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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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"Shattered Sword" contains a very detailed description of damage control doctrine, systems, and techniques as they pertained to Japanese aircraft carriers as well as an analysis of the construction of each of the Japanese carriers lost at Midway with an eye to how that construction contributed to their demise. It also compares/contrasts many of the doctrines, systems, and techniques of the IJN, USN and RN as they pertain to carrier operations, damage control and survivability. Recommended reading.

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Damage control in general was more developed in the USN vs the IJN however both sides still had lessons to learn, particularily in regards to carrier ops. Lexington's loss was one of those lessons that almost had to learned the hard way. The Loss of Lexington did help future damage control operations thus a bonus rule to DC would be partially dependant on game experience. (the wargame in question) Unfortunately this can be a hard thing to do code wise and different approaches have been tried. Off the top of my head, i recall that for the tactical wargame "Carrier Force" Gary accounted for the fact that the Coral Sea scenario being the first "CV vs CV" battle, all plane assets were accessed a -1 modifyer to their attack and defense rolls. Subsequent scenarios eliminated this penalty to reflect past battle experience.

In addition to Shattered Sword, Peattie's "Sunburst" also well covers Japanese carrier design and doctrinal focus. I recommend both.

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booze related or not???? [:D]
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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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The dumbest?

Sending my crack CVs against allied CVs with all my zeros on Naval attack and my Kates and Vals on training[:(][:(].....
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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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Just happened: Sortie of RN from Surabaya in order to shoot-up small Jap landing at Menando - no serious opposition expected, but...

Night Time Surface Combat at 35,63

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 1
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku
CV Akagi
BB Hiei, Shell hits 5
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 2
CA Tone, Shell hits 12
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 5
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Akigumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kagero, Shell hits 21, on fire, heavy damage
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Shiranuhi, Shell hits 2
DD Urakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze
DD Arare
DD Kasumi

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 2
BC Repulse, Shell hits 8
CL Danae, Shell hits 1
CL Dragon
CL Durban, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
DD Vampire, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
DD Vendetta, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
DD Scout, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Stronghold
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Thanet, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Electra
DD Express, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Jupiter

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Day Air attack on TF at 34,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 33
D3A Val x 92
B5N Kate x 93

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
BC Repulse, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae
CL Dragon, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Stronghold
DD Thanet

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Day Air attack on TF at 34,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
D3A Val x 21

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on TF at 34,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
B5N Kate x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Danae

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Day Air attack on TF at 35,64

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 21
B5N Kate x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CL Durban, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tenedos, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



Well, never sail when you don't know the whereabouts of KB - so much for hit-and-run, from now on I'll stick to run-and-hide...
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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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Ok as Shinano i made a mistake 4 torpedos got her... as for those missing equipment[:)] i think the Hatches were missing[:D]
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Letting all my West Coast units fill up with replacements before realizing how much it costs to transfer commands.
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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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Every PBEM turn I make I wonder if I'll have something to post on this thread.[:D]

Been pretty fortunate so far. Of course then again actually figuring out which is THE dumbest thing I've done is pretty difficult.
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RE: The Dumbest thing you ever did in WitP

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Ok another funny thing me and Spruence restarted the game and i think there is some kind of Course over my head... for the secound time my Zeros from Saigon didn't fly escort with Nells to Singapore alrught they were set to do so...[:D]
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