Walking in Allied Shoes (BtS Lite - Kitakami vs. John 3rd)

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John has played the Allies before, but never done an AAR. He is truly a JFB through and through. [&o]
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More thoughts.....

CommonWealth (CW) troops - The British, Indian, Australian, and New Zealanders all share a common pool of devices once you get past their infantry squads. You will need to be careful when it comes to whom gets what when it comes to artillery (including the 4.2" mortars), AA, AT, and combat engineers. You will need to go in and click "Y" when it comes to stockpiling devices. You will need to divide your divisions and upgrade them one at time until all three are upgraded infantry squad wise. That is why the stockpile option needs to be to Y for many devices as 1 of 3 will upgrade a device and make it impossible to recombine. Been there done that too many times to count. [:-]

When it come to troops like the Indian divisions and brigades, many start at 20 experience and about the same when it comes to morale. Thus, their adjusted Assault Value is halved until they hit the 50 experience level. They are very fragile and brittle until they get the needed experience and the '42 squads come in. The '43 infantry squads have major increase in Anti-Armor value and they truly become beast against Japanese armor. The secret to getting moral and experience levels up is getting their prep up to 100% with a quality leader (see "Leader" document for details). If you are going to change the base to prep for a particular LCU, do it early and don't go chasing after different bases as Japan advances into Burma and parts of India.

Garrison device - Go in and click "Y" to stockpile this device. If not some static BF will be forced to retreat into some clear terrain and suck up one of these device. Thus, it will plants roots in a clear terrain never to be moved or be helpful ever again. [:-] Had this happen once when Australia was overrun down to the Emergency Reinforcement line. [:(]
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Dutch BFs - I use PP on them and try to get a fragment to Australia via PBYs to rebuild. As Allies, you never have enough Aviation Support.

Ledo, India - If japan does not make a major effort into India, this base is important to lift in supply to western China via all those C-47s you will get. That big AA Bde that comes into Ceylon goes here. 72 heavy AA guns make this base costly for Japan to bomb on regular basis. [:D]

China - Try to defend in the hexes that have two things - low stacking limits and x3 terrain. Bases/hexes with high stacking limits favors Japan.

American air groups for first 6 months will have lots of withdrawl and/or disband request. Save the pilots and, if possible, upgrade to more obsolete airframes. I even do this by using the Airframe Purchase System.

Maybe not noticeable until '43, but the B-24s and some other 4e beasties will get more and more power gun turrets. This comes from Big B's mod, so you should be more effective in them going in without escorts.

Speaking of 4e beasties, I've found that you can send them on back-to-back missions, but once they go more than this, when you rest/stand down you pay a price. It can easily go 14 days or more to have the group repair and be fully available for missions again.
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Dutch BFs - I use PP on them and try to get a fragment to Australia via PBYs to rebuild. As Allies, you never have enough Aviation Support.

***** I will try to do this. Never have before.

Ledo, India - If japan does not make a major effort into India, this base is important to lift in supply to western China via all those C-47s you will get. That big AA Bde that comes into Ceylon goes here. 72 heavy AA guns make this base costly for Japan to bomb on regular basis. [:D]

***** I have sent what I can to Ledo and the two bases that chain to it, to increase airfield size so supply flows there. I will send every available cargo plane there, yes.

China - Try to defend in the hexes that have two things - low stacking limits and x3 terrain. Bases/hexes with high stacking limits favors Japan.

***** I have started the Alfred defense in China. We will see how it goes.

American air groups for first 6 months will have lots of withdrawl and/or disband request. Save the pilots and, if possible, upgrade to more obsolete airframes. I even do this by using the Airframe Purchase System.

***** I had not considered purchasing outdated airframes to downgrade withdrawals. You have a good point.

Maybe not noticeable until '43, but the B-24s and some other 4e beasties will get more and more power gun turrets. This comes from Big B's mod, so you should be more effective in them going in without escorts.

***** USAAF 4E bombers are beasts, yes. I intend to use them strategically and hurt Japanese economy as much as I can with them.

Speaking of 4e beasties, I've found that you can send them on back-to-back missions, but once they go more than this, when you rest/stand down you pay a price. It can easily go 14 days or more to have the group repair and be fully available for missions again.

***** Aye, you can't strat bomb every day with impunity. But they are very good at what they do.
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants
CommonWealth (CW) troops - The British, Indian, Australian, and New Zealanders all share a common pool of devices once you get past their infantry squads. You will need to be careful when it comes to whom gets what when it comes to artillery (including the 4.2" mortars), AA, AT, and combat engineers. You will need to go in and click "Y" when it comes to stockpiling devices. You will need to divide your divisions and upgrade them one at time until all three are upgraded infantry squad wise. That is why the stockpile option needs to be to Y for many devices as 1 of 3 will upgrade a device and make it impossible to recombine. Been there done that too many times to count. [:-]

When it come to troops like the Indian divisions and brigades, many start at 20 experience and about the same when it comes to morale. Thus, their adjusted Assault Value is halved until they hit the 50 experience level. They are very fragile and brittle until they get the needed experience and the '42 squads come in. The '43 infantry squads have major increase in Anti-Armor value and they truly become beast against Japanese armor. The secret to getting moral and experience levels up is getting their prep up to 100% with a quality leader (see "Leader" document for details). If you are going to change the base to prep for a particular LCU, do it early and don't go chasing after different bases as Japan advances into Burma and parts of India.

***** Can you please explain this in a bit more detail, please? I am not grasping all of what you are saying.

Garrison device - Go in and click "Y" to stockpile this device. If not some static BF will be forced to retreat into some clear terrain and suck up one of these device. Thus, it will plants roots in a clear terrain never to be moved or be helpful ever again. [:-] Had this happen once when Australia was overrun down to the Emergency Reinforcement line. [:(]

***** Great point!
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Ok... report for 1941, Dec 8th:

John behaved as I hoped he would, just as he did in our trial game: After the surprise port attacks, he sent fighter sweeps to Manila and Pearl on the 8th. I was in no position to challenge them... low morale, damaged air rames, damaged airstrips... so I didn't. I left the fighters on the ground. He did not send bombers in, so I gained a 1-day respite which, worst-case, will give me a few more planes for the coming turn. I do consider it a minor victory, as the name of the game is delay, delay, delay and, when in doubt, attempt to delay.

Very few of my torpedo planes flew from Singapore. All had naval attack night orders. There was a big fat surface TF nearby, and it was not attacked. Still, an interesting exercise. Since there has been no attack on Kota Bharu, and since there is a small IJN cover force in Mersing, I guess the Mersing gambit is on in 1-2 days. Thus, the torpedo planes remain on night watch and so are the naval search patrols.

The USN cruiser force in the Philippines consisting of two CAs, a CL, and half a dozen destroyers engaged BC Chichibu, two good CLs and a few DDs. In a minor Japanese victory, I lost a CA and a DD, and Japan may have lost a DD, and a CL might have been disabled. I do not think he will pursue, but the possibility exists. I need to think long and hard about that one.

The rest is about as expected with the exception of air losses (as reported by Tracker):

- A6M2: 15
- F1M2: 11
- G3M2: 11
- B5N2: 8
- G4M1: 8
- Ki-48-Ib: 7
- D3A1: 6
- Ki-36: 5
- Ki-21: 2
- Ki-57-I:2
- E14A1: 1
- L3Y2: 1
- Ki-15-II: 1
- Ki-27b:1
Japanese airframe loss total: 79

- P40B: 10
- Hudson: 9
- Blenheim I: 5
- OS2U-3 5 (including 4 from the heavy cruiser lost)
- Buffalo: 4
- P40E: 8
- Wirraway: 4
- O-47A: 4
- Stearman 75M: 4
- Do-24K-1: 3
- B-17D: 3
- P-36A: 3
- PBY-5: 3
- Walrus II: 2
- Vildebeest III: 2
- PBY-4: 2
- DC-2: 1
- Blenheim IV: 1
- Swordfish I: 1
- B-18A: 1
- C-33:1
- SBD-1: 1
- SOC-1: 1
Allied airframe loss total: 78

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Once a unit gets to 100 prep points, their experience and morale improves. I don't know about their morals, however.
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.

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Once a unit gets to 100 prep points, their experience and morale improves. I don't know about their morals, however.

"All is fair in love and war"?
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Once a unit gets to 100 prep points, their experience and morale improves. I don't know about their morals, however.

"All is fair in love and war"?

Yes, not to mention that they finally get to go on I & I breaks. That is, Intoxication & Intercourse breaks . . . [8D]
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If you are questioning about the upgrade routine, this the point ny59giants has made: When you have a unit which can be split in three, usually a division, the best and fast mode of upgrade it is spliting it on three and upgrading them one after one. Problem is, to recombine those subunits, ALL three must be upgraded, so, if one portion has 25'', but the others are still using old 18'', you won't be unable to recombine them.

nd thats when stockpiling comes handy: You want to upgrade one indian division:

1.-You click in the devices pool to stockpile all the devices that unit use.
2.-You split the division in three.
3.-When you got stockpiled enough devices of all types which can be upgraded at one subuint, des-stockpile and allow upgrade of that subunit.
4.- In a couple of days, this one will got new devices, and old ones are back to the pools.
5.- Mark that unit "not to upgrad".
6.-Go to 1.
7.- Repeat till you can recombine the division.

Usually, squad devices are the easiest to upgrade, because when you do it, the "old ones", became the new ones, doubling the number of those squad devices.


Edit: Whats the Alfred plan for China?

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ORIGINAL: traskott
If you are questioning about the upgrade routine, this the point ny59giants has made: When you have a unit which can be split in three, usually a division, the best and fast mode of upgrade it is spliting it on three and upgrading them one after one. Problem is, to recombine those subunits, ALL three must be upgraded, so, if one portion has 25'', but the others are still using old 18'', you won't be unable to recombine them.

And thats when stockpiling comes handy: You want to upgrade one indian division:

1.-You click in the devices pool to stockpile all the devices that unit use.
2.-You split the division in three.
3.-When you got stockpiled enough devices of all types which can be upgraded at one subuint, de-stockpile and allow upgrade of that subunit.
4.- In a couple of days, this one will got new devices, and old ones are back to the pools.
5.- Mark that unit "not to upgrade".
6.-Go to 1.
7.- Repeat till you can recombine the division.

Usually, squad devices are the easiest to upgrade, because when you do it, the "old ones", became the new ones, doubling the number of those squad devices.


Edit: Whats the Alfred plan for China?

Thanks.

Thank you very much! Explained at such low level, even I can understand it.

A number of years ago, Alfred posted his thoughts on how to play China as the Allies. His premise is based on moving immediately to non-clear, low-capacity hexes, most of them astride main roads/railroads. I am sure you can still find it on the boards. I am trying to follow his strategy.
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Edit: Whats the Alfred plan for China?

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Ok... report for 1941, Dec 9th:

- The USN cruiser force from the Philippines evaded combat and is trying to escape the death trap. I do not know if I will be able to or not, but I will definitely try.

- Japanese paras were dropped as to stop strategic movement to Singapore. They fell on top a number of units, so they did not take the hex. I have put all available fighters on LR CAP, and there is a heavy AA unit there. Hopefully airborne reinforcements will be greatly damaged... and so will transports. I am still expecting a Mersing invasion.

- Airframe loss balance last turn was terrible:
--- Manila: 2 A6M2 for 11 P-40.
--- Pearl Harbor: 9 A6M2 for 7 P-36, 5 P-40B, 3 F2A-3
- Pearl was not terrible, but Manila definitely was. Total airframe losses for the day were 47 Japanese, 74 Allied according to tracker. Fighter losses were 28 A6M2 for 25 P-40B, 22 P-40E, 17 P-36A, 9 F2A-3. 28 fighters vs 73. At least some of my pilots will get back to the fray, whereas all of his are toast.
- I will have to find a way to reinforce Pearl with Fighters.

- The thundering herd is being destroyed. At least the TKs were full of fuel, and that fuel will not be used against me. Most xAPs from the DEI left safely, as well as many tankers.

- Palembang was invaded and I think it will be taken this coming turn. I expected this, as I was almost able to reinforce it on our trial run. Nothing I could do to stop it, I think.

Not much I can do right now but to try to get a few punches in where I can. There are a couple I am working on, we will see if they work. John will see the turn tonight, and reply in the morning probably. We will see how things went.
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Ok...

John sent me the 001 file this morning. He ways it took him 1.5 hours to run! The turn will get here either tonight or tomorrow morning.

Salient points:

- I did not notice that two Japanese AMCs were redeployed to a position SW of Australia, and they caught an unescorted convoy bound for Capetown. Will have to check starting raider positions before I run the next turn.

- The Thundering Herd is still being decimated. Not much of it left.

- The Philippine Cruiser Force (or what is left of it) is still at large. If it pulls 1-2 IJN TF away from where the main action is, it might help a bit.

- The Japanese paras are still there. I started sending reinforcements last turn, and I will need them to clear the hex. It was a fur-ball in the air, but I do not know just how much. AAA did their thing, damaging a number of Ki-57-Is.

- Palembang was taken. Nothing I could do.

- Singkawang was invaded. It will fall soon.

- Hong Kong was bombarded by the IJA.

- North Luzon was finally invaded by Japan.

- I did not fly CAP over either Pearl Harbor or Manila. Both were swept by large numbers of A6M2s.
--- I did fly all my 4E bombers from Pearl on naval attack. They targeted the Japanese carriers, but got no hits. Lost some planes, got a few zeroes. But I hope John now keeps some of his A6M2s on CAP.
--- The training fighters did fly against unescorted bombers in Manila. Got about half a dozen, I think. I need the turn to see how things really stand.

- I sent a reinforced Force Z to cover Batavia. It first encountered 5 IJN DDs and sunk 3. Later, it encountered an IJN cruiser force. One of my BCs was badly mauled, as were 2-3 DDs. I will know more when I get the turn.

Hopefully the use of 4E on naval attack plus the sortie of the RN fleet will slow the tempo a bit. I say hopefully because most of the time I have no idea what I am doing.

As usual, any and all comments and suggestions are welcome!
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Do yo have any ideas why he is losing so many F1M2 float planes?
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Do yo have any ideas why he is losing so many F1M2 float planes?

He used them as fighters. I think he learned his lesson. If not, I won't complain :)
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That might work against Cats used in naval attacks at low altitude but they are meat for anything else.
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I caught a cold/flu. Seems not to be of the Corona kind, as I have no fever and my blood O2 levels are good. Still, I feel like I am ready to go into the great beyond. I sent yesterday's turn back this afternoon, but I will have to update things here tomorrow.
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That happens to the Allied player in every early game. However, seriously I hope you get rest, fluids and meds.
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