OT: Corona virus

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I've been interested in testing numbers for days since the UK is ramping up somewhat, and our percent positive is still dropping daily. Today it's 14.8%.

The US drops 0.4% and Italy is down 0.3%. A lot of countries seem to be delayed in reporting testing numbers lately, though so hard to get any clear picture of trends in Europe or some hotspots like Brazil.

[MakeeLearn]

Models Project Sharp Rise in Deaths as States Reopen
May 4, 2020


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/c ... dates.html



"An internal Trump administration report expects about 200,000 daily cases by June.

The White House bars coronavirus task force officials from testifying to Congress without approval."

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I respectfully request we be allowed to criticized the Chicoms. It's the only good thing about COVID.[:)]

The Chinese Government? Please do!

Interesting the info (not sure if you saw it a page or two ago) that France has found a case of Covid from December. If it was in France then, it was likely also in Italy and in the UK at least, and most probably in NYC. Seriously high flu cases in NYC in December. This is when Wuhan local administrators were still trying to avoid making the central government aware there was a problem. Yet it was already out and about in Europe!!

Another post about high and early flu in CA from a SF paper, but that variant was supposedly hard on under 50s and children, and had very different symptoms, so probably not Covid, but who knows, right?

All of which lends credence to my belief that I became infected before the end of the year, having endured the worst bout of flu in my entire life starting over the New Year's weekend and continuing for a week and a half.

[Nomad]

I found this to be an interesting article. https://news.yahoo.com/mutant-coronavir ... 46843.html

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I respectfully request we be allowed to criticized the Chicoms. It's the only good thing about COVID.[:)]

The Chinese Government? Please do!

Interesting the info (not sure if you saw it a page or two ago) that France has found a case of Covid from December. If it was in France then, it was likely also in Italy and in the UK at least, and most probably in NYC. Seriously high flu cases in NYC in December. This is when Wuhan local administrators were still trying to avoid making the central government aware there was a problem. Yet it was already out and about in Europe!!

Another post about high and early flu in CA from a SF paper, but that variant was supposedly hard on under 50s and children, and had very different symptoms, so probably not Covid, but who knows, right?

All of which lends credence to my belief that I became infected before the end of the year, having endured the worst bout of flu in my entire life starting over the New Year's weekend and continuing for a week and a half.

Hans, we are wondering the same here. My wife has never had a coughing flu, but had one in January for over two weeks. The worst coughs I've heard, all night some nights. In retrospect it seemed odd, and now more so.

Waiting for that Roche antibody test at 96% effectiveness.

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

I found this to be an interesting article. https://news.yahoo.com/mutant-coronavir ... 46843.html

This is a layman version of the study Alfred posted. It has dominated the original strain in every location.

Some very interesting graphics in the study showing it's increased in multiple locations.

[Cap Mandrake]

Human behavior is actually SELECTING strains with higher infectivity. As we move apart from each other we give an evolutionary advantage to strains that fly through the air, smell humans and use GPS navigation.

We use enough remdesivir and IT will stop working too.

[MakeeLearn]

10% of coronavirus patients in Orange County were asymptomatic, doctor says
May 4, 2020,


https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... ronavirus/



"ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. – Ten percent of the people who tested positive for the coronavirus in Orange County displayed no symptoms, according to the Florida Department of Health.

Dr. Raul Pino, health officer for FDOH in Orange County, said he wants everyone to keep practicing precautions.

“We have to assume we can get this from everyone,” Dr. Pino said."


"He also noted 93% of cases of people who have tested positive for COVID-19 have recovered.

The FDOH reports as of Monday,1,438 people have tested positive in Orange County, and more than 29,000 have taken a COVID-19 test."

[MakeeLearn]

Genetic sequencing supports Wisconsin stay-at-home order, shows clusters of coronavirus in Madison and Milwaukee
May 5, 2020

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/202 ... 078539001/


"Scientists reading the genetic blueprints of the new coronavirus, drawn from 250 Wisconsin COVID-19 patients, have discovered two distinct clusters of disease: one in Madison, and the other in Milwaukee. There appears to have been limited mixing between the two viral clusters, said researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison."

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
We use enough remdesivir and IT will stop working too.

Pfft...antimicrobial resistance from overuse / misapplication? It'll never happen*.










*I may be wrong here.

[MakeeLearn]

Second-trimester miscarriage attributed to a coronavirus infection of placenta
May 1 2020

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/01/second- ... centa.html


"Reports of newborns with fetal distress and stillbirth after maternal contraction of the virus during the third trimester suggest that there may be a Covid-19 induced placental infection."

"The report from JAMA also noted that infection of the maternal side of the placenta resulting in miscarriage or impediment of fetal growth was observed in 40% of cases of pregnant patients with MERS and SARS."


"A second-trimester miscarriage in a Covid-19 patient was attributed to a placental infection of the virus, according to new research, as some obstetricians notice an uptick in still births since the coronavirus pandemic hit the U.S."

[MakeeLearn]

Animated Graphic: Coronavirus Infections Day By Day


May 05, 2020


https://www.rferl.org/a/day-by-day-how- ... 52844.html


"Note: This chart shows the spread of the virus as monitored by Johns Hopkins University and the WHO."

[jeffk3510]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves. [;)]

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

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Two months. It seems a long time ago when we were surprised by an increase in cases in Italy. It's interesting to note now that it is being found that the virus was already moving through the population in NY in January, it was in France in December, and it is likely it was in many other places during January.

To see this over time is surprising to me since it hasn't been long at all.

[HansBolter]

I believe some one asked for examples:

A commentary on the liberal bias of multi-country high tech communications platforms.

Dare we refer to them as 'media'?

Bokhari: Tech Censorship Is Now a Public Health Hazard

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/ ... th-hazard/

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Human behavior is actually SELECTING strains with higher infectivity. As we move apart from each other we give an evolutionary advantage to strains that fly through the air, smell humans and use GPS navigation.

If as mentioned in the recent study posted by Alfred, this seems like a good thing right?

Since higher infectivity is also lessening severity?

So maybe an argument that the lockdowns have created an unintended positive outcome?

ORIGINAL: Alfred

This is a prepublication paper which will be of most interest to Cap Mandrake and Chickenboy:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf

For the layman probably the chief point of interest from the paper is the view that the initial Wuhan spike protein D614G has mutated largely to G614 which is found in Europe and North America.  The significance of which is that the mutation seems to be more "contagious" but less "severe".  One conclusion which results is that the increased number of European and North American infections is not due to policy responses but simply is the logical outcome of the mutation.

Alfred

[Canoerebel]

I'd never heard of KD before Cap and you mentioned it. Thus prompted, I looked it up. I see that it's treatable; I read your note that your boy didn't respond to the (usual?) treatment. Did he recover fully (that seems likely, else you'd probably have mentioned it)?

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves. [;)]

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'd never heard of KD before Cap and you mentioned it. Thus prompted, I looked it up. I see that it's treatable; I read your note that your boy didn't respond to the (usual?) treatment. Did he recover fully (that seems likely, else you'd probably have mentioned it)?

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves. [;)]

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

All the Great Google in the Sky gave me on a KD search was Kevin Durant. [8|]

I still don't have a clue what KD is.....

[Nomad]

You have to search for Kawasaki's Disease

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... c-20354598

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

Two months. It seems a long time ago when we were surprised by an increase in cases in Italy. It's interesting to note now that it is being found that the virus was already moving through the population in NY in January, it was in France in December, and it is likely it was in many other places during January.

To see this over time is surprising to me since it hasn't been long at all.

These charts challenge the notions that the US handled the pandemic well.
- it just edges out Italy (60.36 million pop.) in percentage of cases divided by population
- the US cases figure is likely much lower than it should be because testing has been so minimal
- the US had more time to prepare as it saw what was happening in Europe
- the three US states that had their peak of infections are declining in their new ones, but the other states in aggregate are rising in new cases per day (from a news report yesterday), using CDC figures
- the health care system in the US does not seem to have fared any better than other developed countries at handling the outbreak. The patchwork of distancing directives (or not) is part of the health care system when it comes to public health measures.

While I applaud the optimism that we will all beat this thing (with some losses and disablements) eventually, I stand on the cautious side that says lets open the door slowly and see what awaits us as we move out. I am concerned that those states/provinces that move too quickly/confidently do not have good plans to slam the door again and in the meantime, could affect their neighbours.

Just trying to be realistic about the situation as I see it.