Thunder in the East - GC41 NEE K62 (A) vs AtAtack (S)

[Jango32]

AtAtack should really consider using 60 000 to 100 000 Soviets per counterattack and supply priority 4 for the entire Red Army to be honest. Also, absolutely ruthless ground support per attack.

EDIT: also sacrifice trash units to damage/chip away at Axis units. Or use them as speedbumps.

[EwaldvonKleist]

Soviet OOB also is really low. You have done a good job of draining them of units. So they rarely have critical mass to attack.

[Zebtucker12]

How are the wins for the soviets will they be getting any guards?

[K62_]

How are the wins for the soviets will they be getting any guards?

The Soviets have about 40 wins by this point in the game but I am not sure how they are distributed.

[K62_]

The rain continues in the AGN area:

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It is expected to reach past Moscow next turn:

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[K62_]

AGN reduces the pockets from last turn and surrounds Pskov, but is otherwise unable to advance much. It looks like the Soviets have established a new line of defense with reserve divisions:

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[K62_]

This is actually good news for AGC, which is about to start Operation Typhoon, taking advantage of the good weather. Those reserve divisions at Leningrad will mean fewer lines of defense in front of Moscow.

PG3 start line:

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PG2 start line:

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Heinrici takes Orel in preparation in order to clear the supply lines:

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[K62_]

Guderian blows a hole in the Soviet lines between Kaluga and Tula. SS Wiking is at the spearhead and manages to cross the Oka and Nara rivers. Only clear terrain left in front of the Moskva river!

Hoth punches in from the west and meets Guderian behind Kaluga, surrounding a large pocket of 13 divisions. Two more Soviet divisions are pocketed on the way to Vyazma, and another dozen get ZOC locked.

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[K62_]

Kleist's northern prong advances against light opposition and makes it a good part of the way towards Kharkov and Stalino, getting behind D-town in the process:

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The southern prong routs the opposition and closes the pocket around D-town and Z-town, reaching the Sea of Azov in the process. In the Kherson area the Soviets have pulled back to the Crimea defenses, leaving a couple of stragglers behind. The Romanian mobile forces advance to surround them.

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[K62_]

The Soviets lose half their remaining on-map tanks this turn and also end up below 4M men total.

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[tm1]

This is actually good news for AGC, which is about to start Operation Typhoon, taking advantage of the good weather. Those reserve divisions at Leningrad will mean fewer lines of defense in front of Moscow.

PG3 start line:
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PG2 start line:
map guderian begin.JPG

Heinrici takes Orel in preparation in order to clear the supply lines:
battle orel.JPG

I see that in your Vyazma operation you have part of 2nd Armee there ? Me 2nd Armee is always covering both 4th Armee and 2nd Pz Armee Southern flank for the drive on Orel of course I play PVE so the AI does not care who it is.

cheers

[Veterin]

Guderian blows a hole in the Soviet lines between Kaluga and Tula. SS Wiking is at the spearhead and manages to cross the Oka and Nara rivers. Only clear terrain left in front of the Moskva river!

Hoth punches in from the west and meets Guderian behind Kaluga, surrounding a large pocket of 13 divisions. Two more Soviet divisions are pocketed on the way to Vyazma, and another dozen get ZOC locked.

map agc end.JPG

Impressive offensive - getting close to Moscow with some large pockets along the way!

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Guderian blows a hole in the Soviet lines between Kaluga and Tula. SS Wiking is at the spearhead and manages to cross the Oka and Nara rivers. Only clear terrain left in front of the Moskva river!

Hoth punches in from the west and meets Guderian behind Kaluga, surrounding a large pocket of 13 divisions. Two more Soviet divisions are pocketed on the way to Vyazma, and another dozen get ZOC locked.

map agc end.JPG

T7 and close to Moscow.


YIKES!!!

[PeteJC]

Temporary motorization? Not in any game that I'll ever play. To this day I don't understand how anyone ever thought that this was a good idea.

Just curious, do you make it a habit of mentioning this on all AARs that use some form of temporary motorization, or is this one somehow special?

No, this one is not special. If I see it in a game, if commenting at all, I will say the same thing. But, have at it, it's just an opinion of one.

M60 - do you feel it is gamey and/or people take advantage of it or do you think it is not a smart thing to do?

[M60A3TTS]

Just curious, do you make it a habit of mentioning this on all AARs that use some form of temporary motorization, or is this one somehow special?

No, this one is not special. If I see it in a game, if commenting at all, I will say the same thing. But, have at it, it's just an opinion of one.

M60 - do you feel it is gamey and/or people take advantage of it or do you think it is not a smart thing to do?

Yes, it's gamey IMO but both sides agreed to it, so no harm no foul.

That said, it's perfectly obvious K62 doesn't need it at all. There are the little signs like him knowing that on T1 Przemysl East is the toughest nut to crack, flying supplies to forward airbases to fuel the panzers on the march, leaving a space open for the Tallinn garrison to retreat to so it can be killed and not escape. Then there are the big things like the ZOC locking skills in clear evidence. Very top level play.

It's questionable how much of this is a skill mismatch but if it were a standard game, you wouldn't be too smart betting on the Soviet player to avoid defeat. Sure, it's not far into the game, but all the signs are there. Since it is NEE, if the Soviet player guts it out, it would be interesting to see how things develop. It could be the greatest epic turnaround since Wolf and the Bear of WitE1 days, but I tend to doubt it. The manpower production for the Soviets isn't as powerful in this game.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

@K62

I just have to know.

You changed your picture(Avatar) a little bit ago to Sherman.

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Sherman of course took and burned Atlanta and marched to the sea devastating the South. Now the question, did you change your picture(Avatar) before you did your march on Moscow? If you did, the Sherman Avatar sure has brought you good luck . The forum would love to know, but of course me more so

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Now what would be truly mind boggling would be a march to the Sea of Japan after Moscow's capture...

[EwaldvonKleist]

There are the little signs like him knowing that on T1 Przemysl East is the toughest nut to crack, flying supplies to forward airbases to fuel the panzers on the march, leaving a space open for the Tallinn garrison to retreat to so it can be killed and not escape. Then there are the big things like the ZOC locking skills in clear evidence. Very top level play.

Agreed. Very nice ZOC locks for later encirclement, good ZOC layers for stable pocket walls, good use of terrain/rivers to increase strength of pocket walls. Regular ZOC locks for forces inside pocket so they can't maneuver/counterattack. Panzer forces kept together for critical mass that allows pockets. Logistics that support fighting at Tula T7. Strong T1 air action. I think this may actually be a recent game that sees Leningrad/Moscow/Rostov captured at the same time, if it continues unitl then.

[K62_]

I see that in your Vyazma operation you have part of 2nd Armee there ? Me 2nd Armee is always covering both 4th Armee and 2nd Pz Armee Southern flank for the drive on Orel of course I play PVE so the AI does not care who it is.

cheers

My 2nd Army is initially a grab bag of laggards for AGC and AGS and as such ends up all over the map. Eventually it should settle close to its historical sector, where it advanced as far as Yelets IRL.

[K62_]

Since it is NEE, if the Soviet player guts it out, it would be interesting to see how things develop. It could be the greatest epic turnaround since Wolf and the Bear of WitE1 days, but I tend to doubt it. The manpower production for the Soviets isn't as powerful in this game.

Wolf and the Bear would be scored as a Major Axis Victory on the WitE2 scale. I would definitely take that! My pockets are not nearly as epic though.

[K62_]

I just have to know.

You changed your picture(Avatar) a little bit ago to Sherman.

Sherman of course took and burned Atlanta and marched to the sea devastating the South.

I just want to make Soviet Georgia howl! Evicting their favorite son from the Kremlin should probably do it.