OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

For some reason I've been having a hankering to watch Time Bandits.

Is it some deep philosophical yearning

or

"Little things hitting each other. THAT'S WHAT I LIKE!"

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I am amazed at how many people still seem to have no idea how their personal choices about avoiding social contact can have dire consequences for people a couple of contacts away from them. Think of the six degrees of separation paradigm - you can connect people worldwide with just six "contacts".

Some notable contributors to this thread should take note of this - you know who you are.

For the record, I was not thinking of anyone on this forum when I wrote that. It's the people who are going to hang out on the beach with 10,000 of their closest friends, and the frat boys who just want to party no matter what.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

External validation is a curious way to phrase that. Professional validation would be a more accurate phrase.

Given your experience with the architectural profession you'll know the value of working to specific standards, so why would you consider a professional accreditation process illegitimate?

I guess my overall attitude comes partially from being a loner, who has never needed any kind of external validation, credential wise, or other and partially from my life experiences. You may have a point that the term external validation may be overly broad. I have never needed any external validation from my own species. However, I have spent my life seeking external validation through dedicating my life to caring and providing for indigent and injured felines. It took me many, many years and leaving the atheist beliefs of my youth behind, to arrive at the realization that while architecture is a means to make a living, it is not my life's passion. Caring for the cats is my true life's work. The purpose God shaped me for.

As to considering professional accreditation illegitimate, that comes from the horrible experiences of working along side incompetent accredited professionals. It caused me to completely lose respect for the process and the status. Thus it became a status I had no desire to pursue. That doesn't mean, of course, that I believe all accredited professionals are incompetent. I have worked along side many that I came to respect and learn from. I'm just so jaded now that I tend to spew vitriol toward any mention of higher education and professional accreditation. I apologize if I have offended anyone.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

I remember when a meat packing plant in Iowa lost a lot of its workforce because they were in the US illegally. The lines for employment applications went around the block.

As far as meat goes, around here the price of eggs is back to normal and I can also consume milk and cheese to help the dairy industry. Breakfast was a 3 egg omelette with sauted onions and porcini mushrooms with a 5 cheese italian blend. A little salt, fresh ground black pepper and a good garlic powder to add more flavor . . .

[RangerJoe]

Eat more potatoes!

'Heartbreaking' scene in Idaho as mountains of potatoes are laid to waste
Updated apr. 29, 2020 1:07 PM

Despite a growing demand in grocery stores, potato prices have plummeted in the last few weeks due to social distancing guidelines and a lack of demand in restaurants and the food industry. Just weeks prior, the industry was looking at the best prices in recent memory and even projections for a summer shortage, The Associated Press reported.

The cost for a 50-pound carton of restaurant-grade potatoes in the Twin Falls and Burley district hovered between $22 and $23 on March 13 but had dropped to somewhere between $10 and $12 by April 16.

Some farmers in Idaho have such extreme surpluses that they are dumping potato crops, and dairy farms have begun feeding the potatoes to their cattle.
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Also over the weekend, 43,000 pounds of potatoes were delivered by truck to the Bronx from Idaho, in an effort to put the surplus food to good use in the poorest congregation district in the city, where food scarcity is more than common.

"Many of our families are from the Mott Haven area of the South Bronx so they are struggling with food insecurity," executive director of East Side House Settlement Daniel Diaz told ABC News.

Farms to Food Banks, the organization behind the massive delivery, will hand out the potatoes on Wednesday. Diaz said the amount of food would be able to feed anywhere between 2,000 and 2,500 families out of 5,000 families in the South Bronx that are hungry.

Farms to Food Banks was brought to fruition after Westchester County money manager John Botti saw a news report on farmers pouring excess milk down drains as vegetables sat in their fields and rotted.

A field of flowering Ranger russet potato plants is pictured near Wilder, Idaho, on Wednesday, June 12, 2013. In a lawsuit moved to Idaho federal court this week, a U.S. wholesale grocery cooperative has sued the United Potato Growers of America, alleging the group's members in 15 states are illegally fixing prices and driving up costs. (AP Photo/John Miller)

The organization now sends semi-trailers to farms across the U.S. to pick up excess supply then brings it back for food banks across New York City to enjoy.

A GoFundMe set up for Farms to Food Banks has already received $174,264 in pledges out of a $200,000 goal after being up for only seven days. Individual donations were as much as thousands of dollars.

"Food banks are overwhelmed, undersupplied and are forced to turn families away empty handed, leaving them on the brink of starvation," the GoFundMe said.

"There is more than enough food, but it is not in the right places."

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather- ... ste/729662

Personally, I would rather have the food go to waist rather than go to waste.

[MakeeLearn]

It’s horrific': coronavirus kills nearly 70 at Massachusetts veterans' home
Deadliest known outbreak at a US long-term care facility leaves 68 veterans dead and dozens more sickened
28 Apr 2020


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... diers-home


"Nearly 70 residents sickened with the coronavirus have died at a Massachusetts home for ageing veterans, as state and federal officials try to figure out what went wrong in the deadliest known outbreak at a long-term care facility in the US.

While the death toll at the state-run Holyoke Soldiers’ Home continues to climb, federal officials are investigating whether residents were denied proper medical care and the state’s top prosecutor is deciding whether to bring legal action.

“It’s horrific,” said Edward Lapointe, whose father-in-law lives at the home and had a mild case of the virus. “These guys never had a chance.”

Sixty-eight veteran residents who tested positive for the virus have died, officials said on Tuesday, and it is not known whether another person who died had Covid-19. Another 82 residents and 81 employees have tested positive."

[Cap Mandrake]

I dont know why people don't go pick up grammy or gramps. I understand many have care needs but just do it or hire an aide. I bet the Japanese and Koreans don't stick their old folks in a home.

[Cap Mandrake]

I dont know why people don't go pick up grammy or gramps. I understand many have care needs but just do it or hire an aide. I bet the Japanese and Koreans don't stick their old folks in a home.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I dont know why people don't go pick up grammy or gramps. I understand many have care needs but just do it or hire an aide. I bet the Japanese and Koreans don't stick their old folks in a home.

I took care of my step-mother until my siblings got guardianship and a conservatorship. More details for a lawyer or an MD by pm only.

[Cheesesteak]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

Sounds like a good excuse to spend a few extra $ and support your local butcher! Mine just posted this for pickup:

[MakeeLearn]

Trump’s ‘Operation Warp Speed’ Aims to Rush Coronavirus Vaccine
April 29, 2020,

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... us-vaccine


"Called “Operation Warp Speed,” the program will pull together private pharmaceutical companies, government agencies and the military to try to cut the development time for a vaccine by as much as eight months, according to two people familiar with the matter.

As part of the arrangement, taxpayers will shoulder much of the financial risk that vaccine candidates may fail, instead of drug companies.

The project’s goal is to have 300 million doses of vaccine available by January, according to one administration official. There is no precedent for such rapid development of a vaccine."

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

It’s horrific': coronavirus kills nearly 70 at Massachusetts veterans' home
Deadliest known outbreak at a US long-term care facility leaves 68 veterans dead and dozens more sickened
28 Apr 2020


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... diers-home


"Nearly 70 residents sickened with the coronavirus have died at a Massachusetts home for ageing veterans, as state and federal officials try to figure out what went wrong in the deadliest known outbreak at a long-term care facility in the US.

While the death toll at the state-run Holyoke Soldiers’ Home continues to climb, federal officials are investigating whether residents were denied proper medical care and the state’s top prosecutor is deciding whether to bring legal action.

“It’s horrific,” said Edward Lapointe, whose father-in-law lives at the home and had a mild case of the virus. “These guys never had a chance.”

Sixty-eight veteran residents who tested positive for the virus have died, officials said on Tuesday, and it is not known whether another person who died had Covid-19. Another 82 residents and 81 employees have tested positive."

That is a lot and a good question is why staffing was so tight. The VA healthcare system has pretty much eliminated in person appointments so staff from a VA Healthcare facility could have gone there.

Maybe more people in the VA Healthcare system were busy lining their pockets instead of providing for veterans. Most of the staff that work with the patients are good people, I am referring to the administrative types.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

So for essential workers - they can still use the HR 6201 leave for a few weeks - yes?

https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/public-policy/hr-public-policy-issues/Documents/Summary%20of%20HR%206201.pdf

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I've learned to PRETEND not to be smart because it makes people nervous.


Take Detroit or Baltimore...absolutely crammed with voters who align themselves with liberal views. Must be a lot of people who speak classic Greek and recite sonnets, eh?

óchi to dikó mou láthos den xérete elliniká...

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

So for essential workers - they can still use the HR 6201 leave for a few weeks - yes?

https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/public-policy/hr-public-policy-issues/Documents/Summary%20of%20HR%206201.pdf

It reads like it does. I guess that all affected employers will probably go through a temporary employment agency for new employees . . .

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meat plant workers to Trump: Employees aren't going to show up
4 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz

"Meat processing plant workers are concerned about President Donald Trump's executive order that compels plants to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic. Some say they expect staff will refuse to come to work. "

Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

Sounds like a good excuse to spend a few extra $ and support your local butcher! Mine just posted this for pickup:

That's a Porterhouse with about 10 lbs of extra bone AND they charge you more. [:D] Perfect if Fred and Wilma are coming over for dinner.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


Saw a long report on that last night. The plant owners have persuaded the president that the meat packing industry is an essential part of the food industry that feeds us - on the face of it a cogent argument. So the president ordered the industry to be deemed essential and its workers "essential workers", meaning they must show up for work. What he did NOT do is require the industry to adopt the CDC guidelines for keeping workers safe in such plants. The CDC orders for the industry have been turned into "suggested guidelines" that they should follow "if possible". No penalty if they don't.

As a companion piece to that non-order, the OSHA regulations that say workers can refuse unsafe work are being re-written so that if the plant is following CDC "orders", the employee cannot refuse to come to work. Since the CDC orders are now suggestions, the plant owners can say they are complying with them.
The plant owners are betting that if they have to fire a large number of workers, they can hire replacements from among the desperate poor in the area.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

This is the sort of thing I was considering in an earlier post I made about the neutering of institutions in the US. If the meat packing plants do not implement effective safety measures and the huge infection rate among their staff continues, I will stop buying their product. About the only thing I can do, unfortunately.

Sounds like a good excuse to spend a few extra $ and support your local butcher! Mine just posted this for pickup:

That's a Porterhouse with about 10 lbs of extra bone AND they charge you more. [:D] Perfect if Fred and Wilma are coming over for dinner.

That is NOT Porterhouse. Those are Rib steaks hooked together so that is a standing Rib Roast!

[Cap Mandrake]

Rib-eyes...yes you are right. [:)]

I defer to your greater knowledge Barney. [:)]

[Sammy5IsAlive]

Bad day for everyone looking at Worldometers. These midweek figures are tough to see. Case numbers in the US look encouraging again though.

Brazil looks like it is getting increasingly ugly [:(]. Bolsonaro says 'so what'. I'm hoping it doesn't contravene the no politics rule to suggest he seems to be a pretty awful piece of work.