OT: Corona virus
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If I ran a school locally (and I once did), I'd do an exercise like this:
1. If you live in a free country, say thank you.
2. If you live in a country where men and women served and died to protect your freedom, say thank you.
3. If you have electric power, say thank you.
4. If you have entertainment, say thank you.
5. If you have a job, say thank you.
6. If you don't have a job but receive support, say thank you.
7. If you went to school, say thank you.
8. If the vast majority of people around you appreciate equality and fairness, say thank you.
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22,976. If you are fortunate beyond measure in comparison to just about any previous generation or people, say thank you.
Not every child would be able to answer in the affirmative but most would. Certainly that's the case in the US and the UK, and in many other countries around the world.
I'd run the school emphasizing gratitude for what you have while acknowledging issues, both present and historic. I'd teach that ingratitude, sullenness, grievances, and envy were not beneficial. I'd encourage them that no method is perfect and that all are flawed, but that freedom is precious and should be jealously guarded.
1. If you live in a free country, say thank you.
2. If you live in a country where men and women served and died to protect your freedom, say thank you.
3. If you have electric power, say thank you.
4. If you have entertainment, say thank you.
5. If you have a job, say thank you.
6. If you don't have a job but receive support, say thank you.
7. If you went to school, say thank you.
8. If the vast majority of people around you appreciate equality and fairness, say thank you.
.....
22,976. If you are fortunate beyond measure in comparison to just about any previous generation or people, say thank you.
Not every child would be able to answer in the affirmative but most would. Certainly that's the case in the US and the UK, and in many other countries around the world.
I'd run the school emphasizing gratitude for what you have while acknowledging issues, both present and historic. I'd teach that ingratitude, sullenness, grievances, and envy were not beneficial. I'd encourage them that no method is perfect and that all are flawed, but that freedom is precious and should be jealously guarded.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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Confirmed coronavirus recoveries hit 1m worldwide: Live updates
32 minutes ago
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/ ... 38520.html
About a third of some 3.2 million known COVID-19 patients have recovered, with total number of deaths exceeding 228,000.
"Worldwide, the number of confirmed infections stood at more than 3.2 million, with some 230,000 deaths and more than 1 million recoveries.
"17:05 GMT - Global number of recoveries top 1 million
Around a third of the world's known coronavirus patients, some 1,004,483 people, have recovered from the disease, according to data gathered by Johns Hopkins University."
"18:07 GMT - UK 'past peak' of coronavirus outbreak, PM says"
32 minutes ago
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/ ... 38520.html
About a third of some 3.2 million known COVID-19 patients have recovered, with total number of deaths exceeding 228,000.
"Worldwide, the number of confirmed infections stood at more than 3.2 million, with some 230,000 deaths and more than 1 million recoveries.
"17:05 GMT - Global number of recoveries top 1 million
Around a third of the world's known coronavirus patients, some 1,004,483 people, have recovered from the disease, according to data gathered by Johns Hopkins University."
"18:07 GMT - UK 'past peak' of coronavirus outbreak, PM says"
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Univ. of Washington declines to extend projections for Mississippi, due to easing of countermeasures.


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Coronavirus: The 'R' is down but what does that mean for the spread of COVID-19?
If we can keep the R below one, then the growth of the pandemic will slow - indeed, it will slow exponentially.
30 April 2020 20:12, UK
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... 9-11981349
"If we can keep the R below one, then the growth of the pandemic will slow - indeed, it will slow exponentially.
As chief scientific officer Sir Patrick Vallance put it at today's press conference: "The R is below one. We think it's between 0.6 and 0.9, across the nation.
"Maybe a little lower in some places, maybe a little higher in others, but it's below one across the country.""
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Ditto Tennessee, but not (to this point) Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas and Colorado.
Have Tenn. and Miss. done something notably different than other states easing countermeasures? I'm not aware of anything, and a quick Google search didn't turn up anything.
Have Tenn. and Miss. done something notably different than other states easing countermeasures? I'm not aware of anything, and a quick Google search didn't turn up anything.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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It is going to be a brave new world in education funding and taxation.
School’s proposed 22% tax hike will ‘force some people to lose their homes,’ taxpayers say
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ ... s-say.html
School’s proposed 22% tax hike will ‘force some people to lose their homes,’ taxpayers say
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/ ... s-say.html
RE: OT: Corona virus
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Keyword: HISTORY as in ancient history.
Institutionalized Racism simply does not exist anymore.
Every Institution in the US has been providing special treatment to people of color and discriminating against non-people of color for somewhere around thirty years now in a misguided attempt to redress PAST discrimination.
There is no institution in the US today that could even dream of getting away with racist treatment of people of color.
That Institutionalized Racism exists in America today is a leftist fabrication.
Sooner or later you are going to have to step outside of that bubble you are living in.
Many of the people still alive today were alive, educated, and lived in a segregated society and unequal society. Their lives and possible opportunities were altered regardless of subsequent changes in law. This is recent history. Many working age Americans were raised by parents who suffered these inequalities. That legacy and the legacy of poverty linked to this past are still in the present and relate to healthcare among many other things.
Here is an exercise our school community engaged in to understand more about what experiences are different for people of racially different backgrounds. It's called a privilege walk.
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If your ancestors were forced to come to the USA not by choice, take one step back.
No step taken here.
If you were ever called names because of your race, class, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If there were people who worked for your family as servants, gardeners, nannies, etc. take one step forward.
No step here.
If you were ever ashamed or embarrassed of your clothes, house, car, etc. take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If one or both of your parents were "white collar" professionals: doctors, lawyers, etc. take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If you were raised in an area where there was prostitution, drug activity, etc., take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If you ever tried to change your appearance, mannerisms, or behavior to avoid being judged or ridiculed, take one step back.
Stepping back here. Every teenager on the planet qualifies for this one.
If you studied the culture of your ancestors in elementary school, take one step forward.
Half step forward here. No Arab culture studies in my schools.
If there were more than 50 books in your house when you grew up, take one step forward.
No step taken here. The only books in my house were the huge stacks I brought home each months from the mobile library.
If you were taken to art galleries or plays by your parents, take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If one of your parents was unemployed or laid off, not by choice, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If you have health insurance take one step forward.
Stepping forward here.
If you attended private school or summer camp, take one step forward.
Stepping forward here as I guess Boy Scouts summer camp has to count.
If your family ever had to move because they could not afford the rent, take one step back.
No step taken here.
If you were ever discouraged from academics or jobs because of race, class, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If you were encouraged to attend college by your parents, take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If you were raised in a single parent household, take one step back.
No step taken here.
If your family owned the house where you grew up, take one step forward.
Half step here...family only 'owned' house after I spent 20 years paying off the mortgage.
If you saw members of your race, ethnic group, gender or sexual orientation portrayed on television in degrading roles, take one step back.
Stepping back here. Whites are constantly portrayed in degrading roles.
If you were ever offered a good job because of your association with a friend or family member, take one step forward.
Stepping forward here. personal recommendations are the only kind to have.
If you were ever accused of cheating or lying because of your race, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If you ever inherited money or property, take one step forward.
Inherited the house I grew up in after paying my parents mortgage for 20 year so I guess I have to step forward.
If you had to rely primarily on public transportation, take one step back.
For how long? Stepping back and forward here. Extremely stupid question.
If you attended private school at any point in your life take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If you were ever stopped or questioned by the police because of your race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, take one step back.
No step taken here.
If you were ever afraid of violence because of your race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If you were generally able to avoid places that were dangerous, take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If you were ever uncomfortable about a joke related to your race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation but felt unsafe to confront the situation, take one step back.
Another stupid question. Some people have sufficient backbone to fear nothing. Doesn't mean I have never been denigrated jokingly. No step taken here.
If you were ever the victim of violence related to your race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, take one step back.
Stepping back here.
If your parents did not grow up in the United States, take one step back.
No step taken here. Only my Lebonese immigrant maternal grand parents didn't grow up here.
If your parents attended college take one step forward.
No step taken here.
If your parents told you that you could be anything you wanted to be, take one step forward.
Stepping forward here. I had good parents thank you very much.
I'll be happy to take your test as I can and will answer in the same way that you expect many people of color to respond.
Many of the perceived prejudices evident in the questions apply just as strongly to poor white folks (I'm only half white, with the other half being camel jockey) as they do to oppressed people of color.
So, how did I do? Do I qualify as oppressed and discriminated against?
It's not a test. It's a reflective exercise.
So how did you do?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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My take is that my origins in a large very lower middle class family coupled with my unwilling participation in race riots in junior high school where I was a target of violence because of my race gives me nearly the same underpriveladged and oppressed status as many people of color constantly claim to.
I just don't get any special treatment like them. [;)]
I just don't get any special treatment like them. [;)]
Hans
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter
My take is that my origins in a large very lower middle class family coupled with my unwilling participation in race riots in junior high school where I was a target of violence because of my race gives me nearly the same underpriveladged and oppressed status as many people of color constantly claim to.
It sounds like that is very true.
Some of those questions mean that some people struggle to get ahead that much harder than others, regardless of intent, inspiration, gratitude or opportunity.
That also has some effect on access to health care, education about nutrition, financial access to higher quality food and lifestyle, and other factors both cultural and economical that could be having an effect on the disproportionate number of black and brown people in the US (and elsewhere, like the UK) suffering and dying from this pandemic.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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When considering the world population whites are a minority, so if black and brown people in the US are having a hard time there are plenty of majority black and brown nations to move to.
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This is, essentially the "You didn't build this" argument which was famously argued by Lizzie Warren and now we are rid of her (mostly)[:)]
A deliberately hilarious version of the argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ
A deliberately hilarious version of the argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

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Chicago house party host’s mom is first responder ‘astounded’ by son’s behavior: reports
9 hrs ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chica ... li=BBnb7Kz
"While her 26-year-old son was hosting a wild house party in defiance of social distancing orders last Friday, a Chicago woman was working a 24-hour shift as a first responder because of the coronavirus outbreak, according to reports.
The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said she was horrified after police showed up at her door and showed her video of the party that went viral online, Chicago’s WMAQ-TV reported."

9 hrs ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chica ... li=BBnb7Kz
"While her 26-year-old son was hosting a wild house party in defiance of social distancing orders last Friday, a Chicago woman was working a 24-hour shift as a first responder because of the coronavirus outbreak, according to reports.
The woman, who asked to remain anonymous, said she was horrified after police showed up at her door and showed her video of the party that went viral online, Chicago’s WMAQ-TV reported."

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The Libertarian position delivered with the help of a fat cat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZooNSm85WQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZooNSm85WQ

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
When considering the world population whites are a minority, so if black and brown people in the US are having a hard time there are plenty of majority black and brown nations to move to.
Really? Ever tried to move to another country?
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: OT: Corona virus
Testing ramping up everywhere. For the first time I've seen the DRC on this list.
Sorting for percentage positive the UK is starting to look slightly better, dropping 2 percentage points while testing numbers go up. Still at 19% which is quite high, though.
Brazil not looking good on this factor. Small sample sizes from Cameroon and the DRC, but those don't look good either.

Sorting for percentage positive the UK is starting to look slightly better, dropping 2 percentage points while testing numbers go up. Still at 19% which is quite high, though.
Brazil not looking good on this factor. Small sample sizes from Cameroon and the DRC, but those don't look good either.

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ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
When considering the world population whites are a minority, so if black and brown people in the US are having a hard time there are plenty of majority black and brown nations to move to.
Really? Ever tried to move to another country?
Yes I have. I also worked for years around inner city criminal youth, after living in the inner city. For me to really talk about races in US we will have to move beyond the normal, and prerequisites are advantageous.
i.e.- live in downtown Memphis for a year.
Plus I don't do the:
Person A argument: "You need water to live."
Person B argument: "Water will kill you."
style of debate.
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warspite1ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
When considering the world population whites are a minority, so if black and brown people in the US are having a hard time there are plenty of majority black and brown nations to move to.
F***ing Hell... I hope I've missed something and that was a joke or ironic or something...
Now Maitland, now's your time!
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Coronavirus vaccine by January is 'doable,' Dr. Anthony Fauci says
Amid the race to find a vaccine, Fauci said the experimental drug remdesivir is "an important first step" in treating coronavirus patients now.
https://www.today.com/health/coronaviru ... ys-t180358
""We want to go quickly, but we want to make sure it's safe and it's effective," Fauci said. "I think that is doable if things fall in the right place.
"Remember, go back in time, I was saying in January and February that it would be a year to 18 months (to develop a vaccine), so January is a year, so it isn't that much from what I had originally said."
Amid the race to find a vaccine, Fauci said the experimental drug remdesivir is "an important first step" in treating coronavirus patients now.
https://www.today.com/health/coronaviru ... ys-t180358
""We want to go quickly, but we want to make sure it's safe and it's effective," Fauci said. "I think that is doable if things fall in the right place.
"Remember, go back in time, I was saying in January and February that it would be a year to 18 months (to develop a vaccine), so January is a year, so it isn't that much from what I had originally said."







