OKH Plan 1942 - Alpha AAR

[roman uk]

Dear Pyledriver,

Great AAR.

A couple of questions;

If you put pressure in front of Moscow would that draw more reserves into the pocket, out of Moscow proper? (curious how the AI would react)

Does Moscow have special supply rules, to hold out in seige?

If, or when you take Moscow, is that a strategic 'gamechanger', eg change the strategic balance towards the Wehrmacht, or does it only delay the inevitable? Is the moscow 42 strategy viable?

thanks,

[PyleDriver]

Not really sure how the AI is going to react to 3rd PzA being activated... I do know by air recon they have had units there for a while and most have very good entrenchments by now...We have talked about the importance of the loss of Moscow, morale levels and such but thats still on the table. The loss of population, industry, and rail hub is huge already...I will have to beat down there air resupply (if taken), so the LW will be close to knock it down...

[PyleDriver]

(DAR) the Rum. Cav. Corps is spent. I pulled it off the line and sent it to garrison duty. 6 fresh Rum divisions that are rested are arriving. Voroshilovgrad is a must take now and Wiking and 13th PzD struck north...

[ComradeP]

It seems you either forgot to cut out the white area of the print screen, or Paint or whatever program you're using added it somehow.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

It seems you either forgot to cut out the white area of the print screen, or Paint or whatever program you're using added it somehow.

I just remembered what might have happened to you Jon... it is very easy "fix"... [:)]


I think that default (i.e. blank) picture you are posting into is enlarged in MS Paint - all you need to do is to reduce it's size and it will be OK!

Thus just go to MS Paint and do the following:

Go to "Image" -> "Attributes" and place 100 x 100 there (not it must be very large numbers like 2244 x 2394)!


Leo "Apollo11"

[PyleDriver]

Sorry guys, my wife screwed with my paint program, Leo (Apollo 11) is trying to help me get it straight. I'm not a computer guy, just Joel's jocky...Got to love to hate the wife sometimes...lol...

[Shadrach]

Have a look at Irfanview for a Paint replacement if all you want to do is paste screenshots and do minor editing (resize, add text etc), its free and you can stay away from the mess that is MS Paint [;)]

http://www.irfanview.com/
(not spamming, just a tip)

[PyleDriver]

(AAR) Kleist countered and sent a Cav and Tank Corps to the rear. He has requested full refit for his Army. But there is a party in Tambov as troops get a break...2nd army pulled up his left and 6th the right in order... As with Hoth, Kleist has a narrow front and moble units. Punch one hole and bing, there they go...

[SGHunt]

I can't see where Kleist is leading his tired and battered legions now...? [&:]   Out into that wide open steppe on a gigantic hit and run raid?  Does Penza have any strategic significance as a rail hub?    Or are they just going to wrap up those remaining Russian Corps to the North in a final battle of anihilation before the mud, and a refit?   Oh, and can I come to the party in Tambov - I need some RnR meself?

And anyway, whay are you teasing us so mercilessly - what about the real money, South of Moscow?   Where do those two Panzerarmeen go now, Herr von PyleDriver? [;)]

Stuart

[wurger54]

And anyway, whay are you teasing us so mercilessly - what about the real money, South of Moscow?   Where do those two Panzerarmeen go now, Herr von PyleDriver? [;)]

Been watching this AAR with great interest. Looks like the front is about where it should be for a determined Soviet defense of the Motherland in '42. It does look like the Soviet army is in no condition to launch a great winter offensive against a German army spent from the summer's exertion. Rather the German army looks like it is tired, but temporarily inconvenienced by the fall rains on its way to taking Moscow. Is this accurate, or am I missing the boat? [8|]

[PyleDriver]

Stuart, Kleists job is to draw Soviet reserves and roll the line north... 2nd PzA is clearing Hoth's right...My honey do list was heavy today, I should have more ss's soon.

[PyleDriver]

(AAR) Well Schmidt's 2nd PzA struck hard clearing most of the swamps and has become a real threat. Supply will be a problem when the rain hits... Hoth plans a thrust NE to cross the Moskva next week... 2nd Army got LIX corp across the Oka and is providing 2nd PzA's flank... Heinrici's 4th army has a choke hold on Kaluga now, remember he's holding the big guns now...What I'm looking for now is a railhead over the Moskva for the winter offense...Just checked, we have winter clothing this year...lol...

[PyleDriver]

OK, I'm giving up the ghost. I have 2 weeks before the fall rain. I have pretty colored arrows of what I plan for guys...Hum can I do it?...Stay tuned...Damn I love this game...

[zbig]

Has there been a decrease in Soveit air activiy due to the their air units moving to avoid the panzers?

[PyleDriver]

Not really (they have so many now), air units can move and still put planes in the air. Depends how far they move there airbases as to how many they can get flying... Post this on Q&A, others may give a better answer...I hate commericals, and this movie is getting good...Once agian, this is a S&T site, not a Q&A...Please post questions there...

[Neal_MLC]

What does the Finnish/Leningrad front look like?

[Smirfy]

Attacking on 6 axis in late 42 [&:] The logistics, replacement and rest model kinda keeps suspending my belief. A more plausible one would help the AI no end.

[SGHunt]

That offensive is so sweet - you are doing this right. [&o]  Both of the final cities before Moscow encircled in one turn (and what joy when 2nd Pz frees its own infantry after Ryazan falls!  Next turn do you think?)

Whilst I am always suggesting for you push too hard and too fast, it seems, and in a way that I'm sure would put my spearheads at risk, you are maintaining both pressure and cohesion.   I learn.  

I guess you've missed the full encirclement by a week or two before the mud stops everything?   And... where are those Soviet tanks?

But, you are very strong to the S and SE of Moscow, and if Uncle Joe does not pull everything away from the Oka and create a final defence behind the Moskva, he is surely knackered (this is a technical military term used by the British - it describes a really rather delicate and uncomfortable situation). [;)]

So, Kleist is set to continue the roll North, chewing up troops all the way.    Two weeks left and he can kill a lot more, but he can't surely get to where your orange arrow points before the mud, can he?

Final thought, if 3rd Pz (yellow arrow) cuts NE rather than SE, wouldn't it support the main thrust by Model over the canal?   If you can effect the link up with Hoth to the east of Moscow, all those troops you are looking to net to the SW of Moscow will be done for anyway, won't they?

I've never really become aware of Herr General Schmidt before - what a classic Prussian



Jon, don't sleep - play and post....

[PyleDriver]

Yep Stuart, I'm looking to net units more before the rain comes and get in postion...As far as the Leningrad front it's static. I'll let you know where the action is guys...Sorry Stuart at my age I need my naps...lol...Smirfy, I'm keeping supply lines short and only looking at 30 miles in 2 weeks, Kleist does plan a bold move north (he's got the tigers that havn't sprung yet)...

[Smirfy]

ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

Yep Stuart, I'm looking to net units more before the rain comes and get in postion...As far as the Leningrad front it's static. I'll let you know where the action is guys...Sorry Stuart at my age I need my naps...lol...Smirfy, I'm keeping supply lines short and only looking at 30 miles in 2 weeks, Kleist does plan a bold move north (he's got the tigers that havn't sprung yet)...

Enjoy your nap. I make your supply lines over a thousand miles not thirty. I'm not quite sure the Russian rail network could sustain 6 plus armies on the offensive especially intensive methodical ones. I'm not even sure if the rail network was perfect to the front Germany could supply and sustain that intensity of combat. The Campaign resembles Ludendorff on crack rather than the Blitzkreigs raison d'être.