Lunacy or Shrewdness?

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Mogami


Issues that unbalance the game are simple.
1. Japan must not ever be allowed to move units between restricted HQ without paying PP. Such movement is not intended and has been stated as such since before games release.
2. Japan must not be permitted to use turn 1 movement for anything other then PH strike and movement between Japanese bases. (just use the 4 hex rule and be happy)
3. Japanese pilots should be trained using the "training" mission. (The exploits are well known. while quite clever they should be avoided by any player who wants WITP work as intended. )
4. To be most accurate RD factories should be set to size 0. Players can then alter them as desired. Otherwise be happy for the free production on set dates and leave them alone.

Of course the above are guides for players trying to recreate the circumstances and realities of 1941-1946 using the intended design of WITP.

1. Agreed - and majority of players have HR to cover that issue.

2. Agreed. I recall when i read your post "4 hexes away rule" i accept it and i'm using this rule (somewhat modified)

3. A issue for debate. While i agree that combat training (attack on ground units and empty bases - i never use the latter) is overefficient this issue must not be changed/fixed without considering other aspects of A2A combat model in general.

I won't repeat myself, i posted earlier in other thread what should be done IMHO to achive balance (especially when no one reply to you - i found this habit very funny). Just in short - limiting max exp gain in ground combat training, limiting bombers training with supply missions to 59 etc...

4. don't see that as a problem. Tonys are moved one months? Who cares? I look at r&d as a spice in the game. Same with ground combat model where is obvious that dice rolls took a great role (i'm not talking about massive battles like Sneer have in Chungking, that is different matter)...

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: pauk

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
I'm playing Mogami in PBEM. Game is in August 1943. Neighter side uses "combat training". As far as I can tell, Japan still has enough pilots to defend itself. Allies have air superiority, but I cannot "crush" Japan (as I don't use combat training, there're not many Allied fighter squadrons with XP of 60+). The game is still somewhat balanced. I assume that Mogami trains his pilots by disbanding trained chutais into depleted daitais and uses them to train new pilots up afterwards (by using the training mission). And he simply does not commit his full airforce in his outer perimeter. I never understood why many (Japanese) players insist, that using "combat training" is necessary for their survival (late-war Allied planes are better - so what? - it's a game about history and not "Space Battles"!).

K

greetings,

Honestly, i do not know - perhaps you don't use 4E bombers overstacking and attacking with 100, 200, 300 heavies?

I suspect that you playing historical style with reasonable numbers of planes assigned on one target?

I think my biggest 4E bomber raid included 144 Liberators escorted by 72 Lightnings (another one accidentally included 96 Liberators escorted by 144 Lightnings). And I don't overstack for offensive missions (overstacking happens mostly when I rest airgroups before relocating them to airfields behind the frontline when they need to recover their morale but still have too much fatigue - I don't like unneccessary ops losses).

K

[Sneer]

to same post
1.agreed
2.agreed with slight minor modifications
3.with this model in A2A and without any chance to influence training program - which is not corellated with economy shape and priorities I disagree - best tactics for allied with this rule banned is to go for atrition war.
4.i can agree however i find retooling factories too expensive - with cost lower i agree

[Nemo121]

Well that's the answer. I have faced raids of comparable size as early as February or March 1942 and expect to face raids triple and quadruple the size by year's end. So, as with everything else, the issues that "unbalance" the game do so only if the Allied player follows a certain, historic, behaviour.

If the Allied player deviates from this behaviour then the Japanese need to adapt and change their own behaviour. One cannot chastise the Japanese for training methods etc in the absence of the CONTEXT in which these methods are used. A Japanese player who maximised his training methods etc whilst facing an Allied player who never massed more than 1 bomber group for any given raid would definitely unbalance the game. OTOH most Japanese players are facing a few hundred four-engined bombers on any given rai and within this context their training maximisation is more reasonable.

[Sneer]

300 4e bombers is standard in my game i think i saw them first in autumn 42
150 4 e + 70+ escort is medium strike 

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Sneer

300 4e bombers is standard in my game i think i saw them first in autumn 42
150 4 e + 70+ escort is medium strike

This with player defined upgrades?

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Mogami


Issues that unbalance the game are simple.
1. Japan must not ever be allowed to move units between restricted HQ without paying PP. Such movement is not intended and has been stated as such since before games release.
2. Japan must not be permitted to use turn 1 movement for anything other then PH strike and movement between Japanese bases. (just use the 4 hex rule and be happy)
3. Japanese pilots should be trained using the "training" mission. (The exploits are well known. while quite clever they should be avoided by any player who wants WITP work as intended. )
4. To be most accurate RD factories should be set to size 0. Players can then alter them as desired. Otherwise be happy for the free production on set dates and leave them alone.

Of course the above are guides for players trying to recreate the circumstances and realities of 1941-1946 using the intended design of WITP.

Mog,

Agree on 1,2 and 4 but point three is just [8|] to me. I had two PBEMs (as Allied) where my opponents used none training at all. Result: The game wasn´t fun, it was ridicoulos. That way I can play against AI too as there is nothing anyone can do against me from mid 43 on. Both games ended with the surrender of the Japanese. I might call myself experienced after all those turns I´ve done now (and I still learn new things) but without the Jap training every more or less experienced player should be able to crush the Japs until the end of 43 or middle of 44. In mid 44 there wouldn´t be a single Jap plane piloted by a even less trained pilot left and you just have to take 500 ships with 15CVs and 40 CVEs and sail to Japan!

So if you ban pilot training (or use the training mission - which is the same as a ban) you won´t have a:

Of course the above are guides for players trying to recreate the circumstances and realities of 1941-1946 using the intended design of WITP.

Hi,

I'm playing Mogami in PBEM. Game is in August 1943. Neighter side uses "combat training". As far as I can tell, Japan still has enough pilots to defend itself. Allies have air superiority, but I cannot "crush" Japan (as I don't use combat training, there're not many Allied fighter squadrons with XP of 60+). The game is still somewhat balanced. I assume that Mogami trains his pilots by disbanding trained chutais into depleted daitais and uses them to train new pilots up afterwards (by using the training mission). And he simply does not commit his full airforce in his outer perimeter. I never understood why many (Japanese) players insist, that using "combat training" is necessary for their survival (late-war Allied planes are better - so what? - it's a game about history and not "Space Battles"!).

K

Perhpaps I´ve chosen the wrong word with crush. As you´re now in mid 43 try to get more agressive. I have a stacking rule of AF size x 50 in every PBEM I have. It´s still enough. You have so many medium and heavy bombers and more than enough fighters that can reach out 5 hexes. If you haven´t lost all your carriers there should be around enough to support your operations in destroying the Japanese air arm. If Mog takes on the fight then you will lose far more planes in the first two months than he will. After that there aren´t trained pilots left (more or less [;)]).

If he doesn´t take on the fight then you will have enough targets in range of your bombers AND escorts that can be taken out by your already more than enough ground troops. Just imagine, if he abandons every base in a range of 5 of a size 4 airbase of you! Then you just have to take ONE base in New Guinea and New Guinea would be lost to him - which wouldn´t take a year. From New Guinea to the Philipines and so on... So at a given time he (or every other Japanese player) has to take on the fight and then he is screwed without pilot training (he will even be screwed with the pilot training - only a bit later).

Mog stated that WITP is designed to mirror the real time frame. I say that no one in a PBEM would stand against an experienced player until 8/45 if the Japanese doesn´t use the different training methods (disbanding daitais or not...).

I would bet my house, my car and my Ducati against every Japanese player that he can´t hold out the historical time frame in a PBEM against me if he doesn´t use pilot training. [:D] Even with pilot training it´s hard enough.

If WITP is intended to mirror the historical time frame then it´s damn bad designed - sorry. Don´t understand me wrong, I really love this game. But even pilots in the 70s in a Tojo, Tony or Jack have serious problems with the planes the Allied side can put into the air in late 43, early 44. Pilots in the 40s-50s in Tojos, Zekes or whatever is the same as if you would kill the on the ground.

[Rob Brennan UK]

Jeepers

I go away for 4 weeks and the AAR dies ! .. my fav one too <sniff>.

After spending 6+ hours catching up .. and yes it really took that long ! ( skipped the last page as flame/rules/etc was getting too much).. Nemo .. sorry to see the game end .. nuff said

[Nemo121]

Well, in that case you'll be glad to know that this one got resurrected. Just got the first turn of the "restart" from April 1st back yesterday...
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We have negotiated all the house rules. It is still a very free game but the number of grey areas are very limited. Its either allowed or clearly disallowed ( in this game much more is allowed than disallowed but at least now it is very clear)...
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On a sidenote... Saw Andrew Brown's extended map for the first time yesterday... Really wish I'd been using that all along. It looks like it would have cured this entire issue.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Well, in that case you'll be glad to know that this one got resurrected. Just got the first turn of the "restart" from April 1st back yesterday...

We have negotiated all the house rules. It is still a very free game but the number of grey areas are very limited. Its either allowed or clearly disallowed ( in this game much more is allowed than disallowed but at least now it is very clear)...

On a sidenote... Saw Andrew Brown's extended map for the first time yesterday... Really wish I'd been using that all along. It looks like it would have cured this entire issue.

Yep![:D] AB rocks! But one still has to use the 1st turn move bonus with a bit of restraint for any game to even approximate reality.[;)]

[Nemo121]

Ron,

We're playing RHS which, in many ways is closer to reality than stock BUT gives the player the freedom to verge away from the way things historically happened. We have house rules precluding invasions outside of LBA range ( defined as 21 hexes from a Level 4 airfield and 11 hexes from a sub-Level 4 Airfield ( betty and Zero range respectively) or outside of carrier-based air range ( defined as 5 hexes)and I will stick by them. It is entirely possible to invade Port Moresby on Turn 1 under these House Rules and to mount very distant invasions, just not on turn 1.



I'm simply not interested in playing "recreate almost exactly what the Japanese did". We are playing a what if scenario and if I have accepted the right of the Soviets to attack me on 1st January 1943 no matter what then you'd best be assured that in order to offset that that I'm going to try to pacify the other theatres by that time. My world view is large enough to encompass your views differing from mine on this. I hope yours can encompass views different from yours on this issue.



And with that said onto the recommencement of the AAR...



The house rules are pretty much as described above in the discussion with AndyMac... Karachi is inviolable. No offensive actions can originate in or be aimed toward karachi and any British or African troops, air units and ships which arrive in karachi can be shipped elsewhere in the game. In addition two Indian Divisions can also be shipped out. To free other Indian Divisions etc Karachi must be recaptured, defined as holding an unbroken ( no hexes fully controlled by the Japanese... contested is not sufficient to break this line of communication) line of rail and paved road hexes from a Level 4 port somewhere in India to Karachi itself. British forces moving out of Karachi will have safe passage to a horizontal line level with Bali. Once there all bets are off.



Obviously with the boost these house rules will give any defence of Australia ( something on the order of 4 to 5 Division equivalents at the present time) it will prove necessary to either take Australia quickly, neutralise the ability to transfer these forces except at great expense or simply restrict its offensive potential. While I'm still deciding which of these options to pursue I will have to do everything I can to put the Allies on the back foot in other theatres. As a result the rather conservative tactics I was employing in the Pacific will be scrapped in favour of much more aggressive moves.



I have two Independent Brigades making for Amchitka. Instead they will move forward and head for the islands to the east of Amchitka. In addition the Regiment tasked for Johnson Island will detour and make for the atoll the Allies have just begun basing troops out of.





AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/01/42

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Sub attack at 80,70

Japanese Ships
AP Tamaki Maru
PG Chitose Maru

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

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Sub attack at 80,70

Japanese Ships
AP Tamaki Maru
PG Chitose Maru

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

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ASW attack near Koepang at 28,77

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 9

Allied Ships
SS Shark

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 71
Ki-21 Sally x 24
Ki-48 Lily x 73
Ki-49 Helen x 63

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 4
I-16c x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 4 destroyed
I-16c: 6 destroyed, 5 damaged
SB-2c: 2 destroyed
IL-4c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 213

The continued wearing down of Chungking continues.

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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 84
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 5
Hurricane II x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 3 destroyed, 23 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 2 damaged
Hurricane II: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 80

At this stage of the game Colombo is still active... Once forces are freed from the Indian peninsula they will land at and liberate Colombo.

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 174

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 11 damaged


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 100

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 27


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 10

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Day Air attack on Johnston Island , at 102,74


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
TBD Devastator x 71


Allied aircraft losses
TBD Devastator: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 36

Well, well, certainly more aggressive. What looks like the full TBD complement of 5 US CVs strikes Johnston Island. Unfortunately for the Allies my Pacific CV fleet is prowling, unspotted, just 8 hexes north-eastward. Tomorrow these CVs will sprint southward into position to ambush the Allied CVs as they make their way home. If the Allies sprint more than 8 hexes next turn they will get fully away but I expect them not to sprint that much since I've been careful to stand all my Vals and Kates down ( well, actually, all my Vals and just a single Daitai of Kates... the rest of my Kates are doing duty with the Indian Invasion covering force.) and so the Allies shouldn't have any idea that my carriers are in the area. If a carrier battle comes to pass I doubt I'll be able to do any significant damage ( since, IMO, the only thing which can be relied upon to sink a ship of CA and larger size are large holese below the waterline ( the larger the better) so with a very limited torpedo-strike capability the Allied CVs should handle the Val attacks quite well. Of course, surviving is one thing, surviving without any damage and thus not being in repair yards for the next 2 months is another entirely.

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Day Air attack on 4th Tank Regiment, at 21,3


Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 12
Lysander I x 50
Mohawk IV x 12
Buffalo I x 10
Hurricane II x 69
Blenheim IF x 9
Blenheim I x 20
Blenheim IV x 19
Wellington III x 41
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 10
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 19


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 8

Hmm, Allied forces at Karachi struck my forces. I'll assume it is a mistake and ask for them to be stood down in keeping with the house rules concerning Karachi.

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Day Air attack on 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 2

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 23rd Indian Division, at 23,13

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 40

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 102,74


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 51


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hokutai Maru, Bomb hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
PG Hong Kong Maru, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 102,74


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 23
SBD Dauntless x 117


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
ML Katsuriki, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Johnston Island at 102,74


Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 33


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Takuna Maru #7, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kongo Maru, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Kinryu Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

My, my, my didn't those level bombers do very well. There was 1 hit from each level bomber committed, a far, far greater hit rate than achieved by the Dauntless divebombers. Interesting when level-bombers are more capable anti-surface units than dive-bombers.

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Day Air attack on TF, near Koepang at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Gosei Maru

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Naval bombardment of Bombay, at 20,10 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Dakota I: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa
BB Hyuga
CA Mikuma
BB Mutsu
CA Mogami
CA Kumano
CA Nachi
BB Yamashiro
CA Haguro
CA Suzuya
CA Aoba
CA Furutaka
CA Maya
BB Nagato


Allied ground losses:
416 casualties reported
Guns lost 13

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 102
Port hits 31
Port fuel hits 10
Port supply hits 8

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Sub attack at 21,47

Japanese Ships
AK Fukuyo Maru
MSW W.4

Allied Ships
SS KXVII


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Ground combat at Lucknow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1030 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 5300 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1



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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 41066 troops, 715 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 1765

Defending force 74719 troops, 68 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2186



Allied ground losses:
167 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21896 troops, 51 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5397

Defending force 158400 troops, 1060 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3603

Japanese max assault: 168 - adjusted assault: 2

Allied max defense: 3738 - adjusted defense: 19885

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
1464 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

I honestly have no idea what happened here... it would seem one of my divisions was ordered to attack Chungking all by itself. Not the best idea ever.

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Ground combat at 40,34

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 8754 troops, 5 guns, 561 vehicles, Assault Value = 302

Defending force 39193 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1052

Japanese max assault: 586 - adjusted assault: 225

Allied max defense: 851 - adjusted defense: 97

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
221 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 23

Allied ground losses:
684 casualties reported
Guns lost 9


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Bombay

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 98154 troops, 801 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 1787

Defending force 8488 troops, 25 guns, 333 vehicles, Assault Value = 115

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6

Japanese max assault: 3518 - adjusted assault: 3983

Allied max defense: 108 - adjusted defense: 337

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 6)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Bombay base !!!



Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Dakota I: 4 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
594 casualties reported
Guns lost 18
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
7097 casualties reported
Guns lost 21
Vehicles lost 206

Now THIS is important. The 7th Armoured Brigade was destroyed at Bombay ( but will be rebuilt from a cadre at Karachi) BUT 450,000 tons of supply were liberated. My supply totals are now actually over 2.5 million. This is awesome and will allow me the freedom to order major, immediate, upgrades to my engine, airframe and ship repair capabilities. AKs have been ordered to make for Bombay to collect this bounty and deliver it to the Home Islands.

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Ground combat at Karachi

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 450 troops, 0 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Defending force 74068 troops, 703 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 986

Japanese max assault: 5 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 1049 - adjusted defense: 12421

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)


Japanese ground losses:
130 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 13

This was ordered in order to get a read of the Allied units which can be freed from karachi. As you can see 1 Indian Division, 2 UK Divisions and the 7th Armoured Brigade in addition to the British Base Forces are free for redeployment to Australia and other regions.

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Ground combat at 23,47

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5342 troops, 180 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Defending force 2431 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3



Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kunming

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 31754 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 762

Defending force 8283 troops, 5 guns, 521 vehicles, Assault Value = 262

Allied max assault: 902 - adjusted assault: 534

Japanese max defense: 180 - adjusted defense: 49

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
178 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 11

Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Since my units only moved into Kunming after defeating Chinese units in the neighbouring hex this very day I can't figure out how on earth they could have gotten orders to Shock Attack me. I wasn't even there yesterday when the orders would have had to be issued.

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Ground combat at 43,31

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 34889 troops, 311 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 806

Defending force 41645 troops, 489 guns, 13 vehicles, Assault Value = 911

Allied max assault: 1596 - adjusted assault: 90

Japanese max defense: 955 - adjusted defense: 849

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
3026 casualties reported
Guns lost 86


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Ground combat at Ledo

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4186 troops, 74 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 1576 troops, 0 guns, 104 vehicles, Assault Value = 60



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Ground combat at Diamond Harbor

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1100 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 130

Defending force 13558 troops, 38 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 86

Japanese max assault: 0 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 86 - adjusted defense: 202

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)



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Ground combat at 23,9

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 8463 troops, 102 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 337

Defending force 6962 troops, 40 guns, 356 vehicles, Assault Value = 198

Japanese max assault: 532 - adjusted assault: 100

Allied max defense: 178 - adjusted defense: 169

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1038 casualties reported
Guns lost 21

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

[Nemo121]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/02/42

Well the main news today was that there was a rather furious carrier battle north-east of Johnston Island.

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Naval bombardment of Palmyra, at 106,85

Allied Ships
CL Phoenix
CL St. Louis
CL Concord
CA San Francisco
CA Minneapolis
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
CA Salt Lake City
CA Louisville
CA Chester
CA Northampton
CA Portland

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 34
Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 6

Given the results of the carrier battle this cruiser group becomes a viable target. I think I'll finish off the damaged carriers and then sprint south-east and split up into search groups ( on the assumption that rather than taking the best straight-line route to Pearl Harbour this cruiser group will be moving far east and then north once level with the easternmost Hawaiian Islands. If they sprint all the way and leave the low on fuel DDs to their fate then they will escape me. I am willing to bet, however, that the Allies won't, yet, realise the necessity to save what he can no matter the cost whenever I have a slight operational advantage.

After this I think I may mount an operation against Pearl Harbour itself with a view to catching the damaged carriers in port and lessening the Allied four-engined bomber threat to Johnston Island.

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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

TF 1019 troops unloading over beach at Palmyra, 106,85


Allied Ships
AP Rooseboom, Mine hits 5, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


Allied ground losses:
119 casualties reported

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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Palmyra (106,85)

TF 1019 troops unloading over beach at Palmyra, 106,85


Allied Ships
AP Rooseboom, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP Crescent City, Mine hits 1


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Allied ground losses:
212 casualties reported

Only 3,000 mines and yet a solid 7 mine hits occurred. This is very encouraging for the future when I will be trying to put 15,000 to 20,000 strong minefields in place at the decisive points.

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 104
Ki-21 Sally x 23
Ki-48 Lily x 66
Ki-49 Helen x 50

Allied aircraft
I-16c x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 5 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 9 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 6 destroyed
SB-2c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 46

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 172

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Runway hits 62

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 31


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 5

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Day Air attack on 7th Tank Regiment, at 22,4


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 17
Blenheim IF x 8
Blenheim I x 21
Blenheim IV x 19
Wellington III x 39
Martin 139 x 3
Beaufort V-IX x 10
P-40B Tomahawk x 8


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 7

And again the British bombers strike from Karachi. I've pointed it out again. I'm sure its just an oversight ( and a welcome one since it robs me of men and material) but we'll see what happens.

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Day Air attack on 2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 23rd Indian Division, at 23,13

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 49

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 11th Indian Air Base Force, at 24,16

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-49 Helen x 32

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

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And the carrier battle begins.

Day Air attack on TF at 103,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 91

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27
SBD Dauntless x 65

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 27 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 41 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga
BB Hiei
CV Akagi
CVL Ryujo
CS Chitose

Amazingly 28 SBDs got through to make attacks on my CV TF. 4 were shot down while the other 24 all missed.

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Day Air attack on TF at 103,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 43

Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 33

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 30 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga
CV Akagi

Only 6 SBDs got through this time. My carriers splashed 3 and the others were so rattled they all missed.

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Day Air attack on TF at 103,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 87

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD Dauntless x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 43 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga

Only 3 SBDs got through and Kaga downed one of them. So far my luck is holding. I would appear to be outnumbered by about 360 aircraft to 240 but superior experience and the massive escort losses of the first strike seem to be having a decisive effect.

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Day Air attack on TF at 103,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 87

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 8 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 14 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

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And my riposte!

Day Air attack on TF at 105,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 44
D3A Val x 71
B5N Kate x 25

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 89

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 24 destroyed
D3A Val: 12 destroyed, 17 damaged
B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 15 damaged

The Wildcats downed, fully, 24 Zeroes, 9 Vals and a Kate. The other 3 Vals and 4 Kates were destroyed during their attack runs.

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 31 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 1
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2
DD Clark, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Most of the bomb hits were on the armour belts or only did very minor damage even if they did penetrate the flight deck. All in all every Allied carrier took some damage but the only one which might have been incapable of further flight operations was Enterprise and, even in that case, it might have been able to continue flight ops.

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Day Air attack on TF at 103,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 64

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 13 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 8 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

Only 1 SBD got through and it, again, missed.

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Day Air attack on TF at 105,72

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
D3A Val x 40
B5N Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A Val: 7 destroyed, 15 damaged
B5N Kate: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 17 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CV Lexington, on fire
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 6, on fire

I counted up the serious hits ( as opposed to those which hit armour belts or destroyed weapons but did no further damage) and came up with the following:
Saratoga: 5 x seriously damaging flight deck penetrations.
Enterprise: 3 x Torpedoes.
Lexington: 2 x serious flight deck penetrations.
Hornet: 1 x torpedo.
Yorktown: 3 x serious flight deck penetrations.

So, overall, it looks like Saratoga and Enterprise are probably sufficiently damaged to prevent flight operations ( and curb their escape) while the other 3 are probably still capable of flight ops and speedy ( more than 20 knot) escape. The question now becomes exactly how much LBA am I willing to risk in order to finish off Saratago and Enterprise?


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Sub attack near Koepang at 28,77

Japanese Ships
AP Gosei Maru
PC Ch 9

Allied Ships
SS Shark


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Ground combat at Lucknow

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1030 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Defending force 5300 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese max assault: 50 - adjusted assault: 50

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 37

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1



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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 41211 troops, 716 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 1771

Defending force 74194 troops, 65 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2175



Allied ground losses:
266 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 23,47

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5372 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 54

Defending force 2360 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2



Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 45,35

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 73096 troops, 65 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 2157

Defending force 94510 troops, 1359 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1771

Allied max assault: 1607 - adjusted assault: 59

Japanese max defense: 1723 - adjusted defense: 5259

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1146 casualties reported
Guns lost 50
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
3868 casualties reported
Guns lost 10
Vehicles lost 5


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Ground combat at Ledo

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4126 troops, 74 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 1586 troops, 0 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 61



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Ground combat at Palmyra

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1800 troops, 20 guns, 5 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 6

Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Palmyra base !!!


Very, very aggressive. It looks like the Allies are attacking anywhere and everywhere they have even the slightest possibility of success. So be it. I've shored up most of these areas well enough to withstand such counter-attacks.

After thinking it over I think I will close on Pearl in order to try to kill the carriers. I will also fly a couple of Betty Daitai into Johnston in order to bolster my torpedo-attack capability. Initially I will to 8 hexes from Pearl ( outside of even twin-engined bomber range). If that is insufficient then I will move to 5 hexes from Pearl ( outside of SBD and Wildcat range). The Allies have suffered an unfortunate setback but will recover their material losses quickly. Aggressively moving in on Pearl and threatening even greater loss will, IMO, create an important and long-lasting mental impression.

[jolly_pillager]

Against the Japanese CAP the elite American Nay pilots score 4 Zeros shot down against a loss of 38 F4F's and 128 SBD's? (granted flak losses are mixed up in there...but still)
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This is the reason that I will never play a stock scenario again.[8|]
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Oh, and to avoid being called a fanboy, the kamikaze test that someone did a while back that resulted in 3000 Japanese losses for negligable damage is just as bad.

[Nemo121]

While I agree that uebercap is a problem I also feel constrained to point out that if you look at the only properly escorted Dauntless strike launched ( the 28 Wildcats escorting 65 Dauntlesses) a total of 28 Dauntless got through, representing 41% of the SBDs...

I would suggest that there is a very clear distinction between properly escorted strike packages and unescorted strike packages. Properly escorted packages can get through in very good order while improperly escorted or unescorted strikes get annihilated. This is as it should be and skews the results. If you look at what happens to properly escorted strikes the results, while still questionable, are much more reasonable than the overall numbers would suggest.

The problem in the late war lies in the fact that it is almost impossible for the Japanese to escort any strike with a suitable number and quality of fighters ( and fighter pilots) given the number and quality of American CAP fighters/pilots. If, at any stage of the war, a strike can be escorted by fighters of equal quality and, at least, half of the numbers of the opposing CAP then that strike should normally get through in relatively good order. This is as true in 1941 as it is in 1945.

E.g. I reject that it is impossible for the Allied CV fleet to stand up to the Japanese CV fleet in December 1941 with proper tactical and operational handling and appropriate shaping of the battlefield at the strategic level. In the same way I don't accept that a 1944 matchup between KB and Allied CVs is as impossible as most seem to believe. One needs to exercise a bit of strategic shaping and a good deal of operational art instead of just relying on sheer mass and overmatching of the enemy but it can be done. Of course applying the appropriate strategic shaping and operational art is difficult.

[ctangus]

Who's the new vict.., er, opponent? [;)]

[Nemo121]

Ctangus,

I'll ask if he is OK with me naming him.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/03/42

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TF 48 encounters mine field at Trimcomalee (15,25)

Japanese Ships
PG Myoken Maru

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Sub attack at 106,71

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kane

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ASW attack at 107,71

Japanese Ships
SS RO-33

Allied Ships
DD Kane

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Sub attack at 108,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-5, hits 1

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kane

3 of the 6 submarines I had waiting along the line of retreat made contact with excellent results. 2 torpedoes into Saratoga and 1 into Yorktown will help secure their demise.

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 31


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

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Day Air attack on 39th Chinese Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-15 Babs x 2

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion, at 18,56

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 44
Ki-15 Babs x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 108,70

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
D3A Val x 47
B5N Kate x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 108,70

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
D3A Val x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Malir , at 22,4


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 6


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

Another day of attacks out of Karachi [:D]. I've pointed it out again. I'm sure it is just oversight.

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Day Air attack on TF at 108,70

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A Val x 44
B5N Kate x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 15, on fire, heavy damage

Unfortunately the lack of Kates prevents any significant torpedo attacks but 31 x 250 Kg AP bombs hit Yorktown with another dozen planting themselves in Saratoga over the course of the day. By the afternoon Saratoga is confirmed to have sunk but Yorktown still remains. Good news though, Bettys from Johnston Island are on the way. Surely these 80+ Experience aircrews will seal Yorktown's doom with some well-placed torpedoes.

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Day Air attack on TF at 108,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, on fire, heavy damage
CV Saratoga, on fire, heavy damage

And no, every single one misses. This is unfortunate as it means I will have to move to within 5 hexes of Pearl Harbour itself in order to launch continued attacks tomorrow. This is running a risk as there would appear to be something on the order of 200 LBAs there but it will also present an indelible imprint on the Allied commander's mind and so serves a useful purpose.

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Ground combat at Lucknow

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1017 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Defending force 5320 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese max assault: 50 - adjusted assault: 25

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 35

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10219 troops, 307 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1726

Defending force 68907 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1751


Allied ground losses:
237 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 24,16

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 24213 troops, 281 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 501

Defending force 40 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese max assault: 466 - adjusted assault: 934

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 934 to 1


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at 23,47

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5372 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Defending force 2350 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2



Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 124917 troops, 1069 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4355

Defending force 267135 troops, 2592 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 5262


Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 2


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Ground combat at 43,38

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9209 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 293

Defending force 14773 troops, 169 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 315

Allied max assault: 251 - adjusted assault: 5

Japanese max defense: 330 - adjusted defense: 399

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
835 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

More Allied aggression against superior and dug in Japanese besiegers.

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Ground combat at Johore Bahru

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 74801 troops, 442 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 1177

Defending force 37912 troops, 112 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 498

Allied max assault: 1400 - adjusted assault: 131

Japanese max defense: 475 - adjusted defense: 1395

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
161 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
1788 casualties reported
Guns lost 88

Well it would appear that the Allied forces in Singapore have come out to play. The division I left at Johore Bahru, and the fortifications I spent some time building, prove sufficient to the task.

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Ground combat at Ledo

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4126 troops, 74 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 112

Defending force 1586 troops, 0 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

[aztez]

Your opponent really made a huge mistake by committing his US CV Fleet. It is way too early to go into offensive mode unless the situation demands it!

[Rob Brennan UK]

YAY ,, happy to have this carry on there Nemo ..

BUT all US CV's in one TF ??? no wonder the attacks were uncoordinated, i'm sort of suprised any launched at all to be honest .. way way way over stacked .. and paid the price too.

At least your opponent was honest enough not to go back and re-read the end march stuff in your AAR else he'd be no-where near there with the US CV's [;)]

[Nemo121]

Well, to be fair, I think it is never too early to take offensive action if the proper strategic and operational "shaping" can occur. As to the over-stacking, he didn't do too badly. He has about 450 planes on the 5 carriers. About 90 are Devastators so that leaves 360 to fly and fight. Of those he lost about 230 in the fighting with another 50 or so being committed but surviving. So, at maximum, only 80 planes which had the potential to be committed failed to fly and some of that 80 were probably still repairing damage or missing as a result of operations at Palmyra and Johnston Island.

Still, I don't think that Johnston was the proper place to pick this fight.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/04/42

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Naval bombardment of Colombo, at 14,24 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 destroyed
Hurricane II: 1 destroyed

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano, Shell hits 8
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 3
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
CA Maya
BB Hyuga
BB Yamashiro
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato

Allied Ships
SS Finback, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
2156 casualties reported
Guns lost 69
Vehicles lost 3

Airbase hits 39
Airbase supply hits 14
Runway hits 257
Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

Finback immediately sinks.

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Naval bombardment of Johore Bahru, at 22,49

Japanese Ships
DD Kagero
DD Akigumo
CA Chokai
CA Atago
BB Fuso


Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 108
Ki-21 Sally x 5
Ki-48 Lily x 60
Ki-49 Helen x 49

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 1
I-16c x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 2 destroyed
I-16c: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB-2c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 73

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Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
B-17C Fortress x 9
B-17E Fortress x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
H6K4 Mavis: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17C Fortress: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Runway hits 8

Very, very aggressive again. I have another 81 Zeroes ready to commit to Kendari and I think it is time to commit them.

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 32


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

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Day Air attack on 22nd Australian Brigade, at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 89
Ki-49 Helen x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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Day Air attack on 27th Australian Brigade, at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 46
Ki-49 Helen x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 44th Indian Brigade, at 23,13

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 43

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on So.Sumatra Garrison Battalion, at 18,56

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 37
Ki-15 Babs x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 11th Indian Air Base Force, at 25,16

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
Ki-49 Helen x 35

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF at 18,30

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Wildebeeste, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

It looks like there was an attempt to sneak some Allied troops out of Dacca. It also looks like this attempt failed in the face of the 9 Nells I had left behind at Trimcomalee.

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Day Air attack on TF at 111,70

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
D3A Val x 45

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Siberg, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Camphuys, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Malir , at 22,4


Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 13
Swordfish x 13


No Allied losses

Runway hits 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Canton Island at 98,99

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu
APD Manley

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Day Air attack on TF at 109,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
D3A Val x 60
B5N Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 2
P-40B Tomahawk x 2
P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
D3A Val: 11 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

And it finally sinks. That was one hell of a tough ship.

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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10298 troops, 313 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1731

Defending force 68737 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1758


Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported

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Ground combat at 23,47

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5335 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 55

Defending force 2270 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2



Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 44,30

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 62276 troops, 457 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1940

Defending force 40864 troops, 522 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 812

Allied max assault: 1942 - adjusted assault: 171

Japanese max defense: 851 - adjusted defense: 2533

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
134 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Allied ground losses:
2034 casualties reported
Guns lost 63


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 125210 troops, 1071 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4357

Defending force 267967 troops, 2601 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 5289


Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


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Ground combat at 43,31

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 28666 troops, 194 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 525

Defending force 41705 troops, 476 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 912


Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at 45,35

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 50138 troops, 30 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1750

Defending force 93167 troops, 1296 guns, 12 vehicles, Assault Value = 1731



Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


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Ground combat at Yenen

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 29336 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 833

Defending force 20770 troops, 219 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 419


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Ledo

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5663 troops, 79 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Defending force 1586 troops, 0 guns, 105 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Allied max assault: 91 - adjusted assault: 34

Japanese max defense: 57 - adjusted defense: 87

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 10

Allied ground losses:
104 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


So, in the end Saratoga and Yorktown have been sunk at no cost, except in planes and pilots and I have sufficient reserves in these areas to pay the toll for this victory. So these ships should come back at the end of August 1943, just in time for any really serious Allied offensive.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: jolly_pillager

Against the Japanese CAP the elite American Nay pilots score 4 Zeros shot down against a loss of 38 F4F's and 128 SBD's? (granted flak losses are mixed up in there...but still)

This is the reason that I will never play a stock scenario again.[8|]

Oh, and to avoid being called a fanboy, the kamikaze test that someone did a while back that resulted in 3000 Japanese losses for negligable damage is just as bad.

Can you believe that when I stated there was a uber CAP issue since UV when WITP was still in Beta I was told I was imagining things?[8|][:D]