are my surface assets (5 BBs, 7 CAs, 5 CLs, 28 DDs).
China: The Allied fighter force retreated to the Chinese capital. There must be 200 in total. Just being there affects my air operations, as I stood down my bombers today. The 3 Chinese divisions near Kanshien are being pushed back with ease.
SE Fleet: Shortlands is reinforced with one brigade from Tulagi. Tulagi itself is defended now only by one infantry regiment with ample support (220AV) and the 25th Air Flotilla. The 23rd Air Flotilla HQ moved to Luganville from Kumac. New Caledonia is stripped of one infantry regiment, which will go to Port Moresby.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
01 Oct, '42
4th Fleet: The answer to the riddle is Ocean island. That's where the allied ships where heading. Well, since I lost the Gilberts that base couldn't be held, so I left it empty. There is a small SNFL unit in Nauru.
Over Mili, I set a trap for the Mitchells that are attacking daily without escorts, using 40 Zeros and 18 Rufes based at Roi-Namur. 6 enemy bombers were shot down and 8 were damaged.
Soryu and Hiryu finished refitting and will join the rest of KB soon.
China: A Chinese division is manhandled near Kanshien. Around 100 squads were destroyed in the last four days. Meanwhile, my hit and run airfield raids continue, despite the presence of allied fighters. Each day I pick new bases to hit and I burn their supply steadily.
4th Fleet: The answer to the riddle is Ocean island. That's where the allied ships where heading. Well, since I lost the Gilberts that base couldn't be held, so I left it empty. There is a small SNFL unit in Nauru.
Over Mili, I set a trap for the Mitchells that are attacking daily without escorts, using 40 Zeros and 18 Rufes based at Roi-Namur. 6 enemy bombers were shot down and 8 were damaged.
Soryu and Hiryu finished refitting and will join the rest of KB soon.
China: A Chinese division is manhandled near Kanshien. Around 100 squads were destroyed in the last four days. Meanwhile, my hit and run airfield raids continue, despite the presence of allied fighters. Each day I pick new bases to hit and I burn their supply steadily.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
03 Oct, '42
Slow turns, mot much news to report.
China: One of the three Chinese Corps near Kanshien is destroyed, the other two are pushed further back.
4th Fleet: Maloelap and Mili were bombed again. Allied CVs and CAs remain in the Gilberts. The 5th Sentai (42 Nicks) arrived at Roi-Namur.
Soryu and Hiryu joined the KB (now 4 CVs in total). A curious thing happened: about 5 days ago Akagi and Kaga needed a week to fully upgrade. Now they need 12 days. Why did the ETA increased?
5th Fleet: Three heavy artillery battalions are bought from Manchuria and will reinforce my three main strongholds in the Kurilles.
Australia: The gradual withdrawal of support assets continues each turn. I still have strong air presence here, but I disabled all the industry I could, within fighter range. My raids have become increasingly inefficient due to allied flak. Over 200 IJA bombers are redeployed to Burma and China.
Burma: We decided to scrap the monsoon rule. Operations can restart any time here, but there is no sign of allied forward movements. I am pulling everybody back from northern Burma anyway.
Slow turns, mot much news to report.
China: One of the three Chinese Corps near Kanshien is destroyed, the other two are pushed further back.
4th Fleet: Maloelap and Mili were bombed again. Allied CVs and CAs remain in the Gilberts. The 5th Sentai (42 Nicks) arrived at Roi-Namur.
Soryu and Hiryu joined the KB (now 4 CVs in total). A curious thing happened: about 5 days ago Akagi and Kaga needed a week to fully upgrade. Now they need 12 days. Why did the ETA increased?
5th Fleet: Three heavy artillery battalions are bought from Manchuria and will reinforce my three main strongholds in the Kurilles.
Australia: The gradual withdrawal of support assets continues each turn. I still have strong air presence here, but I disabled all the industry I could, within fighter range. My raids have become increasingly inefficient due to allied flak. Over 200 IJA bombers are redeployed to Burma and China.
Burma: We decided to scrap the monsoon rule. Operations can restart any time here, but there is no sign of allied forward movements. I am pulling everybody back from northern Burma anyway.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
A word on my R&D:
The A6M5b is already accelerated by 5 months and is gaining 12% daily (6x30 factories, multiplied by 2 from over 500 engines). when a sixth month is gained, I will switch to the A6M5c model.
3x30 Judy factories have been completed in the last weeks, which brought overall progress up to 30%. I have over 500 Aichi engines in the pool now, which means that Judy gains 9% daily and production will start in November. I will expand one factory to 60, which will be the one to become operational, the other two factories will switch to the next Judy model.
1x30 Jill factory is completed, with two more following during October. I estimate that production can begin in January '43.
6x30 George factories will be completed within '42.
The most important long term IJNAF project is the A7M2 Sam, with three x30 factories devoted to it, but they are a long way from contributing yet (only 4/30 are repaired).
Ki-44-Ic Tojo is already accelerated by 5 months and is gaining 3% daily.
4x30 Frank factories are being repaired very slowly. Long term IJAAF project is the Ki-201 Karyu (4x30 factories).
The A6M5b is already accelerated by 5 months and is gaining 12% daily (6x30 factories, multiplied by 2 from over 500 engines). when a sixth month is gained, I will switch to the A6M5c model.
3x30 Judy factories have been completed in the last weeks, which brought overall progress up to 30%. I have over 500 Aichi engines in the pool now, which means that Judy gains 9% daily and production will start in November. I will expand one factory to 60, which will be the one to become operational, the other two factories will switch to the next Judy model.
1x30 Jill factory is completed, with two more following during October. I estimate that production can begin in January '43.
6x30 George factories will be completed within '42.
The most important long term IJNAF project is the A7M2 Sam, with three x30 factories devoted to it, but they are a long way from contributing yet (only 4/30 are repaired).
Ki-44-Ic Tojo is already accelerated by 5 months and is gaining 3% daily.
4x30 Frank factories are being repaired very slowly. Long term IJAAF project is the Ki-201 Karyu (4x30 factories).
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
We didn't touch the c version, settling on the b. The c has armour, but is slower, has less mvr and a shorter range...
Not so keen on the Sam either, but haven't used it (we have one factory building it to try out later). Prefer the George... interesting to see other opinions.
Cheers
Rob
Not so keen on the Sam either, but haven't used it (we have one factory building it to try out later). Prefer the George... interesting to see other opinions.
Cheers
Rob
AE BETA Breaker
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
I agree, jrcar, I intend to keep the b version on my carriers and put George in all my IJNAF land based fighter groups. The c model will just be a step towards A6M8. I am looking for a CV capable fighter to replace A6M8 in the end game and the stats suggest that Sam is the only model with better stats. I could be mistaken. What are you researching in that area?
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Don't expect to have CV's or fuel to spare by then 
The A6M8 uses a different engine (and we have stacks of the Ha-35) and the stats aren't worth the cost of supplies IMHO. The 5b is about the best, in fact we are still using the 3a as we have them, hardly any difference stats wise and it has an extra hex range which can be useful.
The A6M8 uses a different engine (and we have stacks of the Ha-35) and the stats aren't worth the cost of supplies IMHO. The 5b is about the best, in fact we are still using the 3a as we have them, hardly any difference stats wise and it has an extra hex range which can be useful.
ORIGINAL: Olorin
I agree, jrcar, I intend to keep the b version on my carriers and put George in all my IJNAF land based fighter groups. The c model will just be a step towards A6M8. I am looking for a CV capable fighter to replace A6M8 in the end game and the stats suggest that Sam is the only model with better stats. I could be mistaken. What are you researching in that area?
AE BETA Breaker
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Sam is your only choice for IJN CV fighter.ORIGINAL: Olorin
I agree, jrcar, I intend to keep the b version on my carriers and put George in all my IJNAF land based fighter groups. The c model will just be a step towards A6M8. I am looking for a CV capable fighter to replace A6M8 in the end game and the stats suggest that Sam is the only model with better stats. I could be mistaken. What are you researching in that area?
Your ultimate IJN fighter will likely be the Shinden. I wish it had better cannon, but CL, the 30mm aren't terrible. For the weight though you could have 6 x 20mm and that would be really deadly. Your only other real option is the Shusei, but it just has so short range ....
Pax
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
ORIGINAL: jrcar
Don't expect to have CV's or fuel to spare by then
That's not very optimistic [:D]
But you may be right, especially fuel wise. As for the supply cost of the A6M8, I will research it anyway, since I already have the factories and when it comes online, I will see if I can spare the supplies.
ORIGINAL: Paxmondo
Sam is your only choice for IJN CV fighter.
Your ultimate IJN fighter will likely be the Shinden. I wish it had better cannon, but CL, the 30mm aren't terrible. For the weight though you could have 6 x 20mm and that would be really deadly. Your only other real option is the Shusei, but it just has so short range ....
Thanks for commenting, Pax. I wonder if you 've ever reached deep into '45 and seen the impact these late war models have.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Played the Armageddon scen for about a year, couple years back to work out my "end game" strategies. Speed is a very big deal in the Air2Air combat model (and that makes a lot of sense). Once the speed differential is greater than about 50, you have to have enormous numeric superiority (2:1 or more) to be able to compete, and over 80 more like 3:1 or higher. Given the speeds of the of the late war allied fighters, that means anything less than 400 is at a severe disadvantage, 400 is somewhat at a disadvantage. To be able to fight at somewhat of an even footing, you have to have fighters +450 speed. That is a real short list for the IJ.ORIGINAL: Olorin
Thanks for commenting, Pax. I wonder if you 've ever reached deep into '46 and seen the impact these late war models have.
Pax
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Played the Armageddon scen for about a year, couple years back to work out my "end game" strategies. Speed is a very big deal in the Air2Air combat model (and that makes a lot of sense). Once the speed differential is greater than about 50, you have to have enormous numeric superiority (2:1 or more) to be able to compete, and over 80 more like 3:1 or higher. Given the speeds of the of the late war allied fighters, that means anything less than 400 is at a severe disadvantage, 400 is somewhat at a disadvantage. To be able to fight at somewhat of an even footing, you have to have fighters +450 speed. That is a real short list for the IJ.ORIGINAL: Olorin
Thanks for commenting, Pax. I wonder if you 've ever reached deep into '46 and seen the impact these late war models have.
I've based my R&D in this game on aircraft speed, which you confirm is the correct choice. So, an advantage in maneuverability can't compensate for a disadvantage in speed? The consensus answer in the forum seems to be no. Does maneuverability have an impact in the air combat model at all?
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
As I understand the model, manouver does have impact. However, speed allows you to engage and disengage at the pilots discretion. This is a big deal as it means aircraft out of ammo or damaged escape instead of being VP's for the opponent. So a big speed advantage is very hard to overcome. When speeds are more similar +/- 30, then manouver becomes more important.ORIGINAL: Olorin
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Played the Armageddon scen for about a year, couple years back to work out my "end game" strategies. Speed is a very big deal in the Air2Air combat model (and that makes a lot of sense). Once the speed differential is greater than about 50, you have to have enormous numeric superiority (2:1 or more) to be able to compete, and over 80 more like 3:1 or higher. Given the speeds of the of the late war allied fighters, that means anything less than 400 is at a severe disadvantage, 400 is somewhat at a disadvantage. To be able to fight at somewhat of an even footing, you have to have fighters +450 speed. That is a real short list for the IJ.ORIGINAL: Olorin
Thanks for commenting, Pax. I wonder if you 've ever reached deep into '46 and seen the impact these late war models have.
I've based my R&D in this game on aircraft speed, which you confirm is the correct choice. So, an advantage in maneuverability can't compensate for a disadvantage in speed? The consensus answer in the forum seems to be no. Does maneuverability have an impact in the air combat model at all?
So, yes, I use speed as a key discriminator. Armament is also a big deal.
Pax
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
9-12 Oct, '42
China: I sent 2 more Sally groups to Indochina to start raids on Kumming and other airfields. I developed the dot base near the China-Indochina border to lvl 4 airfield. Michael reacted by rebasing 30 fighters to Kumming, so I sent 42 Tojos from Burma. They are were sitting there doing nothing anyway. I swept Kumming at 25.000 feet and met a CAP of 3 P-43A1 Lancers at 10.000, with another 17 scrambling their way up. We lost 2 Tojos and shot down 1 enemy fighter...I will sweep again tomorrow.
4th Fleet: Bad day over Maloelap. Of my 90 fighters based at Roi-Namur, only 19 appeared over Maloelap. 22 P-38s arrived before the bombers this time and shot down 8 Nicks, 3 Rufes and 1 Zero.
5th Fleet: On the 10th, the I-25, one of the two subs operating east of the Dutch Harbor, sunk an allied CVE escorting a large convoy heading west. I ordered the 9 Betties I have at Amchitka to search the area and the next day 3 fat convoys were discovered near the Dutch Harbor, including a BB and a BC. I immediately ordered the 4th Division at Wakkanai to load on transports and head to the Aleutians. 9 Kates were rebased to Amchitka from Paramushiro.
On the 12th, the allied taskforces moved further west, just one hex off Adak island. I-25 intercepted two different taskforces, one with BBs Washington and North Carolina and the other one with 3 CAs and 1 CLAA. The presence of the CLAA means that there is an aircraft carrier there too, I suppose. Only 2 torpedoes were launched, against a DD, both missed. In the afternoon, 8 Kates attacked at 5000 feet and met 19 Wildcats that were too high to engage in time. The Kates went through without loss and scored two bomb hits, one on AP President Polk and another on BC Repulse.
Not much I can do to stop Michael from retaking the Aleutians. I have 1 CA, 1 CL and 5 DDs based at Etorofu and they are already moving east. Akagi and Kaga will finish upgrading in 5 days and it's another week from Hiroshima to Amchitka island.
China: I sent 2 more Sally groups to Indochina to start raids on Kumming and other airfields. I developed the dot base near the China-Indochina border to lvl 4 airfield. Michael reacted by rebasing 30 fighters to Kumming, so I sent 42 Tojos from Burma. They are were sitting there doing nothing anyway. I swept Kumming at 25.000 feet and met a CAP of 3 P-43A1 Lancers at 10.000, with another 17 scrambling their way up. We lost 2 Tojos and shot down 1 enemy fighter...I will sweep again tomorrow.
4th Fleet: Bad day over Maloelap. Of my 90 fighters based at Roi-Namur, only 19 appeared over Maloelap. 22 P-38s arrived before the bombers this time and shot down 8 Nicks, 3 Rufes and 1 Zero.
5th Fleet: On the 10th, the I-25, one of the two subs operating east of the Dutch Harbor, sunk an allied CVE escorting a large convoy heading west. I ordered the 9 Betties I have at Amchitka to search the area and the next day 3 fat convoys were discovered near the Dutch Harbor, including a BB and a BC. I immediately ordered the 4th Division at Wakkanai to load on transports and head to the Aleutians. 9 Kates were rebased to Amchitka from Paramushiro.
On the 12th, the allied taskforces moved further west, just one hex off Adak island. I-25 intercepted two different taskforces, one with BBs Washington and North Carolina and the other one with 3 CAs and 1 CLAA. The presence of the CLAA means that there is an aircraft carrier there too, I suppose. Only 2 torpedoes were launched, against a DD, both missed. In the afternoon, 8 Kates attacked at 5000 feet and met 19 Wildcats that were too high to engage in time. The Kates went through without loss and scored two bomb hits, one on AP President Polk and another on BC Repulse.
Not much I can do to stop Michael from retaking the Aleutians. I have 1 CA, 1 CL and 5 DDs based at Etorofu and they are already moving east. Akagi and Kaga will finish upgrading in 5 days and it's another week from Hiroshima to Amchitka island.
RE: An unexpected update. Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Oct 13-14
5th Fleet: My Kates were not so lucky this time in breaking through the CAP and I lost 8 of them. So, the allied landings in the Aleutians are proceeding without much hindrance at the moment. The 37th Infantry Division landed at Adak Island, while the allied battleships lay waste to the base. I have 65 AV there behind lvl 3 forts. The first deliberate attack failed to even drop them, but disabled 27 SNFL squads. I will lose Adak pretty soon.
Amchitka was also bombarded and invaded the next day by Canadian forces (!), but their strength is not yet known. I have 83 AV behind lvl 3 forts. The bombardment leaves me without any usable airfield in the Aleutians.
Meanwhile, the transport TF carrying the 4th Division is just east of Paramushiro, escorted by CruRon5. I will not send them yet, perhaps not at all. I think there are two American carriers near Adak, but my naval search has been neutralized. Akagi and Kaga (CarDiv1) will finish upgrading in 3 days and CVL Ryuho will be activated in 2. The Taiyo fighter group with 31 Zekes (from the sunk CVE Taiyo) will also arrive tomorrow. BB Kirishima will complete repairs in 8 days (from a sub attack in June), but I will cut them short, leaving 3 flotation damage, in order to have it available in 3 days. There are also 5 destroyers in Honshu.
All in all, CarDiv1 will be battle ready in 3 days, with 2 CVs, 1 CVL, 1 BB and 5 DDs and it will take about a week to sail to the Aleutians. The 4th Div will wait in Paramushiro-jima, until the cavalry arrives. I only hope to still be holding at least one base until then.
China: More Chinese supply dumbs are destroyed, but this time allied CAP is met over Kukong and Kweiling. We lost 3 Sallies but destroyed 2 P-40Es on the ground. 30 Oscars sweep Changsha and do battle with 29 H81-A3s. Both sides lose 4 fighters.
Philippines: Yes, there is still action here. I left Cebu and the rest of the small islands to fester, until now. 12 Sallies were constantly bombing Cebu for months. 6 Garrison units of regimental size have recently arrived in Honshu. I used 3 of them to land in Cebu. The landing disabled lots of squads and my troops will need a few days of rest before they attack.
4th Fleet: A tank regiment reinforces Kusaie. A naval guard unit will also land in two days, which will bring the total AV to 210. 150 mines are layed in Ponape. Three artillery regiments and the 26th Sentai with 12 Tojos are bought from Manchurian and will arrive at Truk soon.
SE Fleet: Swarms of engineers have recently arrived in this area from Australia and Manchuria. They are put to work immediately, building forts everywhere. Horn Island and Port Moresby now have garrisons (200 and 150 AV respectively). Shortlands is reinforced with a brigade from Tulagi.
5th Fleet: My Kates were not so lucky this time in breaking through the CAP and I lost 8 of them. So, the allied landings in the Aleutians are proceeding without much hindrance at the moment. The 37th Infantry Division landed at Adak Island, while the allied battleships lay waste to the base. I have 65 AV there behind lvl 3 forts. The first deliberate attack failed to even drop them, but disabled 27 SNFL squads. I will lose Adak pretty soon.
Amchitka was also bombarded and invaded the next day by Canadian forces (!), but their strength is not yet known. I have 83 AV behind lvl 3 forts. The bombardment leaves me without any usable airfield in the Aleutians.
Meanwhile, the transport TF carrying the 4th Division is just east of Paramushiro, escorted by CruRon5. I will not send them yet, perhaps not at all. I think there are two American carriers near Adak, but my naval search has been neutralized. Akagi and Kaga (CarDiv1) will finish upgrading in 3 days and CVL Ryuho will be activated in 2. The Taiyo fighter group with 31 Zekes (from the sunk CVE Taiyo) will also arrive tomorrow. BB Kirishima will complete repairs in 8 days (from a sub attack in June), but I will cut them short, leaving 3 flotation damage, in order to have it available in 3 days. There are also 5 destroyers in Honshu.
All in all, CarDiv1 will be battle ready in 3 days, with 2 CVs, 1 CVL, 1 BB and 5 DDs and it will take about a week to sail to the Aleutians. The 4th Div will wait in Paramushiro-jima, until the cavalry arrives. I only hope to still be holding at least one base until then.
China: More Chinese supply dumbs are destroyed, but this time allied CAP is met over Kukong and Kweiling. We lost 3 Sallies but destroyed 2 P-40Es on the ground. 30 Oscars sweep Changsha and do battle with 29 H81-A3s. Both sides lose 4 fighters.
Philippines: Yes, there is still action here. I left Cebu and the rest of the small islands to fester, until now. 12 Sallies were constantly bombing Cebu for months. 6 Garrison units of regimental size have recently arrived in Honshu. I used 3 of them to land in Cebu. The landing disabled lots of squads and my troops will need a few days of rest before they attack.
4th Fleet: A tank regiment reinforces Kusaie. A naval guard unit will also land in two days, which will bring the total AV to 210. 150 mines are layed in Ponape. Three artillery regiments and the 26th Sentai with 12 Tojos are bought from Manchurian and will arrive at Truk soon.
SE Fleet: Swarms of engineers have recently arrived in this area from Australia and Manchuria. They are put to work immediately, building forts everywhere. Horn Island and Port Moresby now have garrisons (200 and 150 AV respectively). Shortlands is reinforced with a brigade from Tulagi.
Oct '42, Olorin (J) vs NY59Giants (A): A wizzard's guide to Australia
Oct 17
5th Fleet: The Japanese garrison at Adak still resist after two more deliberate attacks by the 37th Infantry Division. Forts are completely gone however and fatigue is over 40. If it still holds tomorrow I'd be surprised. The Canadians that landed at Amchitka amount to a brigade (around 160 AV) with artillery support. They are not enough to dislodge my garrison. Allied carriers continue to attack the airfield. The components of CarDiv1 set sail from various ports in the HI and will rendezvous east of Paramushiro-jima in 7 days.
4th Fleet: Efforts to reinforce this AO are ongoing. Kusaie gets a base force with some nice DP guns and other support elements. Reserves are massing in the Marianas. Meanwhile, the daily heavy bomber raids in the Marshalls continue as normal.
Philippines: The 3 garrisons regiments at Cebu are in no condition to attack. I am sending a division from Java to minimize the time spent in this meaningless area and release the ground forces for garrison duties in other areas.
China: 42 Tojos sweep Kumming and are beaten by 25 P-40Es...I lost 9 Tojos, they lost 5. [:@] On the ground, the days of the 3 Chinese Corps' near Kanshien are over.
5th Fleet: The Japanese garrison at Adak still resist after two more deliberate attacks by the 37th Infantry Division. Forts are completely gone however and fatigue is over 40. If it still holds tomorrow I'd be surprised. The Canadians that landed at Amchitka amount to a brigade (around 160 AV) with artillery support. They are not enough to dislodge my garrison. Allied carriers continue to attack the airfield. The components of CarDiv1 set sail from various ports in the HI and will rendezvous east of Paramushiro-jima in 7 days.
4th Fleet: Efforts to reinforce this AO are ongoing. Kusaie gets a base force with some nice DP guns and other support elements. Reserves are massing in the Marianas. Meanwhile, the daily heavy bomber raids in the Marshalls continue as normal.
Philippines: The 3 garrisons regiments at Cebu are in no condition to attack. I am sending a division from Java to minimize the time spent in this meaningless area and release the ground forces for garrison duties in other areas.
China: 42 Tojos sweep Kumming and are beaten by 25 P-40Es...I lost 9 Tojos, they lost 5. [:@] On the ground, the days of the 3 Chinese Corps' near Kanshien are over.