The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[apdsfs]

Any information about KB？

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: apdsfs

Any information about KB?H

Not at all...she were near Marcus 9 days ago...so she could be sailing eastwards by now...

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: princep01

No, not everyone is opposed to a "kamikaze" CV strike against KB. I think Alfred laid out a fair operational plan for making it happen on reasonable terms.

When others dither, I paraphrase a famous man's wise words, there are those that ask why; I ask, why not? Why the hell not, Ser Greyjoy?? It would be great fun and has a pretty good chance of destroying the last real naval threat he has.

Don't let the nay-sayers stop you from bold experimentation. What response would you have expected from a conservative player like CR if you had told him of your move on the Kuriles and northern Japan? Huh? What? You know what..... He is an excellent player, but he has a very different style than you.

So, put me in the "Do it" column and quit sniveling about. It's a pretty good idea....and, again, will be great fun.

Your stranded on th ebeach friend,
princepBolton

That's how a northern man speaks! [8D]




Ok guys, turn sent back (took my time cause Rader is again visiting his GF this week end)...


I've placed a LRCAP ( 300 planes between P-38s, P-51s and P-47s) over Sadogashima, while 500 transport planes will try to deliver 350 engineers to the rough island.
3 TFs composed of 4 LSTs and 3 DEs each are ordered to bring to Sadogashima 2 AA Units and a CD regiment. 80 more mines will be placed while a gran total of 30 DDs will be moved there divided into 6 different DD divisions.
Admiral Pallister will patrol the waters of Sadogashima on the second night with 4 Fijii Class CLs supported by 11 DDs, while 50 PTs boats will cover the approaches.
the whole operartion is supported by 30 subs (american, dutch and british) that will patroll the waters around the island.
A Fast transport TF will deliver a port detachment with 30 naval support (to help speed up the unloading operations).

5 undamaged CVs and 1 CVL will move out of Hakodate at max speed, while the rest of the damaged CVs will remain there trying to lower the sys damage before moving anywhere else.
2 ARDs are directed from Shikuka to Hakodate to help with the repair operations.

More air units are being tranfered from WC to Hokkaido to substitute all the air groups destroyed during the CV treagedy.

The struggle for Sadogashima has begun...it will be fun...it will be that kind of battles that is always nice to fight...a forge of heroes and legends!

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
So...call me crazy...call me idiot...call me dreamer...but i still don't think my idea of a Kami-CVTF is that nonesense.

I´d rather call you a creative thinker, but still, please don´t.

It will not work the way you think.
No need to repeat all others´input, but considering such situations you need to think purely on chances of success/failure
(sp. "wargame the plan").
A plan containing many if´s and a couple of tradeoffs, has a high probability to go wrong, or to not result in the outcome expected, even if successful.


If I am trying a stunt, I play my own devil´s advocate.

If I consider using high value units (and looking at your situation CVEs are high value units) and I wargame a high risk/high benefit
plan, if the chances are approaching 50% that it will fail on a rather extreme level or not bring the benefit I desire, I stomp it.

Sorry to say, but "Plan CVE Kami" looks like it can be a spectacular success, but I´d rate the chance of this happening somewhere in
the 10% area. Radar will need to play your game for you to succeed, always the worst prerequisite.

Unfortunately...i have to agree [:(]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

ORIGINAL: princep01

...What response would you have expected from a conservative player like CR if you had told him of your move on the Kuriles and northern Japan? Huh? What? You know what..... He is an excellent player, but he has a very different style than you.

princepBolton

I hasten to say that I am currently involved in my fifth WitP or AE PBEM match. In those five matches, I've invaded the Kuriles, Sikhalin Island or Hokkaido three times...and I've invaded China by sea twice.

I have to agree with CR my dear master. he was one of the few people aware of my project of invading the Kuriles and he has always supported the idea, since the beginning!

Despite being a southern boy, wolf blood runs strong in his veins...he's one of us (sorry CR, i know you haven't read Martin's books so you don't know what we're talking about...was a compliment btw [:D]...and i strongly suggest you to read them...you will love em all!!!!! [&o])

[JohnDillworth]

and i strongly suggest you to read them...you will love em all!!!!! )

+1
of course he would love em. They have a civil war in them

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: princep01

Ser Greyjoy, what a handsome lad you once were. Alas, that portrait is one of you before you made my acquaintance and became a guest at Dreadfort. That bit about you being a ....well, you know....that's a bit overblown, wouldn't you say?

princepBolton

I still have a kind of charm...you know...the same one that Master Pycelle has [:o]

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

I was off for work, came back, peeked into the thread and read something about Kamikaze carriers......made my day.

Good yer stepped back from that one or I would have posted this

Who ever said i am Theon? Couldn't i be Victarion greyjoy? [;)]

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/a/a3/ ... reyjoy.jpg

[Grfin Zeppelin]

How about Sadogashima GreyJoy ? [:D]

Anyway dont trust this Bolton lurking in your thread.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

How about Sadogashima GreyJoy ? [:D]

Anyway dont trust this Bolton lurking in your thread.

What u mean about sadogashima?

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Well you conquered that island with uhm iron and surly have the right to ah uh make it your name or so ...right ?

[GreyJoy]

[:D]Well, Be sure i took a couple of iron wifes...for a good start

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Btw I second GreyJoys notion about these books. I rarely read fantasy and I was very sceptical to read them because of the hype but they are realy amazing.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: hades1001

Sorry to interrupt, but can anyone please point out an combat that carriers react to enemy carriers that is 7/8 hex away?

You'll have to dig it out, but check out Cap_N_Gown's older AE AAR. Also, PzB's current ongoing match against Andy has at least one 8-hex carrier v. carrier strike that the Allies were unable to react to.

Technically, I don't recall if the carriers 'reacted' to the Allies that were 7/8 hexes distant, they *were* able to launch at 8 hexes though.

[GreyJoy]

Waiting for Rader to come back home, here's the status of my CV Fleet:
 
At my immediate disposal (meaning in combat shape) we have:
 
CV LexII
CV Intrepid
CV Franklin
CV Hornet
CV HornetII
CVL Bellau Wood
 
Ready in the next 20 days:
CV Enterprise
CV Indefatigable
CVL Hermes
 
Ready in 3 months
CV YorkTown
CV Victorious
CV Bunker Hill
 
Ready in 6/8 months
CVL Indipendence
CVL Bataan
CVL Princeton
CVL Langley
CV Yorktown II
CV Wasp II
CV Indomitable
 
Plus all the reinforcements coming in...
 
So for the immediate defence of my LOC we have 5 CVs, 1 CVL and 23 CVE, meaning a force of nearly 500 fighters and 500 attack planes...could be better, i know...but it's always better than nothing[8|]

[GreyJoy]

Now, if we can keep Sadogashima open and if we manage to transform it in an active base, we may be able to have a level 4 port and 7 AF that can support a further invasion of several bases in the northern coast of Japan. Clearly Rader will do everything he can to suppress Sadogashima and so i believe it will soon start a long campaign arial and naval campaign to fight for it...but i believe the sacrifice of my CVs may be prove not completely useless (weel, i know guys...i'm trying to look at the bright side of the situation...to help my morale, you know).
If the allies will be able to keep Sadogashima open and running Rader will have to worry about all those possible beachheads...but at the same time, having 14000 allied AVs threatening those beaches in northern Honshu, he will have to make some compromises in his defences...which may open some prespectives...

There's no reason to lie to ourselfs...the air battle for Sadogashima will probably be the most difficult task we have engaged in so far...defend a base 7 hexes far from our main AF...against superior forces (both in quality and quantity)...the only advantage we have is that we'll be fighting over a base in our hands so Rader is going to lose a whole bunch of pilots...but that's all...

...

[GreyJoy]

Oh, one small note... after years of training, the first 2 squadrons (24 planes in total) of escaped chinese volounteer pilots are being moving to WC...they will be joining the fight over Hokkaido within the next month...they are all fervent anti-japanist and they have been training for ages at Karachi...they will arrive with skills that will make the best american aces envious...[:)]
 
When the will be arrived, the allied combined air forces in Hokkaido will be formed by 7 nations:
 
American (navy, USMC, and USAAF pilots)
British (RAF and RNAF)
Canadian
Australian
New Zelander
Chinese
Indian
 
talking about a world war....[:D]

[paullus99]

You are slowly, but surely doing exactly what you need to do - create a series of separate pressure points, which forces Rader to divert his attention (and forces - especially in the air). You are still getting him to dance to your beat & not the other way around, so you still have the initiative here.

[GreyJoy]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

You are slowly, but surely doing exactly what you need to do - create a series of separate pressure points, which forces Rader to divert his attention (and forces - especially in the air). You are still getting him to dance to your beat & not the other way around, so you still have the initiative here.

Yes, that is my strategy...altough i cannot deny that keeping the initiative, under this tactical situation, means running every turn a good number of great risks...we're always dancing on the edge of a blade here...and we have to keep our eyes always well open for any countermove rader can do...so to say we always have to check our defences around Hakkodate (both air and naval), the routes of our TFs...every radio signal recieved by my intel...his troops disposition...etc etc... it's stressing...cause you always feel you have forgotten something...that you never have everything under controll... but i guess that's exactly the weight of responsability that every commander in chief has to carry on his shoulders...

[crsutton]

GJ, Do you have any HR preventing other Allied units operating out of Russian bases once the Russians are active?