Mus, so you're saying in cases like Malta, the PAVNPT won't even work? I think I see why. Hmmmm... so if the Papal States disappear into bigger nations, who gets to form a "Papal States Protectorate"? The first player holding one of the provinces to declare a protectorate?
Papal States protectorate already exists. Malta is now a Spanish conquered minor but still has the Papal States flag.
I don't believe it is possible for a protectorate to be formed by Spain that includes malta. If he scrolls down the list to Papal States it should be flagged as an Austrian Protectorate.
I raised this as a complaint earlier, and basically the response was to give each province an individual identity that could be manipulated would be too much work.
I am not a programmer, but it seems it should be easy enough to create a Spanish-Papal States protectorate (i.e. Papal States protectorate flag backed by Spanish flag) and to form an Austrian-Papal States protectorate (i.e. Papal States protectorate flag backed by an Austrian flag).
However, I must defer to the programmer on this! He's already put in a ton of great work on the game and I can't expect everything in a game. [&o] What we need is 100,000 buyers!
It has become obvious to me that truly great games are built over three, four, even five releases! For instance, they didn't build Sims 3 in a day!
What we need to do is make sure all of our friends and friends of our friends hear about this game and buy it so that we can have it (and its relatives) around for a LONG, LONG time.
From, the Earl of Evenwood; 1st Minister & Foreign Secretary to his Majesty King George III.
To, the Czar of all the Russias, or his Minister with Portfolio for Foreign affairs.
Recently there has been a veritable outpouring from the Court at Versailles of what, if you will excuse the somewhat uncouth nature of the expression, amounts to little more than Verbal diarrhoea.
It has already been pointed out to Louis Bourbon and his Court that internal matters relating to Germany, and in particular those of the German Rhineland are of no concern to France and will be dealt with as is seen fit my those who, by virtue of membership of, or position of Authority within, the Holy Roman Empire have due charge and obligation to do so.
It is therefore of grave concern to his Majesties Government that it would appear from the above mentioned French verbiage, that Russia is to intervene on behalf of France in these internal German matters, to wit, for non-compliance with French whims, France is threatening Prussia with Russian armies to, and I quote, “punish”, Prussia, for that non-compliance.
I therefore feel obliged to advise you that should any such action be taken by Russia on behalf of Louis Bourbons territorial ambitions in Germany, then this Government would support Prussia with the utmost vigour, to include both direct Military intervention & blockade of Russian ports.
His Majesties Privy Council & I earnestly hopes that Russia will rethink its stance over support for the naked self serving ambition of French foreign policy and the personal delusions of Louis Bourbon and stand down with regard to any intervention in the affairs of Prussia.
Should the Czar or his ministers feel that England can in any way help with whatever rift has occurred between Russia & Prussia, then we stand ready to offer whatever Diplomatic help in resolving those matters should be deemed appropriate by both parties.
Your respectful Servant.
Evenwood.
1st Minister & Foreign Secretary to King George III
Ta everso, problem is using the phrase "the Czar or his Ministers" has triggered the lyrics ("and" in the song) to the Stones "Sympathy for Devil" so I'll probably be singing that all night at work now!
While it can be argued that Prussia has a say in German affairs, the sovereign Princes of Germany are by no means their pawn, and France has long held claims to the west bank of the Rhine, as indeed my great ancestor, Louis XIV made clear with his "reunions" and claims which stretched from the Bishopric of Cologne in the north to the Palatinate in the south.
France MAY consider this matter settled with:
1. French occupation of all German lands west of the Rhine.
2. Undisputed French control of Baden and Wuerttemberg.
3. The British and Prussian promise to leave unoccupied all remaining neutral Germanic lands.
4. The Prussian liberation of Westphalia with a subsequent French occupation.
5. The Prussian cession of three of her eastern provinces to Russia.
6. Prussian demobilization by a self imposed disbanding of 50% of her divisions.
7. A Prussian agreement to keep all of her armies EAST of the Elbe and inside of Prussia for a period of 2 years.
In any case, upon invasion of Prussia, any members in alliance with France will be urged to treat the royal domains and palaces within Prussia with utmost respect and the lives and security of the Hohenzollern royal family will be our highest priority.
The matter of Prussia's underhanded dealings with Britain, which other parties working to remove Britain from Germany discovered and brought to French attention, have terribly disillusioned the court at Versailles and in other corners of Europe. In fact, immediately after the rumors surfaced, Versailles scrambled and went to extreme lengths to assure her allies that Prussia could not possibly be colluding with London as the rumors pointed out--believing Berlin's claim that no secret deal had been inked with Britain! However, much to the emberassment of Berlin AND Versailles, the following month the plain facts were revealed when a French spy working in the kitchen of the palace at Sansoucci in Potsdam in fact discovered the empty envelope on whose cover was written, "Britain pays Prussia 300 gold under the terms of Copenhagen II SECRET TREATY". Perhaps if Prussia would have admitted it to Versailles upon initial discovery and Versailles wouldn't have worked so hard to defend a turncoat against IMMEDIATE action from Russia, this situation would not have boiled over, much to the detriment of Britain and Prussia.
It was a plan to make sure Prussia gained control over Bavaria which put France and Austria in an awkward situation and may have resulted in the Austrian surrender 9 months ago. France does not sacrifice the positive relations with our neighbors lightly.
The saying "with friends like this, who needs enemies" certainly rings true here. France is better of knowing that Prussia is a British ally than wondering where Prussia stands at all times--one month allowing movements across her territory into Germany for my allies to go to war with Britain and the next month making those very allies fear of traps being set for them.
Again, France would like to remind all of Europe that Britain declared war on France without any kind of provocation. In fact, French fleets were withdrawn to the Mediterranean and huddled with Spanish ships for protection against surprise attack, when shortly thereafter war was declared. And now, Britain must consider what to do with the treaty points which France has surrendered to her. There will be no justice for the victims of British aggression in Europe. Mark my words. Every nation leading Britain in glory will be taken down one by one by one by one. When is Spain on your list dear sirs?
Posted as Villars: I have no problem with any style of Timurlain's play and I am sure his dealings in a game like this have absolutely no reflection on his character as an individual in real life! We are all here to have fun. Nothing more.
Turn 32 slightly delayed: When I tried to combine the turns, I realized there was a problem with the .sve file sent by good King Louis of France. Marshall Villars, please resend when possible (same request sent via email). Thanks.
I am not a programmer, but it seems it should be easy enough to create a Spanish-Papal States protectorate (i.e. Papal States protectorate flag backed by Spanish flag) and to form an Austrian-Papal States protectorate (i.e. Papal States protectorate flag backed by an Austrian flag).
Perhaps, but we don't seem to have that kind of functionality now. I don't think your proposal would work with any entity that was split.
Concerning the PAVNPT, perhaps it should be modified to allowing only the transfer of WHOLE protectorates then? I don't know. Or perhaps we are truly out in vanilla land on that whole issue again. Bavaria and the Papal States are simply too problematic to be handing back and forth whole. It doesn't even make any sense. Especially with the Papal States.
Guys, it is also VERY important that if you discover ANY problems in the game technically, that you let me know. I mean anything which even feels like a bug.
@Mus, did you ever get a good answer on the protectorate/population issue?
@anyone...has anyone noticed that on the development advisor it indicates that your people will require X amount of food, but on the supply tab the amount of food eaten by your people is generally MUCH less?
>> @anyone...has anyone noticed that on the development advisor it indicates that your people will require X amount of food, but on the supply tab the amount of food eaten by your people is generally MUCH less? <<
Guys, it is also VERY important that if you discover ANY problems in the game technically, that you let me know. I mean anything which even feels like a bug.
@Mus, did you ever get a good answer on the protectorate/population issue?
@anyone...has anyone noticed that on the development advisor it indicates that your people will require X amount of food, but on the supply tab the amount of food eaten by your people is generally MUCH less?
The population bug had to do with any kind of split entity, not just protectorates. The holder of the capital is billed for the population, even though he doesn't have access to them. AFAIK last I heard it was confirmed as a bug, and Eric was going to be looking at it more closely to see if there was a fix.
Regarding food eaten, I believe one number is the amount of food needed by your population plus needed by your military supply/upkeep operations, while the message in the economy tab "People eat X" is just your populace.
What is the bug that is so serious that we are waiting days and days like this? Share with the rest of the game or put your turn in please.
He's already put in a ton of great work on the game and I can't expect everything in a game. [&o] What we need is 100,000 buyers!