The Accidental War Obvert vs Lowpe

[Bif1961]

33% hits with torpedoes sounds about right against stationary targets. Almost all your Kates carried torpedoes, hitting 43 times out off 130 dropped. However it would be interesting to run the same attack without the float planes and see if the results are the same.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

Interested in your Naval and merchant ship plans - what are you accelerating and stopping ?
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You can't do anything on turn 1; so I haven't given it much thought.

Shinano is a question. Yamoto is too. Scenario 1 so it will take me a while to go thru the list.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

33% hits with torpedoes sounds about right against stationary targets. Almost all your Kates carried torpedoes, hitting 43 times out off 130 dropped. However it would be interesting to run the same attack without the float planes and see if the results are the same.

I think I was getting 18-20 torpedo hits prior to daytime recon; with daytime recon it jumped up to 24 but the runway damage and damaged planes jumped 30 percent.

A lot depends how many 800kg bomb drops there are...the best strike saw 3 BB sunk outright and it had the highest amount of 800 kg bomb drops. Almost all strikes result in 0 BB going down.

[ny59giants]

1EyedJack put the BCs and CAs in TF2 to bombard Pearl with "Remain on Station" to ensure they attacked after the bombing. They did very well in damaging the AF more.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The Japanese Economy at game start. I already spent almost 300,000 supply expanding vehicles and engines.

I want to expand Light Industry in this game. More details coming after turn 1.

Any ideas of where you would expand? Don't think expanding in the Home Islands would help that much as you just have to haul more resources home - thus use more fuel. But perhaps in southern China, Kwangtung or even Luzon might work. Provided you don't have to haul resources there.

In my most recent game, I've expanded LI by a fair margin by April 1942. All expansion was in China or Manchuria. I expanded by at least 470.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

1EyedJack put the BCs and CAs in TF2 to bombard Pearl with "Remain on Station" to ensure they attacked after the bombing. They did very well in damaging the AF more.

I thought of that, but I prefer keeping them with their ammo full for a hopefully meaningful night battle.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The Japanese Economy at game start. I already spent almost 300,000 supply expanding vehicles and engines.

I want to expand Light Industry in this game. More details coming after turn 1.

Any ideas of where you would expand? Don't think expanding in the Home Islands would help that much as you just have to haul more resources home - thus use more fuel. But perhaps in southern China, Kwangtung or even Luzon might work. Provided you don't have to haul resources there.

Korea and Manchuria primarily. I was thinking of approximately 300 points, since this is scenario 1. At present that number is a swag.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Xargun

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The Japanese Economy at game start. I already spent almost 300,000 supply expanding vehicles and engines.

I want to expand Light Industry in this game. More details coming after turn 1.

Any ideas of where you would expand? Don't think expanding in the Home Islands would help that much as you just have to haul more resources home - thus use more fuel. But perhaps in southern China, Kwangtung or even Luzon might work. Provided you don't have to haul resources there.

In my most recent game, I've expanded LI by a fair margin by April 1942. All expansion was in China or Manchuria. I expanded by at least 470.

Is that scenario 1 or 2 style? Reduced cargo loads? Thanks for the input.[&o]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Xargun




Any ideas of where you would expand? Don't think expanding in the Home Islands would help that much as you just have to haul more resources home - thus use more fuel. But perhaps in southern China, Kwangtung or even Luzon might work. Provided you don't have to haul resources there.

In my most recent game, I've expanded LI by a fair margin by April 1942. All expansion was in China or Manchuria. I expanded by at least 470.

Is that scenario 1 or 2 style? Reduced cargo loads? Thanks for the input.[&o]

Scen 2 stock.


Shinano - a CVL with super-BB protection. Do it!

[Xargun]

Is the LI to produce extra supply for local use or will you be exporting it to the Home Islands? I want to understand the reasoning behind increasing it by so much and the logic behind where you picked?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

Is the LI to produce extra supply for local use or will you be exporting it to the Home Islands? I want to understand the reasoning behind increasing it by so much and the logic behind where you picked?

Supply during the endgame is critical....creating extra supply in places that are less likely to be bombed or lost is key.

Just like the air factory in Harbin is critical to make 3rd generation fighters. You will lose it when the Soviets activate, but till then it is pretty safe from the Allies...and this is scenario 1 which means making it deep into the game is difficult.

Converting an armament factory to vehicles in Korea is also pretty sneaky. Saved my bacon in my last game where it produced till the end with 0 losses despite every other HI vehicle factory being destroyed.

[Aurorus]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is a simulation:

Here is a test run of the Pearl Strike with my settings. Normally, I only get around 24 torpedo hits and 100 PBY damage. This time, I put a Jake squadron on night recon of Pearl too.

Amazing number of torpedo hits...

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Magazine explodes on CA San Francisco

Interesting. I put 4 Glens on recon of Pearl Harbor and acheived similar results in my game against 821Bobo. 27 torpedo hits with 3 squadrons carrying torpedos.

BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dewey, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1
AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Approximately the same hit ratio. You got 43 hits on 130 torpedoes. I got 27 hits on 72 torpedoes.

[Xargun]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Supply during the endgame is critical....creating extra supply in places that are less likely to be bombed or lost is key.

ok - so will you haul it to the Home Islands, or simply won't need to move as much from Japan to those areas - basically the same thing. But one uses fuel and one doesn't.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Just like the air factory in Harbin is critical to make 3rd generation fighters. You will lose it when the Soviets activate, but till then it is pretty safe from the Allies...and this is scenario 1 which means making it deep into the game is difficult.

Converting an armament factory to vehicles in Korea is also pretty sneaky. Saved my bacon in my last game where it produced till the end with 0 losses despite every other HI vehicle factory being destroyed.

Interesting. Never thought of the Vehicle factory. Are vehicles really important / short supply in 44 and 45 ?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Aurorus

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

This is a simulation:

Here is a test run of the Pearl Strike with my settings. Normally, I only get around 24 torpedo hits and 100 PBY damage. This time, I put a Jake squadron on night recon of Pearl too.

Amazing number of torpedo hits...

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Magazine explodes on CA San Francisco

Interesting. I put 4 Glens on recon of Pearl Harbor and acheived similar results in my game against 821Bobo. 27 torpedo hits with 3 squadrons carrying torpedos.

BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dewey, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AV Curtiss, Torpedo hits 1
AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AD Whitney, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Approximately the same hit ratio. You got 43 hits on 130 torpedoes. I got 27 hits on 72 torpedoes.

4 skilled recon pilots will get you 9/10 DL, but we don't have skilled recon pilots here...so if I could do it again I would put many more on recon.

[Aurorus]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe


4 skilled recon pilots will get you 9/10 DL, but we don't have skilled recon pilots here...so if I could do it again I would put many more on recon.

Unfortunately, you cannot. Any changes that you make to the pilots in your squadrons on Dec. 7th will not take effect until Dec. 8th. Try, for example, to form up all your best pilots into the Oscar squadrons and then sweep Georgetown with the IIBs, which I did in my latest game. When I review the pilots the next day, I see that Nate pilots, who were swapped out of the Oscar squadron had kills, but the new pilots brought in did not.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Xargun

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Supply during the endgame is critical....creating extra supply in places that are less likely to be bombed or lost is key.

ok - so will you haul it to the Home Islands, or simply won't need to move as much from Japan to those areas - basically the same thing. But one uses fuel and one doesn't.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Just like the air factory in Harbin is critical to make 3rd generation fighters. You will lose it when the Soviets activate, but till then it is pretty safe from the Allies...and this is scenario 1 which means making it deep into the game is difficult.

Converting an armament factory to vehicles in Korea is also pretty sneaky. Saved my bacon in my last game where it produced till the end with 0 losses despite every other HI vehicle factory being destroyed.

Interesting. Never thought of the Vehicle factory. Are vehicles really important / short supply in 44 and 45 ?

Every game is different. Here I am up against an expert Japanese player...he won't make assumptions and know what the weak spots of Japan are.

The medium tank upgrade in 6/44 is critical. Having the pools to fill your regiments and divisions even more so. Rebuilding a tank division is extremely expensive...but running short on medium tanks will really hamstring your defense.

Hopefully, the 300 supply in Korea and Manchuria will mean less supply trips to China, but with a three hex range basically is close to statistically meaningless in the larger scope of things. So, if the game develops I have to ship it in, so be it. I should be able manage fuel better than supply for the endgame.

[Xargun]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Every game is different. Here I am up against an expert Japanese player...he won't make assumptions and know what the weak spots of Japan are.

The medium tank upgrade in 6/44 is critical. Having the pools to fill your regiments and divisions even more so. Rebuilding a tank division is extremely expensive...but running short on medium tanks will really hamstring your defense.

Hopefully, the 300 supply in Korea and Manchuria will mean less supply trips to China, but with a three hex range basically is close to statistically meaningless in the larger scope of things. So, if the game develops I have to ship it in, so be it. I should be able manage fuel better than supply for the endgame.

I need to finish a game into 45 so I have some experience.. I feel like such a noob concerning the end game. I have great ideas / plans for the first couple years, but am flying blind when dealing with 44 or 45.

[Lowpe]

Every Allied player is different, and different from game to game.

So you do get experience from playing at the end, but what is important in one game might not be in the next.

[Lowpe]

IJN Infantry Formations

I really like these guys, and when I can I will be buying them out and replacing them with other troops for garrison duty in China.

The Ankei SNLF is pretty unique in that they have 2 40mm Bofors, the second generation ones, which are darn near the best AA guns Japan has (but don't get access to till very late in 1945).

In addition they must get Tank Hunting Heroes or something in 1943 as their hard attack gets a boost -- and we all know the Allies love atoll invasions with tanks.

[Lowpe]

Major Free units at start: